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Coir+Manure or just coir?
    #26636250 - 04/29/20 08:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Like the title says, what's the general advice of folks now days in regards to how useful it is to add manure+coir, or to just run monotubs with plain coir? I use corn for my jars, and I've always used composted manure (store bought, I need to go find some horses) mixed with coir, but now I'm seeing a lot of people making tubs with just coir and sometimes adding gypsum and getting very solid flushes. So what's the general consensus, is it 'pointless' to add manure, or is it just as good to run monotubs with only coir (and maybe gypsum)?


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Re: Coir+Manure or just coir? [Re: Justweed]
    #26636254 - 04/29/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Coir is so simple and gives good yields. Might be that hpoo is a bit better, but you need to pasteurize and ain't nobody got time for that.


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Re: Coir+Manure or just coir? [Re: poisoned]
    #26636271 - 04/29/20 08:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Coir is so simple and gives good yields. Might be that hpoo is a bit better, but you need to pasteurize and ain't nobody got time for that.



Yea, that's my whole thing, I pasteurize my manure+coir mix (even though I've been told it's unnecessary) and so I'm wondering if I could cut out a product, plus the pasteurization, and get the same yields...Would take making tubs from a 2-3 hours long process to 30 minutes.


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Re: Coir+Manure or just coir? [Re: Justweed]
    #26636281 - 04/29/20 08:39 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hpoo definitely needs to be properly pasteurized. It can work occasionally without it I’m sure, just like cubes sometimes grow on their own outside :smile: but for consistent success it needs the proper treatment.

Cubes don’t require poo though so that’s why most people use just CVG. Since it doesn’t need proper treatment and still gives comparable yields. So yeah you can definitely cut out the manure and still do well. Most of the canopies you see are good isolates or clones or the random awesome MS grows.


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Re: Coir+Manure or just coir? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26636292 - 04/29/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Hpoo definitely needs to be properly pasteurized. It can work occasionally without it I’m sure, just like cubes sometimes grow on their own outside :smile: but for consistent success it needs the proper treatment.

Cubes don’t require poo though so that’s why most people use just CVG. Since it doesn’t need proper treatment and still gives comparable yields. So yeah you can definitely cut out the manure and still do well. Most of the canopies you see are good isolates or clones or the random awesome MS grows.



Yea, if I take the time to go find a place nearby with some horses (there's plenty I know a few...Just gotta wait for it to not rain for a few days and go out with some 5 gallon buckets) I'll definitely be following proper pasteurization methods, I think Eatyu has a good one from way back when.

I've got some jars from a 50g first flush clone going that I'm hoping to spawn in the next week or so, guess I'll try on plain coir!
What's CVG?

Also, loose coir in bags from the hydro shop, does that stuff need pasteurized at all? Or it's good to just wet down and mix with spawn into a tub?


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    #26636399 - 04/29/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It definitely needs no pasteurization, but if getting it from a hydro store make sure it doesn't have a fungicide additive. Some does. That's why most people get it at pet stores sold as reptile bedding. The go to brand here seem to be Eco Earth. It's more economical to buy it in bricks but you have to weigh it. In the 3-packs the middle brick is often smaller.


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    #26636401 - 04/29/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

CVG is coir/vermiculite/gypsum - the shroomery classic = 1 Brock coir (650g) / 2 qt verm / 1 cup gypsum.

Look up the Muda bucket. It’s a simple method I’ve used to properly pasteurize around 12qt bulk sub for every 2 buckets. Other methods work good as well especially if you’re just doing a tub or two.

And the loose coir or brick are the same. You can use cold water to hydrate and be fine but some say the hot water seems to make it work a little better. Like the myc colonized faster. Don’t know if anything definitive has come about that.


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Re: Coir+Manure or just coir? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26637098 - 04/29/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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It definitely needs no pasteurization, but if getting it from a hydro store make sure it doesn't have a fungicide additive. Some does. That's why most people get it at pet stores sold as reptile bedding. The go to brand here seem to be Eco Earth. It's more economical to buy it in bricks but you have to weigh it. In the 3-packs the middle brick is often smaller.



Yea I made sure that the bagged stuff is additive free, it says on the bag there's nothing in it either.

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CVG is coir/vermiculite/gypsum - the shroomery classic = 1 Brock coir (650g) / 2 qt verm / 1 cup gypsum.

Look up the Muda bucket. It’s a simple method I’ve used to properly pasteurize around 12qt bulk sub for every 2 buckets. Other methods work good as well especially if you’re just doing a tub or two.

And the loose coir or brick are the same. You can use cold water to hydrate and be fine but some say the hot water seems to make it work a little better. Like the myc colonized faster. Don’t know if anything definitive has come about that.



Gotchya, I'll have to check all that out, thank you! I'll end up using warm water :smile:


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Re: Coir+Manure or just coir? [Re: Justweed]
    #27086850 - 12/13/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Justweed said:
Like the title says, what's the general advice of folks now days in regards to how useful it is to add manure+coir, or to just run monotubs with plain coir? I use corn for my jars, and I've always used composted manure (store bought, I need to go find some horses) mixed with coir, but now I'm seeing a lot of people making tubs with just coir and sometimes adding gypsum and getting very solid flushes. So what's the general consensus, is it 'pointless' to add manure, or is it just as good to run monotubs with only coir (and maybe gypsum)?




a bit old post, but I hope you are still around:)
have you been experimenting more, any thoughts? Any difference in yields with and without poo?
I tried coir/verm, wasn't satisfied with amounut of fruits at the end, this time wanted to add some horse manure to the mix hm...


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