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OfflineSeriously_trippin
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Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong?
    #26635213 - 04/28/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Pretty straight forward oh, do you think that for example protesters that don't wear masks and are very close to each other calling the covid-19 pandemic a hoax is not only dangerous but extremely disrespectful to all of the dead and the Frontline workers? I've been very disheartened to see not the protest although that alone was disheartening but to call this a hoax and willingly gather in large groups with no face mask very close to each other. Can we agree this is endangered lives and has already proven to cause spikes in COVID setting our efforts to reopen backwards.

Also while we're on the subject do you believe that among the many businesses that can open safely, hair cutting, tattoos and nail salons are part of that. There's no distancing at all there and although alot of business owners are being safe and careful owners out there, there's others that dont put any safety measures or guidelines in and can become the catalyst for the second wave because it's a "hoax"?


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 1
    #26635242 - 04/28/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I agree.  Instead of calling it a hoax people should devote their energy to solving real world problems. We do need to reopen businesses. We all can’t  stay in hiding forever. We do need to be respectful of the fact that all of our actions have a very real effect on the safety of others. 3 months in and over 50k dead with reports of long lasting effects for some people even after they recover. The treatment of chronic health problems comes out of the pockets of every tax payer.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26635248 - 04/28/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Agreed.


And to your second point. No, no, and no. I do not think it's safe, and if I lived in Georgia I would not feel safe going out in public. Especially in the next 2-3 weeks, but also in general, for the foreseeable future.


My state has released reopening guidelines and it will be county by county - currently 25% of people who are tested are testing positive(in my specific area..which I gtfo'd out of because it was a bit too hot), we have to get to 3% to move to a yellow phase. Tbh I'm currently not sure what that entails, because 3% is far off. Some less populated areas(pretty much everything outside the eastern area of PA that borders NY/NJ, and even just the county that borders the counties that are on the border) will be able to reopen sooner, and imo, I'm not entirely sure how it's going to go down. I want to reopen as soon as it's safe to do so, I think parts of PA are remote enough that they'll be able to pull it off.

I don't feel safe going to even the grocery store(everything is delivered or picked up curbside at this point), I sure as shit am not driving 3 counties over to go get my nails did anytime soon. And I think many people around me feel similarly..though not everyone does, and that makes me scared for those places that will reopen.



On another note, my state is allowing things like golf courses to reopen provided they take proper sanitation measures/only allow walk ons/etc. I agree with that because I think people will ultimately be more compliant if they're allowed outdoor recreation in safe capacities.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: pirate-blues] * 3
    #26635295 - 04/28/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Cosidering there are countries who have not locked down, not shut down schools, and have more or less gone on with life, numbers are beginning to show to be similar to seasonal flu.



Here's this guy, again.

Depends on where people are getting their information.

IMHO, this is a political black flag event, manufactured to pass bills under a guise of Covid19.


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 1
    #26635303 - 04/28/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah man this stuff sucks.

I only go into nature and eat what i have stocked up.
Haven't really been anywhere public at all.

Just been going without a few things. for now anyway.

This will pass.

Kind of just learning how to be my own best friend.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #26635313 - 04/28/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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HamHead said:
Cosidering there are countries who have not locked down, not shut down schools, and have more or less gone on with life, numbers are beginning to show to be similar to seasonal flu.



Here's this guy, again.

Depends on where people are getting their information.

IMHO, this is a political black flag event, manufactured to pass bills under a guise of Covid19.






This has killed as many people as the seasonal flu kills in a year in a single month.


This is blatant disinformation, and it's dangerous.


I've already gotten warned over flaming you, and it just seems to make you grow stronger like some kind of upside down monster, so I ain't playing with you today. Nope. Not doing it.


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OfflineShiVersblood
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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26635337 - 04/28/20 08:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

On Facebook I have a lot of Facebook friends on there who make posts about saying they think the corona virus is fake. I shake my head regarding that when I see read it I really just can’t believe it sometimes it is indeed dangerous. And a little disturbing to me. I do not support people who are calling to protest the stay at home order


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: ShiVersblood]
    #26635430 - 04/28/20 09:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hella danger it’s not a good idea that will cause repercussions. Some folks are wired different tho and can’t rationalize rather simpler scenarios. Some just like to make noise. It’s human nature, no matter what you say there will be a part of the population who stands up against it you’ll never have 100% compliance to anything. It’s a survival characteristic to kick back at things you can’t comprehend yet perceive as invasive and threatening, now add a whopping of distrust in the government and you’ve got a perfect recipe for defiance. After all this death and destruction how can we believe the governments actions represent freedom?


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26635461 - 04/28/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I highly believe ducks were lined up behind curtains, and are being knocked down with each of these stimulus stuffs going on. A lot of money is/has been/being shifted on many levels, and those who have been called out are mearly scape goat's who may only receive a slap on their wrist and a fine amounting to a fraction of what was made.

Trump has spent three years of his presidency propping up stock markets. Sure, they have taken a hit, they are still above what was seen in 2016. There will be massive casualties on many levels. Companies may never recover from what is happening economically and more will close for good. Yet, there are companies and stocks which seem to be rebounding. Hell, BTC is trading around $7,700 today. 'Essential' companies that make our economy churn, and perhaps some selected for greedy, cheeto cheese covered fingers, have interest in, will see their stocks recover and maybe even higher highs.

Fear has forced people in. In that one hour video, the man being interviewed says that every virus is novel. If they weren't, we would not be infected by them, because our immune systems would have already been in contact and have developed antibodies. This is why a new flu vaccine is given, because each year it changes, on however small a level, making it new and unrecognizable by our immune systems.

He also says that herd immunity has been how humans have delt with viruses for a 100,000 years. By locking everyone down, herd immunity is slowed, extending an amount of time a virus has to live and spread. While we may have estimated 25% herd immunity today, if business would have gone on, herd immunity would probably be a lot higher and this virus could be on its way to extinction, like many others we, as homosapiens, have encountered.

To prevent deaths, elderly people and those with comorbidities must be protected, which on a massive scale, was a failure in US and perhaps other countries as well. Children and those with healthy immune systems should not be forced to shelter in place but to protect themselves and elderly during peak flu seasons. Every. Single. Year.

I don't mean to ruffle feathers, just wanting to show that there are other perspective on this matter. Ones which reference science, history and data.

People are wrong. I trust scientists and medical professionals with years experience who are willing to admit that they are or have been, before I trust those appointed by Trump.

Fear is a very powerful 'thing' to control. Those who are entranced by mainstream media may not be able to escape this wave that has washed over our planet.

While there are others who are brave enough to speak out when shit seems amiss.

The :taco:


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: HamHead]
    #26635474 - 04/28/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

oh, watching China in focus right now, she says it's one of the best times to invest in stocks as they are all at a discount and will recover once all this blows over.

Huh? Wha? I wonder?

:teareally:

Who has shit tons of money and may be in fear of losing an upcoming election???

:brainscream::slowreaction::lolsy::dafuq::shakeface::puddingpop::raisemyglass::jolly::solidnod::prettyflyforawhiteguy:


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26635683 - 04/29/20 12:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I’ve seen the effects of this virus first hand. I’ve tangoes with hamhead in a few threads over this subject. I’ve seen people sick, dying and dead from this. Outside of wanting to make sure no one diminishes that reality, I can honestly say this whole situation has been f’d from the beginning.

Could this be a black flag operation?  Hell yes.

War has become an unpopular way of controlling the masses. Maybe pandemics are the new fear factor. The majority of the world shut down over a virus? 3 months in and there is hardly any scientific consensus on what the hell we are facing.

I just saw an article today where the Japanese are claiming this virus is airborne. Airborne is the worst and most serious form of contagion. It would basically mean all of the masks that everyone is wearing are doing nothing. Airborne viruses can hang out in the air for two hours after a person leaves a room.

How is it that China has known about this since at least January and they have not determined if its airborne or not..?...not to mention the rest of the worldwide scientific community.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: FrancoAmerican] * 1
    #26635693 - 04/29/20 12:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Its airborn. Viruses are inconceivabley small. Dust visible to the naked eye in the right light floats and blows around like no tomorrow. This virus will do the same if not better,


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26635696 - 04/29/20 12:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yall see that antibody study that suggests over 2.4 million were infected and recovered in NY? Without realizing they were even ever sick. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/cuomo-outlines-reopening-roadmap-for-new-york-as-daily-deaths-hit-lowest-level-in-weeks/2390949/


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26635734 - 04/29/20 12:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

No I don't agree
one minute its the black plagues coming
next thing my neighbour now hqas it who i share a house with
and everyones saying dw about it its not bad :wtf:

Whole things a hoax IM for the gov to take more power fromk people and SCARE evryone into doing wutever they want
which appears to be a global electronic tracking and vaccine compliance system just to start with...

It does seem to be all hype to me - thats the hallmark of a hoax.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 1
    #26635765 - 04/29/20 01:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think it's WAY more dangerous for the government to constantly show its ineptitude via conflicting information, causing an eventual "cries wolf" scenario where nobody is going to actually listen should there be a serious threat with numbers that back up the claims (unlike what we're seeing now).

This is way less of a threat than we were told. Doesn't mean it's not dangerous. The media and health officials convinced us this was an 11/10 danger scenario, when in reality it's a tad more dangerous than the seasonal flu.

It can still be dangerous and not be catastrophic. Conflating the two is what the media hopes people do because that keeps ratings high, and they're the only ones getting paid right now....

...JUST MY :twocents: not looking to convince anyone of anything.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 2
    #26635827 - 04/29/20 02:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Which is more deadly. the virus or 9 million people losing health insurance coverage by the shut downs, and their jobs etc.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26635829 - 04/29/20 02:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I get some weird :tinfoil: feelings about all this...


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26635830 - 04/29/20 02:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i've lost so much respect for so many people for buying into this fucking bullshit

my general view of people as a whole has been refined quite a bit over the past month


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26635836 - 04/29/20 02:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

budmanman said:
Which is more deadly. the virus or 9 million people losing health insurance coverage by the shut downs, and their jobs etc.




Unless something changes in the course of things regarding how people are going to get by, there is a shit storm coming


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26635837 - 04/29/20 02:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm learning to have faith that things will be okay. We will get through whatever the fuck *flails arms in every fucking direction* THIS shit is. Nobody knows what the hell is happening man its getting fuckin wonky and fast. We in this.  :levitate:


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: StonedLumbr] * 1
    #26635840 - 04/29/20 02:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

No you're not suppose to think it will be ok, you need to panic and submit to the gobment, the WHO says no evidence of immunity after recovery yet, just ignore all the nursing homes were 100% of the employee's catch the virus and then 100% recover and are not endlessly re infecting everyone, be scared forever and submit.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26635848 - 04/29/20 02:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

All the panic is so easily shown to based in nothing but media (including social media) generated fear and people's willingness to totally buy into said fear that its feeling pointless to even try to communicate critical viewpoints

if people were actually open to said, rational views, they can easily find them

but people are out of their minds & this scenario plays into the kinds of fantasies people have held for years nows


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: pixelpopper] * 1
    #26635855 - 04/29/20 02:25 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Feels Like I’ve been duped :dontdothat:


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26635859 - 04/29/20 02:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

This link here is to the full interview with real doctors taken by a real news agency. The interview has been banned from youtube, these doctors estimate the death rate is lower than the flu and infection rate is far higher than we thought.

https://www.facebook.com/KGET17News/videos/537566680274166/

This youtube link is an edited version of the over hour long interview.



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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: HamHead]
    #26635893 - 04/29/20 03:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

HamHead said:
I highly believe ducks were lined up behind curtains, and are being knocked down with each of these stimulus stuffs going on. A lot of money is/has been/being shifted on many levels, and those who have been called out are mearly scape goat's who may only receive a slap on their wrist and a fine amounting to a fraction of what was made.

Trump has spent three years of his presidency propping up stock markets. Sure, they have taken a hit, they are still above what was seen in 2016. There will be massive casualties on many levels. Companies may never recover from what is happening economically and more will close for good. Yet, there are companies and stocks which seem to be rebounding. Hell, BTC is trading around $7,700 today. 'Essential' companies that make our economy churn, and perhaps some selected for greedy, cheeto cheese covered fingers, have interest in, will see their stocks recover and maybe even higher highs.

Fear has forced people in. In that one hour video, the man being interviewed says that every virus is novel. If they weren't, we would not be infected by them, because our immune systems would have already been in contact and have developed antibodies. This is why a new flu vaccine is given, because each year it changes, on however small a level, making it new and unrecognizable by our immune systems.

He also says that herd immunity has been how humans have delt with viruses for a 100,000 years. By locking everyone down, herd immunity is slowed, extending an amount of time a virus has to live and spread. While we may have estimated 25% herd immunity today, if business would have gone on, herd immunity would probably be a lot higher and this virus could be on its way to extinction, like many others we, as homosapiens, have encountered.

To prevent deaths, elderly people and those with comorbidities must be protected, which on a massive scale, was a failure in US and perhaps other countries as well. Children and those with healthy immune systems should not be forced to shelter in place but to protect themselves and elderly during peak flu seasons. Every. Single. Year.

I don't mean to ruffle feathers, just wanting to show that there are other perspective on this matter. Ones which reference science, history and data.

People are wrong. I trust scientists and medical professionals with years experience who are willing to admit that they are or have been, before I trust those appointed by Trump.

Fear is a very powerful 'thing' to control. Those who are entranced by mainstream media may not be able to escape this wave that has washed over our planet.

While there are others who are brave enough to speak out when shit seems amiss.

The :taco:



Most scientists have said the opposite of almost everything you say that was the whole point of the thread is people can buy into this and kill people around them from being dumb as a rock. You know the countries that had their economy open also had? Testing enough to get their economy back on track we in the United States have tested about one and a half percent of the entire population. Fauci,birx and every other highly regarded scientists says your wrong and a basic Google search or two would prove you wrong about the seasonal flu being worse.Sure there's tv Drs like Dr phil and Oz saying the same things but they both had to apologize because medical communities everywhere called bull shit. COVID is more deadly and infectious and this whole threads point is you are spreading LIES that are dangerous when you say shit like this and people who actually sacrifice for their neighbor and country are getting fed up with people ignoring science during the worst pandemic in over 100 years. Guess what TONS of people with no underlying conditions that are very young get this. That's science that's not debatable. It's not debatable that in 7 months between 2019-2020 the cdc said the flu killed 60k. With COVID JUST in the US in 3-4 months (if you're bad at math half the time) we are currently sitting at 58 thousand and spiking. Frankly I don't give a flying fuck if you "need a haircut"

Herd immunity with COVID19 is also bullshit conservatives want to push for their agenda of opening despite the losses and eventual set back economically even further then we are now. There's ample evidence that getting COVID doesn't protect you from getting it again or worse the second time. Herd immunity my ass.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: ShiVersblood]
    #26635895 - 04/29/20 03:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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On Facebook I have a lot of Facebook friends on there who make posts about saying they think the corona virus is fake. I shake my head regarding that when I see read it I really just can’t believe it sometimes it is indeed dangerous. And a little disturbing to me. I do not support people who are calling to protest the stay at home order



It's very concerning for the country as a whole, for what my friends have allowed themselves to believe and it's disturbing as fuck that people are thinking that way period.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26635899 - 04/29/20 03:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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HamHead said:
I highly believe ducks were lined up behind curtains, and are being knocked down with each of these stimulus stuffs going on. A lot of money is/has been/being shifted on many levels, and those who have been called out are mearly scape goat's who may only receive a slap on their wrist and a fine amounting to a fraction of what was made.

Trump has spent three years of his presidency propping up stock markets. Sure, they have taken a hit, they are still above what was seen in 2016. There will be massive casualties on many levels. Companies may never recover from what is happening economically and more will close for good. Yet, there are companies and stocks which seem to be rebounding. Hell, BTC is trading around $7,700 today. 'Essential' companies that make our economy churn, and perhaps some selected for greedy, cheeto cheese covered fingers, have interest in, will see their stocks recover and maybe even higher highs.

Fear has forced people in. In that one hour video, the man being interviewed says that every virus is novel. If they weren't, we would not be infected by them, because our immune systems would have already been in contact and have developed antibodies. This is why a new flu vaccine is given, because each year it changes, on however small a level, making it new and unrecognizable by our immune systems.

He also says that herd immunity has been how humans have delt with viruses for a 100,000 years. By locking everyone down, herd immunity is slowed, extending an amount of time a virus has to live and spread. While we may have estimated 25% herd immunity today, if business would have gone on, herd immunity would probably be a lot higher and this virus could be on its way to extinction, like many others we, as homosapiens, have encountered.

To prevent deaths, elderly people and those with comorbidities must be protected, which on a massive scale, was a failure in US and perhaps other countries as well. Children and those with healthy immune systems should not be forced to shelter in place but to protect themselves and elderly during peak flu seasons. Every. Single. Year.

I don't mean to ruffle feathers, just wanting to show that there are other perspective on this matter. Ones which reference science, history and data.

People are wrong. I trust scientists and medical professionals with years experience who are willing to admit that they are or have been, before I trust those appointed by Trump.

Fear is a very powerful 'thing' to control. Those who are entranced by mainstream media may not be able to escape this wave that has washed over our planet.

While there are others who are brave enough to speak out when shit seems amiss.

The :taco:



Most scientists have said the opposite of almost everything you say that was the whole point of the thread is people can buy into this and kill people around them from being dumb as a rock. You know the countries that had their economy open also had? Testing enough to get their economy back on track we in the United States have tested about one and a half percent of the entire population. Fauci,birx and every other highly regarded scientists says your wrong and a basic Google search or two would prove you wrong about the seasonal flu being worse.Sure there's tv Drs like Dr phil and Oz saying the same things but they both had to apologize because medical communities everywhere called bull shit. COVID is more deadly and infectious and this whole threads point is you are spreading LIES that are dangerous when you say shit like this and people who actually sacrifice for their neighbor and country are getting fed up with people ignoring science during the worst pandemic in over 100 years. Guess what TONS of people with no underlying conditions that are very young get this. That's science that's not debatable. It's not debatable that in 7 months between 2019-2020 the cdc said the flu killed 60k. With COVID JUST in the US in 3-4 months (if you're bad at math half the time) we are currently sitting at 58 thousand and spiking. Frankly I don't give a flying fuck if you "need a haircut"

Herd immunity with COVID19 is also bullshit conservatives want to push for their agenda of opening despite the losses and eventual set back economically even further then we are now. There's ample evidence that getting COVID doesn't protect you from getting it again or worse the second time. Herd immunity my ass.




Lmao immunity after catching a virus is literally basic virology, I had this stupid virus and am in the research study helping them find out how long immunity lasts. Flu has herd immunity, via people catching it and getting better and vaccinations. Despite herd immunity it still kills a decent amount of people.

Covid 19 is new, we have no natural defense against it yet as anyone who catches it is hosting this virus for the first time as a human being.

This virus will also do the same thing as the flu in the end and likely become just a common cold. Corona viruses are normally just common colds, you know that right?


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26635904 - 04/29/20 03:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26635909 - 04/29/20 03:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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No you're not suppose to think it will be ok, you need to panic and submit to the gobment, the WHO says no evidence of immunity after recovery yet, just ignore all the nursing homes were 100% of the employee's catch the virus and then 100% recover and are not endlessly re infecting everyone, be scared forever and submit.



So you're saying the only two options is to panic and think the end is here or rush into opening everything and calling a 58 thousand dead in the US pandemic a hoax?
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I highly believe ducks were lined up behind curtains, and are being knocked down with each of these stimulus stuffs going on. A lot of money is/has been/being shifted on many levels, and those who have been called out are mearly scape goat's who may only receive a slap on their wrist and a fine amounting to a fraction of what was made.

Trump has spent three years of his presidency propping up stock markets. Sure, they have taken a hit, they are still above what was seen in 2016. There will be massive casualties on many levels. Companies may never recover from what is happening economically and more will close for good. Yet, there are companies and stocks which seem to be rebounding. Hell, BTC is trading around $7,700 today. 'Essential' companies that make our economy churn, and perhaps some selected for greedy, cheeto cheese covered fingers, have interest in, will see their stocks recover and maybe even higher highs.

Fear has forced people in. In that one hour video, the man being interviewed says that every virus is novel. If they weren't, we would not be infected by them, because our immune systems would have already been in contact and have developed antibodies. This is why a new flu vaccine is given, because each year it changes, on however small a level, making it new and unrecognizable by our immune systems.

He also says that herd immunity has been how humans have delt with viruses for a 100,000 years. By locking everyone down, herd immunity is slowed, extending an amount of time a virus has to live and spread. While we may have estimated 25% herd immunity today, if business would have gone on, herd immunity would probably be a lot higher and this virus could be on its way to extinction, like many others we, as homosapiens, have encountered.

To prevent deaths, elderly people and those with comorbidities must be protected, which on a massive scale, was a failure in US and perhaps other countries as well. Children and those with healthy immune systems should not be forced to shelter in place but to protect themselves and elderly during peak flu seasons. Every. Single. Year.

I don't mean to ruffle feathers, just wanting to show that there are other perspective on this matter. Ones which reference science, history and data.

People are wrong. I trust scientists and medical professionals with years experience who are willing to admit that they are or have been, before I trust those appointed by Trump.

Fear is a very powerful 'thing' to control. Those who are entranced by mainstream media may not be able to escape this wave that has washed over our planet.

While there are others who are brave enough to speak out when shit seems amiss.

The :taco:



Most scientists have said the opposite of almost everything you say that was the whole point of the thread is people can buy into this and kill people around them from being dumb as a rock. You know the countries that had their economy open also had? Testing enough to get their economy back on track we in the United States have tested about one and a half percent of the entire population. Fauci,birx and every other highly regarded scientists says your wrong and a basic Google search or two would prove you wrong about the seasonal flu being worse.Sure there's tv Drs like Dr phil and Oz saying the same things but they both had to apologize because medical communities everywhere called bull shit. COVID is more deadly and infectious and this whole threads point is you are spreading LIES that are dangerous when you say shit like this and people who actually sacrifice for their neighbor and country are getting fed up with people ignoring science during the worst pandemic in over 100 years. Guess what TONS of people with no underlying conditions that are very young get this. That's science that's not debatable. It's not debatable that in 7 months between 2019-2020 the cdc said the flu killed 60k. With COVID JUST in the US in 3-4 months (if you're bad at math half the time) we are currently sitting at 58 thousand and spiking. Frankly I don't give a flying fuck if you "need a haircut"

Herd immunity with COVID19 is also bullshit conservatives want to push for their agenda of opening despite the losses and eventual set back economically even further then we are now. There's ample evidence that getting COVID doesn't protect you from getting it again or worse the second time. Herd immunity my ass.




Lmao immunity after catching a virus is literally basic virology, I had this stupid virus and am in the research study helping them find out how long immunity lasts. Flu has herd immunity, via people catching it and getting better and vaccinations. Despite herd immunity it still kills a decent amount of people.

Covid 19 is new, we have no natural defense against it yet as anyone who catches it is hosting this virus for the first time as a human being.

This virus will also do the same thing as the flu in the end and likely become just a common cold. Corona viruses are normally just common colds, you know that right?



The best experts in the world thought it'd act like other viruses when it came to immunity but there are confirmed reinfected people all over the world right now that's just not debatable that they are examining why this is. The kind of herd immunity your talking about takes place over hundreds of years. In the mean time because you're apparently smarter the most highly acclaimed infectious disease experts in the world and you saw one video that makes your point look good your willing to tell people to get their lives on your crap info.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26635913 - 04/29/20 03:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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No you're not suppose to think it will be ok, you need to panic and submit to the gobment, the WHO says no evidence of immunity after recovery yet, just ignore all the nursing homes were 100% of the employee's catch the virus and then 100% recover and are not endlessly re infecting everyone, be scared forever and submit.



So you're saying the only two options is to panic and think the end is here or rush into opening everything and calling a 58 thousand dead in the US pandemic a hoax?
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I highly believe ducks were lined up behind curtains, and are being knocked down with each of these stimulus stuffs going on. A lot of money is/has been/being shifted on many levels, and those who have been called out are mearly scape goat's who may only receive a slap on their wrist and a fine amounting to a fraction of what was made.

Trump has spent three years of his presidency propping up stock markets. Sure, they have taken a hit, they are still above what was seen in 2016. There will be massive casualties on many levels. Companies may never recover from what is happening economically and more will close for good. Yet, there are companies and stocks which seem to be rebounding. Hell, BTC is trading around $7,700 today. 'Essential' companies that make our economy churn, and perhaps some selected for greedy, cheeto cheese covered fingers, have interest in, will see their stocks recover and maybe even higher highs.

Fear has forced people in. In that one hour video, the man being interviewed says that every virus is novel. If they weren't, we would not be infected by them, because our immune systems would have already been in contact and have developed antibodies. This is why a new flu vaccine is given, because each year it changes, on however small a level, making it new and unrecognizable by our immune systems.

He also says that herd immunity has been how humans have delt with viruses for a 100,000 years. By locking everyone down, herd immunity is slowed, extending an amount of time a virus has to live and spread. While we may have estimated 25% herd immunity today, if business would have gone on, herd immunity would probably be a lot higher and this virus could be on its way to extinction, like many others we, as homosapiens, have encountered.

To prevent deaths, elderly people and those with comorbidities must be protected, which on a massive scale, was a failure in US and perhaps other countries as well. Children and those with healthy immune systems should not be forced to shelter in place but to protect themselves and elderly during peak flu seasons. Every. Single. Year.

I don't mean to ruffle feathers, just wanting to show that there are other perspective on this matter. Ones which reference science, history and data.

People are wrong. I trust scientists and medical professionals with years experience who are willing to admit that they are or have been, before I trust those appointed by Trump.

Fear is a very powerful 'thing' to control. Those who are entranced by mainstream media may not be able to escape this wave that has washed over our planet.

While there are others who are brave enough to speak out when shit seems amiss.

The :taco:



Most scientists have said the opposite of almost everything you say that was the whole point of the thread is people can buy into this and kill people around them from being dumb as a rock. You know the countries that had their economy open also had? Testing enough to get their economy back on track we in the United States have tested about one and a half percent of the entire population. Fauci,birx and every other highly regarded scientists says your wrong and a basic Google search or two would prove you wrong about the seasonal flu being worse.Sure there's tv Drs like Dr phil and Oz saying the same things but they both had to apologize because medical communities everywhere called bull shit. COVID is more deadly and infectious and this whole threads point is you are spreading LIES that are dangerous when you say shit like this and people who actually sacrifice for their neighbor and country are getting fed up with people ignoring science during the worst pandemic in over 100 years. Guess what TONS of people with no underlying conditions that are very young get this. That's science that's not debatable. It's not debatable that in 7 months between 2019-2020 the cdc said the flu killed 60k. With COVID JUST in the US in 3-4 months (if you're bad at math half the time) we are currently sitting at 58 thousand and spiking. Frankly I don't give a flying fuck if you "need a haircut"

Herd immunity with COVID19 is also bullshit conservatives want to push for their agenda of opening despite the losses and eventual set back economically even further then we are now. There's ample evidence that getting COVID doesn't protect you from getting it again or worse the second time. Herd immunity my ass.




Lmao immunity after catching a virus is literally basic virology, I had this stupid virus and am in the research study helping them find out how long immunity lasts. Flu has herd immunity, via people catching it and getting better and vaccinations. Despite herd immunity it still kills a decent amount of people.

Covid 19 is new, we have no natural defense against it yet as anyone who catches it is hosting this virus for the first time as a human being.

This virus will also do the same thing as the flu in the end and likely become just a common cold. Corona viruses are normally just common colds, you know that right?



The best experts in the world thought it'd act like other viruses when it came to immunity but there are confirmed reinfected people all over the world right now that's just not debatable that they are examining why this is. The kind of herd immunity your talking about takes place over hundreds of years. In the mean time because you're apparently smarter the most highly acclaimed infectious disease experts in the world and you saw one video that makes your point look good your willing to tell people to get their lives on your crap info.




The're not reinfected, likely false negative and were still infected and fighting the virus all along. false negatives are a thing you know,

Did you know they have re tested negative test samples and the results came back positive? derp


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26635916 - 04/29/20 03:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)



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    #26635920 - 04/29/20 03:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I also got to add, hundreds of years for herd immunity? lol that is stupid, when you get sick you produce anti bodies to beat the virus, after you get better get this, your body keeps producing them for a length of time, depending on the virus it can be months to years and even when your body isn't really producing much anti bodies, the next time a similar virus enters your system your body can recognize it faster and start creating those anti bodies again. That's just how the basics of the immune system work.

Here is another article about false negatives.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86047


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26635924 - 04/29/20 03:30 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Check this out, people who catch ebola are still immune after 40 years.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-017-08664-w

Can't believe on a website where everyone is literally disobeying the government every day, a relatively mild virus literally has them groveling and wanting the government to strip them of their rights. Quite amazing really, some real MK Ultra type shit.



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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26635932 - 04/29/20 03:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

https://nypost.com/2020/04/19/179-recovered-south-korean-coronavirus-patients-tested-positive-again/


179 recovered South Korean patients test positive again.


WHO: 'No Evidence' That COVID-19 Antibodies Protect From Potential Re-infection

https://time.com/5827450/who-coronavirus-antibodies-reinfection/

Again I'm not saying it's the end of the world or to live in fear. There's a sensible real path to opening the economy.  I'm saying don't be a thoughtless oaf of a human that doesn't have the decency to honor about 60k of their fellow Americans that just died and the people who are next by not calling it a fucking hoax and not wearing a face covering in a crowded protest. You're a piece of crap in the eyes of doctors in emergency rooms and everyday people that don't want to see their loved ones dead.
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I also got to add, hundreds of years for herd immunity? lol that is stupid, when you get sick you produce anti bodies to beat the virus, after you get better get this, your body keeps producing them for a length of time, depending on the virus it can be months to years and even when your body isn't really producing much anti bodies, the next time a similar virus enters your system your body can recognize it faster and start creating those anti bodies again. That's just how the basics of the immune system work.

Here is another article about false negatives.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86047



Yeah that's exactly how we beat polio or the Spanish flu,or malaria alright :facepalm: don't act like all disease is the same.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26635935 - 04/29/20 03:41 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you for being a voice of reason budmanman.  This shits looking way more hyped than it really is.

I didn’t say it was benign.  Just that it’s way overhyped.  I still wear a mask when I go out, in case I’m wrong in the long run - but also  because I look sexy in it.  Yeah, The claims about not getting immunity are :rolleyes:  People make the mistake of reading a study that had shit methodology practiced- people infected by covid , after the acute phase are in a period of convalescence .. they still are recovering.  If they make it out of that, they’re fine again, and have anti bodies built up.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26635936 - 04/29/20 03:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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https://nypost.com/2020/04/19/179-recovered-south-korean-coronavirus-patients-tested-positive-again/


179 recovered South Korean patients test positive again.


WHO: 'No Evidence' That COVID-19 Antibodies Protect From Potential Re-infection

https://time.com/5827450/who-coronavirus-antibodies-reinfection/

Again I'm not saying it's the end of the world or to live in fear. There's a sensible real path to opening the economy.  I'm saying don't be a thoughtless oaf of a human that doesn't have the decency to honor about 60k of their fellow Americans that just died and the people who are next by not calling it a fucking hoax and not wearing a face covering in a crowded protest. You're a piece of crap in the eyes of doctors in emergency rooms and everyday people that don't want to see their loved ones dead.
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I also got to add, hundreds of years for herd immunity? lol that is stupid, when you get sick you produce anti bodies to beat the virus, after you get better get this, your body keeps producing them for a length of time, depending on the virus it can be months to years and even when your body isn't really producing much anti bodies, the next time a similar virus enters your system your body can recognize it faster and start creating those anti bodies again. That's just how the basics of the immune system work.

Here is another article about false negatives.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86047



Yeah that's exactly how we beat polio or the Spanish flu,or malaria alright :facepalm: don't act like all disease is the same.




“With regards to recovery and then reinfection, I believe we do not have the answers to that. That is an unknown,” said Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of WHO’s emergencies program."

^thats what who says, you know why its unknown? Because no one fucking has been tested for anti bodies a year or 2 after having the fucking virus lmao,

You know why? Because its fucking new. You can't see if someone is still immune in 2 years for a virus that is under 6 months old. Keep feeding into the sensationalism.

The who has had to follow up on this and eat their own words already.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26635938 - 04/29/20 03:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Seriously_trippin said:
https://nypost.com/2020/04/19/179-recovered-south-korean-coronavirus-patients-tested-positive-again/


179 recovered South Korean patients test positive again.


WHO: 'No Evidence' That COVID-19 Antibodies Protect From Potential Re-infection

https://time.com/5827450/who-coronavirus-antibodies-reinfection/

Again I'm not saying it's the end of the world or to live in fear. There's a sensible real path to opening the economy.  I'm saying don't be a thoughtless oaf of a human that doesn't have the decency to honor about 60k of their fellow Americans that just died and the people who are next by not calling it a fucking hoax and not wearing a face covering in a crowded protest. You're a piece of crap in the eyes of doctors in emergency rooms and everyday people that don't want to see their loved ones dead.
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I also got to add, hundreds of years for herd immunity? lol that is stupid, when you get sick you produce anti bodies to beat the virus, after you get better get this, your body keeps producing them for a length of time, depending on the virus it can be months to years and even when your body isn't really producing much anti bodies, the next time a similar virus enters your system your body can recognize it faster and start creating those anti bodies again. That's just how the basics of the immune system work.

Here is another article about false negatives.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86047



Yeah that's exactly how we beat polio or the Spanish flu,or malaria alright :facepalm: don't act like all disease is the same.





H1N1 Spanish flu had an outbreak when Obama was president, .01% death rate, you know why? Cause it wasn't NOVEL any more it is old news our body recognized it and now its a minor flu get an education.


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    #26635941 - 04/29/20 03:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Don’t even joke about comparing it to malaria or polio, that’s insane,

I’m all for hygiene and a mask and good measures to stay safe, but the idiotic reactions to the fear mongering are way out of proportion.

Low CFR overall - world stats - for a pandemic.    But people dying to this thing are mostly people who died because of their comorbidities.

Fat, smokers, high bP, elederly, etc etc aka unhealthy in general .  They die because of their overall health, not because covid suddenly hit them and took out a healthy individual.  This is like people who want to take psychedelics but avoid a bad trip -  there’s always a reckoning,
Trying to live consequence free while living out of balance also has a reckoning, covid May be one of them, but there’s a gajillion more too.

To shut down the majority of the economy for a virus that doesn’t even kill 1% of the population seems insane.

Crazy unemployment rates right now, and god knows what’s happening as all the focus is on trumpdy dumpy and the virus.

Not saying it isn’t concerning (5he virus) , or that measures shouldn’t be taken, just that the ones taken nationally are a shit show


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    #26635946 - 04/29/20 03:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Don’t even joke about comparing it to malaria or polio, that’s insane,

I’m all for hygiene and a mask and good measures to stay safe, but the idiotic reactions to the fear mongering are way out of proportion.

Low CFR overall - world stats - for a pandemic.    But people dying to this thing are mostly people who died because of their comorbidities.

Fat, smokers, high bP, elederly, etc etc

To shut down the economy for a virus that doesn’t even kill 1% of the population seems insane.





Everyone at my Wifes work caught the virus, only 1 employee got really sick, she was diabetic and obese, it lead to her having a heart attack and then a ventilator, all the other employees barely even got sick, just like us.

However the elderly at the old folks home took quite a few deaths, but all those people were near the end of their life already, the virus just pushed them over the edge a bit early, its unfortunate but happens all the time, 25 people died in 3 weeks, 15 were diagnosed with corona virus 10 tested negative but they all died of pneumonia. But they were all well beyond 70 years old I think most were over 80 some were over 90. 100% of the old folks caught it, 15 of the 69 residents died of Corona and 10 died of general common pneumonia, unless you want to assume those 10 people had false negative tests no one can really know. Its deadly for people over 65, 60 and under survive rate is very high.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26635947 - 04/29/20 03:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4612842/

"Pneumonia in the elderly happens fast and the prognosis is poor, and elderly are susceptible to severe Pneumonia. The mortality rate for severe pneumonia is as high as 20% [4]. The principal cause of the death is respiratory insufficiency [5].Aug 15, 2015"

Old people are vulnerable to pneumonia. That's just the way it be. They die of pneumonia all the time even before covid19. Death sucks we all die.


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    #26635948 - 04/29/20 03:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I know , but to have blanket measures knowing that is what’s insane.

I’m following all guidelines from the CDC, don’t get me wrong, I’m not calling it a hoax at all,not at all .  Neither am I saying it isn’t potentially dangerous to a select portion of the population.  Just that it’s a very select portion, and measures should be directed at them - not blanketed in everyone everywhere.  That’s a major face palm.  It’s like we had a 22 yr old pot head and trying to figure out a solution to the mess.:wink:

Just the response and measures put in place are literally insane if you think about it rationally.


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    #26635962 - 04/29/20 04:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I still wear a mask when I go out, in case I’m wrong in the long run quote]

That's all people are asking don't say it's not real and wear a fucking mask and keep distance past that I don't care what you believe. Even if I saw protests that had masks and distancing and no hoax signs id be incredibly supportive. Protesters in Israel did just that.
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Don’t even joke about comparing it to malaria or polio, that’s insane,

I’m all for hygiene and a mask and good measures to stay safe, but the idiotic reactions to the fear mongering are way out of proportion.

Low CFR overall - world stats - for a pandemic.    But people dying to this thing are mostly people who died because of their comorbidities.

Fat, smokers, high bP, elederly, etc etc

To shut down the economy for a virus that doesn’t even kill 1% of the population seems insane.



Dont joke about comparing it to the flu then or H1N1 that's insane. These states were on board before Trump tweeted to liberate after one place protests. I'm sure that's a coincidence.

Like I said first wear a mask, keep distance, don't get in big groups and I really don't give a shit what you do think or feel.  Again there's a way for us to get back to work soon but take initiative to make a safe workplace, cut the hoax bullshit out, work on contact tracing and testing like the only successful open economies in the world.  I'm glad you wear a mask but there's people In this thread saying that, that's not a real thing and the whole thing is a scam. If your wrong about this the stakes are so so much worse then if I'm wrong but have fun with the family members and loved ones getting sick or dying if you're wrong.


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    #26635964 - 04/29/20 04:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That’s a little confusing :grin:.  I get your point, for sure.  But this isn’t polio, and our gov failed us with the shitty response now in place.  It’ll end up doing as much damage itself as the virus in the long term,  it’s such a shitshow , this whole thing. 

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    #26635973 - 04/29/20 04:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Wearing a mask likely doesn't protect you unless its one of those really nice ones. What it does is helps prevent people who have it from spreading it, catches their spit particles and can catch a large load of ex-hailed airborn viruses, and if this virus is airborne, which it most likely is, since cells, 40,000 cells can fit on the head of a pin, hundreds of thousands or even millions, maybe even billions of viruses can fit in a cell, think of watching dust in rays of sun light, they float all over and are visible to the naked eye, viruses are much smaller, but wearing a mask won't do much for you, as it will just flow around it right into your throat and lungs.

When I had the virus, which I was able to catch early by taking daily temperature readings when I found out about the virus being in my and having a high chance of eventually being exposed, once my temperatures raised, I wore a medical mask, which I was given when I went to the DR to be tested, I stayed mostly in my room with my wife, we wore our masks and anytime we left the room to go to the kitchen etc we would wash our hands.

No one else in my household caught the virus with this method.

Shutting the parks down, doesn't do anything, shutting fishing down, doesn't do anything, shutting workplaces down, doesn't do anything. This just delays the eventual spread, its called flattening the curve, prevents hospitals from getting overwhelmed, the total number of people who will catch it doesn't change, just the speed of which those people will catch it changes.

The real way to fight it, is give everyone a thermometer and everyone co operate and heavily self monitor and once you know you have it quarantine yourself,

Quarantining healthy people doesn't do much most won't actually quarantine anyway and will socialize in closed environments since you didn't let them go to the beach, or the park lmao. The approach to this was so fucking stupid.

I should also add that people will never co operate at an effective level so there is no real solution and anything the government does will do more harm than good.


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    #26635975 - 04/29/20 04:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The biggest problem is that we just.don't.know. how dangerous it is.


There are people that say we're massively undercounting deaths(and considering we're not doing post mortem testing, some areas are only counting hospital deaths, and people are dying at home in much much greater numbers than usual) - there are people saying that the CFR is much lower because there are more positive cases than thought - and this is also a valid point that is probably true. But the fact of the matter is that no one really has any idea yet.


NYC is the epicenter. 25% of the population has tested positive for antibodies which is a vastly larger number than the rest of the states, the rest of NY and the rest of NJ. 1 in 2 people now know someone who's died due to this. But we still have no fucking clue - the error rate for tests is high. The antibody tests are not known to be a solid thing yet. We don't even fully understand how to treat it.

The point is that without any common denominator for how many people have actually gotten this. Even if it's many magnitudes more than we think(10 to 12x) which is debateable, that's still like 4-6% of the country.


We have a lot of old, fat, diabetic people. We have a lot of people with pre-existing conditions - a lot of young people with autoimmune issues, cancer survivors, t1 diabetes. Even though they contribute as much to society as anyone else, have everything to look forward to..just fuck em, they had pre-existing conditions? That's so fucking cold and callous.


Even so, from a pragmatic standpoint, it doesn't matter - because if everyone gets sick at once then hospital systems collapse. The rural areas? Without a subway system to seed infections? Well they also have fuck all resources compared to the big cities, and their hospitals are already struggling.


It is arrogant to assume that this is nothing that will blow over when it's already brought a fairly healthy(compared to the rest of the US) city with world class health care and doctors to it's knees.

If we cripple our hospital system, it doesn't fucking matter if it's only 1-2x more deadly than the seasonal flu, because more people will die than they would ordinarily from it. From both COVID, and for all sorts of reasons.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26635981 - 04/29/20 04:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

During 1951-1954, an average of 16,316 paralytic polio cases and 1879 deaths from polio were reported each year (9,10). Polio incidence declined sharply following the introduction of vaccine to less than 1000 cases in 1962 and remained below 100 cases after that year.

There's going to be not enough supply and demand and there won't be enough workers if a massive COVID wave hits us again and instead on having to wait for tests we will just have to wait for the vaccine.
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The biggest problem is that we just.don't.know. how dangerous it is.


There are people that say we're massively undercounting deaths - there are people saying that the CFR is much lower because there are more positive cases than thought.


NYC is the epicenter. 25% of the population has tested positive for antibodies which is a vastly larger number than the rest of the states, the rest of NY and the rest of NJ. 1 in 2 people now know someone who's died due to this. But we still have no fucking clue - the error rate for tests is high. The antibody tests are not known to be a solid thing yet. We don't even fully understand how to treat it.

The point is that without any common denominator for how many people have actually gotten this. Even if it's many magnitudes more than we think(10 to 12x) which is debateable, that's still like 4-6% of the country.


We have a lot of old, fat, diabetic people. We have a lot of people with pre-existing conditions - a lot of young people with autoimmune issues, cancer survivors, t1 diabetes. Even though they contribute as much to society as anyone else, have everything to look forward to..and just fuck it, they had pre-existing conditions? That's so fucking cold and callous.


Even so, from a pragmatic standpoint, it doesn't matter - because if everyone gets sick at once then hospital systems collapse. The rural areas? Without a subway system to seed infections? Well they also have fuck all resources compared to the big cities, and their hospitals are already struggling.


It is arrogant to assume that this is nothing that will blow over when it's already brought a fairly healthy(compared to the rest of the US) city with world class health care and doctors to it's knees.

If we cripple our hospital system, it doesn't fucking matter if it's only 1-2x more deadly than the seasonal flu, because more people will die than they would ordinarily from it. From both COVID, and for all sorts of reasons.


Arrogance. Fucking hubris.




I completely agree with this.


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    #26635982 - 04/29/20 04:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

9 out of 10 people put on ventilators wind up dying making people wonder if the ventilator even actually helps, hospital system collapsing might not change anything at all, after all you did say we have no idea how to actually treat it so whats it matter at that point.


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    #26635983 - 04/29/20 04:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The biggest problem is that we just.don't.know. how dangerous it is.


There are people that say we're massively undercounting deaths - there are people saying that the CFR is much lower because there are more positive cases than thought.


NYC is the epicenter. 25% of the population has tested positive for antibodies which is a vastly larger number than the rest of the states, the rest of NY and the rest of NJ. 1 in 2 people now know someone who's died due to this. But we still have no fucking clue - the error rate for tests is high. The antibody tests are not known to be a solid thing yet. We don't even fully understand how to treat it.

The point is that without any common denominator for how many people have actually gotten this. Even if it's many magnitudes more than we think(10 to 12x) which is debateable, that's still like 4-6% of the country.


We have a lot of old, fat, diabetic people. We have a lot of people with pre-existing conditions - a lot of young people with autoimmune issues, cancer survivors, t1 diabetes. Even though they contribute as much to society as anyone else, have everything to look forward to..just fuck em, they had pre-existing conditions? That's so fucking cold and callous.


Even so, from a pragmatic standpoint, it doesn't matter - because if everyone gets sick at once then hospital systems collapse. The rural areas? Without a subway system to seed infections? Well they also have fuck all resources compared to the big cities, and their hospitals are already struggling.


It is arrogant to assume that this is nothing that will blow over when it's already brought a fairly healthy(compared to the rest of the US) city with world class health care and doctors to it's knees.

If we cripple our hospital system, it doesn't fucking matter if it's only 1-2x more deadly than the seasonal flu, because more people will die than they would ordinarily from it. From both COVID, and for all sorts of reasons.


Arrogance. Fucking hubris.




Still, I get your point, but do you see the irrationality in it?  Reread it and suspend your disbelief, then again but opposite.

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    #26635984 - 04/29/20 04:27 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

There saying positive air flow pressure machines like cpaps and bipaps are more effective.


Problem is that just spews even more germs into the air - and a lot of hospitals are without those fancy negative pressure rooms. But what do you do besides continue to attempt to get PPE to hospitals and do what's best for the patient :shrug:.


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The biggest problem is that we just.don't.know. how dangerous it is.


There are people that say we're massively undercounting deaths - there are people saying that the CFR is much lower because there are more positive cases than thought.


NYC is the epicenter. 25% of the population has tested positive for antibodies which is a vastly larger number than the rest of the states, the rest of NY and the rest of NJ. 1 in 2 people now know someone who's died due to this. But we still have no fucking clue - the error rate for tests is high. The antibody tests are not known to be a solid thing yet. We don't even fully understand how to treat it.

The point is that without any common denominator for how many people have actually gotten this. Even if it's many magnitudes more than we think(10 to 12x) which is debateable, that's still like 4-6% of the country.


We have a lot of old, fat, diabetic people. We have a lot of people with pre-existing conditions - a lot of young people with autoimmune issues, cancer survivors, t1 diabetes. Even though they contribute as much to society as anyone else, have everything to look forward to..just fuck em, they had pre-existing conditions? That's so fucking cold and callous.


Even so, from a pragmatic standpoint, it doesn't matter - because if everyone gets sick at once then hospital systems collapse. The rural areas? Without a subway system to seed infections? Well they also have fuck all resources compared to the big cities, and their hospitals are already struggling.


It is arrogant to assume that this is nothing that will blow over when it's already brought a fairly healthy(compared to the rest of the US) city with world class health care and doctors to it's knees.

If we cripple our hospital system, it doesn't fucking matter if it's only 1-2x more deadly than the seasonal flu, because more people will die than they would ordinarily from it. From both COVID, and for all sorts of reasons.


Arrogance. Fucking hubris.




Still, I get your point, but do you see the irrationality in it?  Reread it and suspend your disbelief, then again but opposite.






No I fucking don't. I'm completely surrounded by it, my entire family is - including my grandmother who is in a nursing home with two clusters and pretty much dead meat at this point if it gets into her wing(which is literally locked down with RNs living there 24/7). I have a close family member with an autoimmune condition who has newly diagnosed tuberculosis. Runner, otherwise healthy, contributes more to society than most of us. Not ready to die. I may have tb myself as a result - do you know how hard it is to get into a pulmonologist right now???

I take this very, very seriously, because I don't have the luxury of not taking it seriously.


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    #26635991 - 04/29/20 04:30 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

My mom and my last living grandparent are elderly, I don't want them to die, its not up to the government to protect them, they know to be careful and wash their hands after they go out.

Its up to us to protect ourselves, this isn't the T-Virus or a highly contagious airborne version of ebola, its a novel common cold virus.

Sars-1 was more deadly than sars-2 which is actually why it spreads easier because it makes people less sick and takes longer to make them sick so it has more time to spread.

And we all made fun of Sars-1 98% survival rate, south park even made a damn episode about it,

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    #26635993 - 04/29/20 04:32 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Well we have a fundamental ideological difference and are not gonna agree and should just end this now, because I believe a government's fundamental role is protecting it's citizens. We have all these three letter agencies to do just that, why the fuck don't we just let society collapse and people fend for themselves.

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    #26635996 - 04/29/20 04:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The government will protect you by locking you up.

If you love the government so much why use an alias on this website, we should all put our full names up on here.

After all its the governments job to protect us.

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    #26635999 - 04/29/20 04:37 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

There's a way to protect people without becoming a complete nanny  or police state.


Nuance exists.


And no one's locking anyone up around here. Businesses are simply shut down where people can't properly socially distance.


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    #26636009 - 04/29/20 04:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Almost every state is re opening, shit 70% of my states workforce already went back to work and that was over a week ago.

When the anti socialism, anti communism, republican who says we will never be socialists starts signing bills into law to give everyone free money that they just printed up to give away that's when you know you are in trouble, its all one sided, there is no republican or democrat they're all one team trying to get you to give up your freedoms, they've been trying to do it since before you were born, they finally figured out how to get you to hand it over.



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    #26636018 - 04/29/20 04:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)



Gonna put this here.

Notice how we were seeing flu spikes already. That third peak of that red line, is when Covid hit.


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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    #26636020 - 04/29/20 04:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I just...I can't even engage with this dumbassery even more. It's not even 7am, I have to work, and I haven't had coffee or sleep and normally I have both. Enjoy your comics.


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    #26636038 - 04/29/20 05:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I don’t see why one would limit themselves to confirmation bias.  There’s good points on both sides, and horrible points too.

Point is, a clearer picture comes into focus when looking at the scene with perspective.


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    #26636048 - 04/29/20 05:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If corona virus magically disasapeared tomorrow you'd still lose a lot of your rights. Things are never going to be the same. Just like the patriot act and every other erosion on our rights and privacy.


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    #26636049 - 04/29/20 05:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

1984 wasn't suppose to be an instruction manuel


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    #26636057 - 04/29/20 05:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Huxley taught his students a little too well me starting to thinky


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    #26636059 - 04/29/20 05:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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If corona virus magically disasapeared tomorrow you'd still lose a lot of your rights. Things are never going to be the same. Just like the patriot act and every other erosion on our rights and privacy.




These are the types of things I'm afraid of, while these bills are being pushed through. Who knows what lies in those pages.


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    #26636954 - 04/29/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Libtards: We're all going to die of climate change, we are polluting to much and need green cars and renewable energy or we will extinct the human race!! It's science Trump Tards.

Elon Musk: Open the country back up!

I would like to get back to making green cars and renewable energy.

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    #26637030 - 04/29/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That thinking is toxic and will destroy society. You don't have facts so you resort to just calling people that take a pandemic serious libtards. Do you really think that makes you look like you have intelligence? That you care about anyone but yourself? That you care in the slightest bit about all the people who have had their families decimated. Fuck off with that "libtard" crap .


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    #26637038 - 04/29/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Imagine being so blinded that you over looked where I also used the term Trump Tards


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    #26637042 - 04/29/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Here is a fact though, coronavirus shut downs will double or more the global starvation death rate, much more deadly than the virus, but who cares most those deaths will be outside the US border ammiright?


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    #26637076 - 04/29/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Almost like people are capable of caring about multiple problems at once, and even (under competent leadership) coming up with multiple solutions to address all those problems!


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    #26637078 - 04/29/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Caring and tangible possible realities are too different things. Communism is great in a theoretical scenario yet in real world practice sucks donkey cock


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    #26637092 - 04/29/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Imagine being so blinded that you over looked where I also used the term Trump Tards



No what you said in full was this
Libtards: We're all going to die of climate change, we are polluting to much and need green cars and renewable energy or we will extinct the human race!! It's science Trump Tards.

You said Libtards are saying it's science Trump tards. So you saying the word Trump tard doesn't mean jack.
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Here is a fact though, coronavirus shut downs will double or more the global starvation death rate, much more deadly than the virus, but who cares most those deaths will be outside the US border ammiright?



Find a credible source that coronavirus lockdown will "double the starvation rate across the world" there's no evidence of this and also we are talking about American shutdowns and people calling coronavirus a hoax or downplaying it in America. As the people in the same country as you are being buried you downplay and call people LIBTARDS. Do you really think that makes you a good person? Or does it not matter because you need to get back to work so fuck everyone else?


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    #26637102 - 04/29/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

And I'm back to work the USA knows how fucked we are, I'm non essential but was deemed essential by the governor because he saw how fucked we are and now its pretend shut down. Over 70% of the work force is back to work but the news says we are in shut down lol


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    #26637103 - 04/29/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

but I did enjoy my 1400 a week unemployment for 3 weeks it was yummy. I got the high rate of unemployment and the inflation gets passed onto the poor in the end. I win no matter what happens quit assuming I am just being selfish lol


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637107 - 04/29/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

With shutting down a huge portion of the economy, tens of millions of people staying home and working from home, and extreme social distancing and stay at home orders enacted, the US lost over 60,000 people to COVID in like, one month. That's close to 20 9/11's so far.  The carnage has barely even started in most rural areas, and even most cities that shut down before a major outbreak happened. Like I said when this was all starting, the problem with the shut down measures is that they will work, and people will then think they were overhyped, solely because they worked.

The death toll would've easily been in the hundreds of thousands already if nothing was done, and then continue to rise.

If half the country got it, that's 150+ million people. That's millions more that would need to be hospitalized. The US only has about 400,000 hospital beds open at any given time. If something like that happens, good luck surviving a burst appendix, heart attack, stroke or even minor things that require intervention to not turn fatal.

The MA governor reported on Friday that one Boston hospital studying the commonly used antibody test found that half of the results were false positives, for a variety of possible reasons. The numbers of people with antibodies should not yet be trusted.

The problem isn't the response, it's the fact that we have an economy and a healthcare system that completely crumbles when we make common sense decisions during entirely predictable events like viral pandemics.


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Caring and tangible possible realities are too different things. Communism is great in a theoretical scenario yet in real world practice sucks donkey cock







Right and social darwinism or whatever you're advocating here is totally grounded in reality and not at all over-simplified in and of itself.

I'm not arguing for communism btw.



The famine is not, and this includes starvation in the modern age in general, a resource or supply problem for the international community, it's merely a logistical one. Can it be 100% solved? No, it's a systemic, complex issue, but it can sure as shit be mitigated significantly.


And speaking of starvation, we can't help with shit if we're starving. Basic hierarchy of needs, and totally illogical to not fix the kinks in our own supply chain before distributing food globally(but again, under any competent leadership, multiple teams and people and funds are effectively delegated to take care of multiple problems at once.). It would take a massive, synchronized, united effort of the likes that hasn't been seen since wwII though.

I think it could be accomplished in reality. It just takes a government that hasn't been starved of funding, deliberately dismantled(uh, like the entire team that was supposed to deal with a pandemic in the first place up until 2018 when they were fired, despite the world knowing that we were overdue for the next pandemic?) government that actually has some semblance of effective leadership.


Do I think someone like Biden can actually accomplish this? No. Does he stink of shit slightly less? Yeah, I guess.


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    #26637121 - 04/29/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Are you stupid it's been all over the news. https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/africa/coronavirus-famine-un-warning-intl/index.html




There are a whole host of factors that were causing 2020 to be a devastating year for those people long before COVID became a factor.

If we're going to bear the burden of the global effects of keeping our own nations safe, perhaps we should take a more comprehensive approach to solving hunger than throwing money at the problem. That approach only works if there is money to throw, and this is just one of many possible circumstances where there simply may not be.


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    #26637153 - 04/29/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Social darwinism? In the end flattening the curve doesn't reduce the amount of people who get sick, it just slows the rate so that the hospital doesn't get overwhelmed. Hospitals don't even know how to treat it. The total sick over time will be the same wether we do something or not.


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when in reality it's a tad more dangerous than the seasonal flu.






You probably won't see this considering you blocked me for claiming that Greta Thunberg wasn't a George Soros conspiracy, but:





And this is with 10's of millions of people staying home and nearly everyone practicing social distancing and actually doing things to prevent viral infection (aka best case scenario), while the flu numbers are more or less business as usual (worst case scenario)


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    #26637155 - 04/29/20 04:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Money is printed out of thin air, the national debt os not real. It is a real number. But a real consquence does not stand. Like if we ripped off a bunch of countries and went to war over the debt thats real but that's not happening. Hell I truley believe they let crypto ride and fruit as it did because they now its an out. Like who elses natural currecy is elctronic? Nobodys yet but we'll be the first if it has to go there. I thi k its been heading there all along so we can be tracked. Why would they want a currency people can hide? They dont. We print our own problems and solutions around here. Not saying its fiscally responsible, but we fugs wit it.


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when in reality it's a tad more dangerous than the seasonal flu.






You probably won't see this considering you blocked me for claiming that Greta Thunberg wasn't a George Soros conspiracy, but:





And this is with 10's of millions of people staying home and nearly everyone practicing social distancing and actually doing things to prevent viral infection (aka best case scenario), while the flu numbers are more or less business as usual (worst case scenario)




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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637167 - 04/29/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Don't agree.


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    #26637178 - 04/29/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Social darwinism? In the end flattening the curve doesn't reduce the amount of people who get sick, it just slows the rate so that the hospital doesn't get overwhelmed. Hospitals don't even know how to treat it. The total sick over time will be the same wether we do something or not.





Hospitals do know how to treat it, treat does not always have to equal cure. I now know multiple people who were hospitalized and very well may have died at home, or at least been extremely miserable and unable to care for themselves and even feed themselves. The hospitals were able to hook them up to oxygen and put them on treatment protocols that theoretically lowered the chance of them developing the common secondary complications of the virus.

Just because they can't cure it and are largely ineffective with reversing severe cases of it so far, does not mean that having beds open for people is not extremely necessary. Ideally with more time comes more data on what treatments work and don't work.

Again, not to mention the many more deaths that would happen when every bed was taken up by COVID patients, and someone who's having a heart attack, just sliced their thumb open, or has a severe kidney infection etc can't even get in the door to the ER.


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    #26637179 - 04/29/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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but I did enjoy my 1400 a week unemployment for 3 weeks it was yummy. I got the high rate of unemployment and the inflation gets passed onto the poor in the end. I win no matter what happens quit assuming I am just being selfish lol



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    #26637182 - 04/29/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

People are scared to go-to the ER because of the virus, some people have died at home from heart attacks and other ailments already because they're too scared to go to the hospital because of media hype. Every action has a reaction


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    #26637188 - 04/29/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If we're reaponding to the OP. This is not an arguement, down playing the disease is ignorant, regardless of the hooks and strings atached to the whole situation. Who thinks this is joke, or not real, or not worthy of a quarentine or national response ia little too far in the sauce. All the libtard comments made that guy look like a buffoon to you young learners of politics or the worlds. I dont support red or blue, but when you start swinging the bat thats when you strike out and you look like you've never held anything except your **** in your hand or someone elses


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People are scared to go-to the ER because of the virus, some people have died at home from heart attacks and other ailments already because they're too scared to go to the hospital because of media hype. Every action has a reaction




Which is exactly what would happen, only on an exponentially larger scale, if we did nothing.


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People are scared to go-to the ER because of the virus, some people have died at home from heart attacks and other ailments already because they're too scared to go to the hospital because of media hype. Every action has a reaction



Okay that one I kind of agree with out of all the crap that doesn't have any merit I agree people should understand that COVID patients are quarantined and they need to go instead of dying in their houses but ask yourself how you feel if right now you had to go to the biggest city hospital near you and tell me you have no worries of the virus . That doesn't justify it all calling this overblown by the media. Fear is a reflex of the Mind specifically to Keep Us Alive and some fears are Justified. When there's a big bear clawing at your face you have the right to be pretty afraid for your life and do anything necessary to save it.

For a lot of the people whose families have been broken and lost friends and colleagues in almost every facet of their life this is there bear attack moment. There's still fresh mass graves. To call it overblown or suggest it only effects the old and those with underlying conditions or that people shouldn't be afraid of it is actively going to infect and kill more people and to me it's sickening that people are using those talking points because they're broke and need to get back to work now fuck precautions and the time needed to implement it.


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We already did something that's the thing we flattened the curve time to go on and take individual care of ourselves


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    #26637222 - 04/29/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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We already did something that's the thing we flattened the curve time to go on and take individual care of ourselves



Now we're getting somewhere I understand it seems we flattened the curve but there's active hotspots right this second throughout the states so we need to be careful and think of how to change how we do business to reopen. I'll find the interview on fox mark Cuban explained it well. He was saying that clothing stores as an example used to have people try things on all the time no problem now we have to examine whether we can do that or need to modify how the business operates. We need temperature checks, paid sick leave, new methods to socially distance people, ramp our testing up and do contact tracing.

Every expert says it's coming back worse in winter so we have until then to totally change how businesses operate in the public and get temp checks and tests out there. Right now my nephew can't get brain surgery because of this virus so you're not the only one losing things. There's tremendous sacrifice but we have to ensure that we're not going to make it worse when we go back to work.


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    #26637224 - 04/29/20 04:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The WHO just recently praised Sweden response to the virus. Interesting since they didn't so a real shut down.


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We already did something that's the thing we flattened the curve time to go on and take individual care of ourselves




Flattening the curve entails a slow and methodical reopening. Opening too quickly just turns the curve into a rollercoaster, and you lose most of the benefits that we spent trillions on.


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    #26637241 - 04/29/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It took 1 person to infect the whole world as long as there is 1 person who still has the virus thats all it takes to go roller coaster especially since its estimated that 69% of people who catch it are asymptomatic.  A virus so deadly most people who have it never notice lol


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    #26637254 - 04/29/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Herd immunity is the only real solution. U can get it in 2 ways, mass vaccination or 70% of the population catching it and recovering. Flattening the curve actually hinders herd immunity if there is no long term immmunity. I personally believe there is long term but most of you don't so if that's what you believe then flowing the virus is actually going to lead to more long term deaths


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It took 1 person to infect the whole world as long as there is 1 person who still has the virus thats all it takes to go roller coaster especially since its estimated that 69% of people who catch it are asymptomatic.  A virus so deadly most people who have it never notice lol




The number is not 69%, many population studies of hundreds of people have also reported numbers like 4% Shanghai, 18% (Diamond Princess), 25% (CDC) etc. The numbers are all over the place, and we have data being published from antibody tests which are being proven to show false-positives 16-50% of the time.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: feevers]
    #26637390 - 04/29/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I've seen 69% here is health line stating 50%  https://www.healthline.com/health-news/50-percent-of-people-with-covid19-not-aware-have-virus. The NY antibody study suggests 90%


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    #26637396 - 04/29/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

And here a NY hospital had 88% of people who tested positive were asymptomatic https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/20/we-tested-all-our-patients-covid-19-found-lots-asymptomatic-cases ; but I get it the fear narrative isn't being met here so just ignore it


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    #26637407 - 04/29/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not really sure why everyone buys into this extreme fear still now with all the new data points. This is the same fear tactic used to make weed seem like it made people serial killers etc yet on a website like this many of you don't have your guard up for propoganda to manipulate you.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637518 - 04/29/20 07:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I've seen 69% here is health line stating 50%  https://www.healthline.com/health-news/50-percent-of-people-with-covid19-not-aware-have-virus. The NY antibody study suggests 90%




The article says 25-50%, you continually pushing the higher numbers while ignoring lower ones shows you want things to be a certain way, instead of just laying out the facts as is. And those numbers are, let me say it once more, using an antibody test that many experts have no confidence in. As I already said, there were other populations studied with much lower asymptomatic rates. Unless we have tests that actually work and wide scale testing, the antibody test numbers arent worth much on a larger scale. There also may be different severities from different strains or other factors at play.

The fact that you stress the asymptomatic factor so much makes your earlier suggestion to simply have people check their temperatures and monitor their own health seem kind of odd. That's literally pointless if most are actually asymptomatic, and they'll just go out and spread it.

I hope for everyone's sake the asymptomatic rate is through the roof, but it's way too early to tell and the amount of bodies that have piled up in one month is way more than we've ever seen  in the US from any contageous disease in our lifetime already... and that's with pretty much everything shut down and therefore the transmission rate as small as is likely possible.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637535 - 04/29/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/20/we-tested-all-our-patients-covid-19-found-lots-asymptomatic-cases/




As for the "90%" claim

One report of 15% of pregnant women who gave birth at one hospital (with no actual number of women given) in a 2 week period is nowhere near a representative sample, for about a thousand reasons

You have to do more than read headlines if you really want to understand the situation


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637581 - 04/29/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The WHO just recently praised Sweden response to the virus. Interesting since they didn't so a real shut down.



They were prepared and had enough tests to reopen


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26637586 - 04/29/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I barely got sick. My temperature rose but I never felt like I had a fever. I was borderline asymptomatic myself. Had I not known I was likely exposed I wouldn't have thought much of it.


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    #26637588 - 04/29/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/20/we-tested-all-our-patients-covid-19-found-lots-asymptomatic-cases/




As for the "90%" claim

One report of 15% of pregnant women who gave birth at one hospital (with no actual number of women given) in a 2 week period is nowhere near a representative sample, for about a thousand reasons

You have to do more than read headlines if you really want to understand the situation


oh I understand the situation I am literally a participant in the research


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637597 - 04/29/20 08:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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oh I understand the situation I am literally a participant in the research




That literally means you signed a piece of paper.


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    #26637605 - 04/29/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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oh I understand the situation I am literally a participant in the research




That literally means you signed a piece of paper.



They literally update me on what they learn every single appointment. And inform me on what fake medical information is floating around. Some of which has been spewed in this very thread


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637627 - 04/29/20 08:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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oh I understand the situation I am literally a participant in the research




That literally means you signed a piece of paper.



They literally update me on what they learn every single appointment. And inform me on what fake medical information is floating around. Some of which has been spewed in this very thread




So then why do you feel the need to misquote articles and take statistics way out of context to push your narrative if you have some sort of insider info?

I'm not saying there's not a high rate of asymptomatic cases, but I am saying you're trying to win an argument and prove a point instead of trying to accurately portray the data.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: feevers]
    #26637631 - 04/29/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I sited several sources check out the wa examiner one I posted where 88% were asymptomatic at a new York hospital. Don't skip that 9ne and then go waaa what and google yourself and read many articles. I'm at work building a section if a 500 million dollar machine. Despite there being a "statewide shut down" oh and all our suppliers are back open too. The government already knows they over reacted and don't want to admit it so they got a light shut down and pretend its still in full swing. But hey they extended the shut down to ease people like you hearts.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637638 - 04/29/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Barely anyone at my wife's work felt that sick and every single person there caught the virus. Its a nursing home so some old people passed away who lived there but they were all near the end of their life already. Sure we should do what we can to try to protect them however because of the shut downs and since hospitals are struggling because they can only have essential appointments they had to lay off a lot of doctors and nurses and now fuxking nursing homes are taking in patient over flow lmao. The solution can't be worse than the virus but yet here we are pathetic


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637645 - 04/29/20 08:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You're not suppose to quarentine healthy people you're suppose to quarentine the sick but here they fucking are sending the sick into nursing homes, I don't trust the government to the point that I suspect this is being done just to inflate the deaths even more so that younger healthy individuals remain scared. Just look at this, https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-01/california-orders-skilled-nursing-facilities-to-accept-coronavirus-patients.  Similar shit happened at my wifes nursing home leading to a 100% infection rate. Some good news though is now the facility is 100% corona free but yes some elderly people there who were hoping to be protected died. They really tried to stop the spread too once they had their first confirmed patient and they even stopped visitations weeks before the first case. Stay at home order did nothing, literally trying to isolate the elderly did nothing.  This experience makes me think its totally airborn at every level of the defonition


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637646 - 04/29/20 08:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I sited several sources check out the wa examiner one I posted where 88% were asymptomatic at a new York hospital. Don't skip that 9ne and then go waaa what and google yourself and read many articles. I'm at work building a section if a 500 million dollar machine. Despite there being a "statewide shut down" oh and all our suppliers are back open too. The government already knows they over reacted and don't want to admit it so they got a light shut down and pretend its still in full swing. But hey they extended the shut down to ease people like you hearts.



:lol:

You already responded to my response about that "study",  look up. You represented one small group of pregnant women at one hospital who didn't currently have symptoms when testing positive with a faulty antibody test as "ny antibody test suggests 90%"

I'm done arguing though, I'll leave on a positive note and say that I envy your optimism


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    #26637651 - 04/29/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I have no idea why links with text on my phone brake the link


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    #26637670 - 04/29/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Don't envy my optimism because eventually you'll see things the same way as even more data rolls in. Initially based on Italy the death rate was over 12% their data just have been shit cause its now no where near that. That botch data is why we all freaked out. Now the official rate is 3% and thats when u mix all ages together the elderly die at a vastly higher rate than those under 60 and when u mix it up like a blender based on our official proven cases u get right about 3% and now we know it's likely much much lower than even that looking like .74% I wouldn't be surprised if in the end its even lower than that. It took me catching the virus and everyone at my wifes work catching it and seeing just how not deadly it really is first hand. Go on ahead and look at Vietnamese numbers. Under 300 cases 0 deaths. 0 deaths if its so deadly some of those 300 should have died right? Just look at random data from around the world and you can see that we are being manipulated


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