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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637167 - 04/29/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Don't agree.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637178 - 04/29/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Social darwinism? In the end flattening the curve doesn't reduce the amount of people who get sick, it just slows the rate so that the hospital doesn't get overwhelmed. Hospitals don't even know how to treat it. The total sick over time will be the same wether we do something or not.





Hospitals do know how to treat it, treat does not always have to equal cure. I now know multiple people who were hospitalized and very well may have died at home, or at least been extremely miserable and unable to care for themselves and even feed themselves. The hospitals were able to hook them up to oxygen and put them on treatment protocols that theoretically lowered the chance of them developing the common secondary complications of the virus.

Just because they can't cure it and are largely ineffective with reversing severe cases of it so far, does not mean that having beds open for people is not extremely necessary. Ideally with more time comes more data on what treatments work and don't work.

Again, not to mention the many more deaths that would happen when every bed was taken up by COVID patients, and someone who's having a heart attack, just sliced their thumb open, or has a severe kidney infection etc can't even get in the door to the ER.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637179 - 04/29/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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but I did enjoy my 1400 a week unemployment for 3 weeks it was yummy. I got the high rate of unemployment and the inflation gets passed onto the poor in the end. I win no matter what happens quit assuming I am just being selfish lol



I win no matter what I'm not selfish lmao


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: feevers]
    #26637182 - 04/29/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

People are scared to go-to the ER because of the virus, some people have died at home from heart attacks and other ailments already because they're too scared to go to the hospital because of media hype. Every action has a reaction


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: feevers]
    #26637188 - 04/29/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If we're reaponding to the OP. This is not an arguement, down playing the disease is ignorant, regardless of the hooks and strings atached to the whole situation. Who thinks this is joke, or not real, or not worthy of a quarentine or national response ia little too far in the sauce. All the libtard comments made that guy look like a buffoon to you young learners of politics or the worlds. I dont support red or blue, but when you start swinging the bat thats when you strike out and you look like you've never held anything except your **** in your hand or someone elses


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637191 - 04/29/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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People are scared to go-to the ER because of the virus, some people have died at home from heart attacks and other ailments already because they're too scared to go to the hospital because of media hype. Every action has a reaction




Which is exactly what would happen, only on an exponentially larger scale, if we did nothing.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637213 - 04/29/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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People are scared to go-to the ER because of the virus, some people have died at home from heart attacks and other ailments already because they're too scared to go to the hospital because of media hype. Every action has a reaction



Okay that one I kind of agree with out of all the crap that doesn't have any merit I agree people should understand that COVID patients are quarantined and they need to go instead of dying in their houses but ask yourself how you feel if right now you had to go to the biggest city hospital near you and tell me you have no worries of the virus . That doesn't justify it all calling this overblown by the media. Fear is a reflex of the Mind specifically to Keep Us Alive and some fears are Justified. When there's a big bear clawing at your face you have the right to be pretty afraid for your life and do anything necessary to save it.

For a lot of the people whose families have been broken and lost friends and colleagues in almost every facet of their life this is there bear attack moment. There's still fresh mass graves. To call it overblown or suggest it only effects the old and those with underlying conditions or that people shouldn't be afraid of it is actively going to infect and kill more people and to me it's sickening that people are using those talking points because they're broke and need to get back to work now fuck precautions and the time needed to implement it.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: feevers]
    #26637215 - 04/29/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

We already did something that's the thing we flattened the curve time to go on and take individual care of ourselves


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637222 - 04/29/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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We already did something that's the thing we flattened the curve time to go on and take individual care of ourselves



Now we're getting somewhere I understand it seems we flattened the curve but there's active hotspots right this second throughout the states so we need to be careful and think of how to change how we do business to reopen. I'll find the interview on fox mark Cuban explained it well. He was saying that clothing stores as an example used to have people try things on all the time no problem now we have to examine whether we can do that or need to modify how the business operates. We need temperature checks, paid sick leave, new methods to socially distance people, ramp our testing up and do contact tracing.

Every expert says it's coming back worse in winter so we have until then to totally change how businesses operate in the public and get temp checks and tests out there. Right now my nephew can't get brain surgery because of this virus so you're not the only one losing things. There's tremendous sacrifice but we have to ensure that we're not going to make it worse when we go back to work.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: Grungeman17]
    #26637224 - 04/29/20 04:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Squid ward kills em all


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637232 - 04/29/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The WHO just recently praised Sweden response to the virus. Interesting since they didn't so a real shut down.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637235 - 04/29/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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We already did something that's the thing we flattened the curve time to go on and take individual care of ourselves




Flattening the curve entails a slow and methodical reopening. Opening too quickly just turns the curve into a rollercoaster, and you lose most of the benefits that we spent trillions on.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: feevers]
    #26637241 - 04/29/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It took 1 person to infect the whole world as long as there is 1 person who still has the virus thats all it takes to go roller coaster especially since its estimated that 69% of people who catch it are asymptomatic.  A virus so deadly most people who have it never notice lol


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637254 - 04/29/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Herd immunity is the only real solution. U can get it in 2 ways, mass vaccination or 70% of the population catching it and recovering. Flattening the curve actually hinders herd immunity if there is no long term immmunity. I personally believe there is long term but most of you don't so if that's what you believe then flowing the virus is actually going to lead to more long term deaths


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637257 - 04/29/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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It took 1 person to infect the whole world as long as there is 1 person who still has the virus thats all it takes to go roller coaster especially since its estimated that 69% of people who catch it are asymptomatic.  A virus so deadly most people who have it never notice lol




The number is not 69%, many population studies of hundreds of people have also reported numbers like 4% Shanghai, 18% (Diamond Princess), 25% (CDC) etc. The numbers are all over the place, and we have data being published from antibody tests which are being proven to show false-positives 16-50% of the time.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: feevers]
    #26637390 - 04/29/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I've seen 69% here is health line stating 50%  https://www.healthline.com/health-news/50-percent-of-people-with-covid19-not-aware-have-virus. The NY antibody study suggests 90%


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637396 - 04/29/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

And here a NY hospital had 88% of people who tested positive were asymptomatic https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/20/we-tested-all-our-patients-covid-19-found-lots-asymptomatic-cases ; but I get it the fear narrative isn't being met here so just ignore it


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637398 - 04/29/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637407 - 04/29/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not really sure why everyone buys into this extreme fear still now with all the new data points. This is the same fear tactic used to make weed seem like it made people serial killers etc yet on a website like this many of you don't have your guard up for propoganda to manipulate you.


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Re: Can we all agree that calling covi19 a hoax is dangerous and wrong? [Re: budmanman]
    #26637518 - 04/29/20 07:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I've seen 69% here is health line stating 50%  https://www.healthline.com/health-news/50-percent-of-people-with-covid19-not-aware-have-virus. The NY antibody study suggests 90%




The article says 25-50%, you continually pushing the higher numbers while ignoring lower ones shows you want things to be a certain way, instead of just laying out the facts as is. And those numbers are, let me say it once more, using an antibody test that many experts have no confidence in. As I already said, there were other populations studied with much lower asymptomatic rates. Unless we have tests that actually work and wide scale testing, the antibody test numbers arent worth much on a larger scale. There also may be different severities from different strains or other factors at play.

The fact that you stress the asymptomatic factor so much makes your earlier suggestion to simply have people check their temperatures and monitor their own health seem kind of odd. That's literally pointless if most are actually asymptomatic, and they'll just go out and spread it.

I hope for everyone's sake the asymptomatic rate is through the roof, but it's way too early to tell and the amount of bodies that have piled up in one month is way more than we've ever seen  in the US from any contageous disease in our lifetime already... and that's with pretty much everything shut down and therefore the transmission rate as small as is likely possible.


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