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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26636632 - 04/29/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fanning once or twice a day will distribute the RH around the cakes and even out the dry air flowing through the tub due to passive FAE.
Alot of people see a TC make a comment 1 time and run with it because someone once said something and most people don't actually have first hand experience in my opinion.
The same way people like to go dig up old quotes from RR and post them even though they have never actually experienced said quoted situation.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: Sockadin] 1
#26636669 - 04/29/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I used to do cakes 5-6 years ago and fanning did absolutely no difference. SGFC will get a shit ton of airflow all around the cakes on its own.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: poisoned]
#26636742 - 04/29/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cool bro. Don't fan your cakes then.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: Sockadin]
#26636745 - 04/29/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't because I don't have cakes anymore. Even if your theory would hold, you wouldn't need to fan for 2 minutes to move that air.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: poisoned]
#26636758 - 04/29/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just a quick flap of the lid to move air is all I am saying. If you never had to it might be because of the environment outside the SGFC more than inside. If you have Central Heat air air in your home you have way more air flow than in a closet in an apartment with out.
So I'm just saying because you didn't need to, doesn't mean that this applies to everyone growing cakes in a SGFC all over the world. The environment outside the chamber is as important as the one inside.
I recommend fanning if you are misting because it will help distribute the RH from around the cakes and induce evaporation.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: Sockadin]
#26636794 - 04/29/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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SGFC shouldn't be placed in a closet anyways. Also, humid air is lighter than dry air and will float up, bringing new air in. That's like the whole dynamics of SGFC.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: Sockadin]
#26636841 - 04/29/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: Fanning once or twice a day will distribute the RH around the cakes and even out the dry air flowing through the tub due to passive FAE.
Alot of people see a TC make a comment 1 time and run with it because someone once said something and most people don't actually have first hand experience in my opinion.
The same way people like to go dig up old quotes from RR and post them even though they have never actually experienced said quoted situation.
That's good enough for me. I know this is a bit of a debate, but you have already given me a fuck-ton of advice that worked out incredibly well for my first n00b grow. So unless I had a really good reason, substantiated by many sources, I'm going with your advice on this.
By the way, on topic of this thread, my perlite is still nice and wet. I may irrigate the perlite again tonight, but probably not. Since in my other thread you just told me to let the cakes dry out a bit for a day or two, I'm going to assume that watering the perlite will impede this.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: LSA Woodrose] 3
#26637201 - 04/29/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Taking the lid off to mist is more than enough fae. Besides look where the spores deposit. there's no stale air in there. The whole room is "stale" whatever that even means.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: bodhisatta]
#26637326 - 04/29/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Besides look where the spores deposit. there's no stale air in there. The whole room is "stale" whatever that even means.
I’m not sure what you mean by this, or if you were directly responding to me, and making a comment about my set up? If so, could you clarify a bit? Because I’m not sure what you’re trying to tell me. By the way, fun fact, I think you were one of the folks in my thread advocating for there being no need to fan cakes in an SGFC. But I could be remembering wrong.
I guess, I also need to respond to poisoned, because above, he said that these fruiting chambers should not be put into a closet. Which brings up the question of whether or not the closet the size that I put it in falls into that category. If you look at the pictures on the previous page, it’s a very big closet, more of a walk-in closet. While it may not have the space of an entire room obviously, it’s not like it shoved into a cramped closet with a bunch of clothes and overflowing storage items.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26637355 - 04/29/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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LSA Woodrose said: Which brings up the question of whether or not the closet the size that I put it in falls into that category. If you look at the pictures on the previous page, it’s a very big closet, more of a walk-in closet. While it may not have the space of an entire room obviously, it’s not like it shoved into a cramped closet with a bunch of clothes and overflowing storage items.
If the air in the closet, room, etc. can't circulate then the functionality of the SGFC is moot.
RR designed the SGFC so everyday people that have 9-5 jobs could cultivate cakes with almost zero maintenance (No fanning needed) 
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mushpunx said: The only way to increase FAE is to add more holes, crack the lid, etc. FAE is passive, happening all the time thru the holes. Whatever fanning accomplishes happens , will happen on its own thru the holes.
With regards to fanning
Not trying to start drama, but you gotta think about it....if the chamber can't breathe or refresh the air on it's own then are the shrooms going to get FAE?
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: Tormato] 2
#26638851 - 04/30/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Like Bod said look at where the spores are deposited and it should give you a clue about air movement inside. Warm air is lighter than cold air (colonies/substrates generate heat) and thus create air circulation. And also water wapor molecules are lighter than air (colonies/substrates evaporate off humidity) thus creating firther air circulation.
The way I see it there is plenty of air constantly rising from the warm substrates. This imo explains why spores are deposited on the top of the caps, the warm/humid air rising from the subs lifts the spores above the fruits/caps. Assuming that fruits and their caps block some of the rising warmer/more damp air coming off the subs, then this creates slightly colder/dryer air right above the fruits and this microclimate traps the traveling spores and makes them hover down to land on top of the caps. Could also be other explanations for this but that's one theory I have at least for the consistency of where the spores usually deposit.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: Mateja]
#26638863 - 04/30/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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We need someone with vape to check the air currents in a SGFC.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: poisoned] 2
#26638898 - 04/30/20 12:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shrooms make you gay so there should be plenty of people with vapes.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: poisoned]
#26638902 - 04/30/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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If there was a way of somehow coloring the air inside and outside the setup without adding heavier particles like that which colors the air then it would probably give you some answers, but I've thought about this for a long time and Idk what kind of smoke or vapor you could add for it to behave exactly like natural air and vapor would behave. And on top of that I think every individual SGFC would create slightly different air circulations also depending on the environment the tub is in and the amount of substrates there are inside and ambient RH and Temps, just too many variables if you ask me.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26638930 - 04/30/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Shrooms make you gay so there should be plenty of people with vapes.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: woofwoof]
#26638943 - 04/30/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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No son of mines gonna suck one of those pussy sticks!
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26639247 - 04/30/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sorry, I just wanted to re-post this question, because I'm not sure if bodhisatta was trying to tell me something about my setup that I need to be aware of, or if he was just musing out loud. 
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bodhisatta said: Besides look where the spores deposit. there's no stale air in there. The whole room is "stale" whatever that even means.
I’m not sure what you mean by this, or if you were directly responding to me, and making a comment about my set up? If so, could you clarify a bit? Because I’m not sure what you’re trying to tell me. By the way, fun fact, I think you were one of the folks in my thread advocating for there being no need to fan cakes in an SGFC. But I could be remembering wrong.
I guess, I also need to respond to poisoned, because above, he said that these fruiting chambers should not be put into a closet. Which brings up the question of whether or not the closet the size that I put it in falls into that category. If you look at the pictures on the previous page, it’s a very big closet, more of a walk-in closet. While it may not have the space of an entire room obviously, it’s not like it shoved into a cramped closet with a bunch of clothes and overflowing storage items.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26639291 - 04/30/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think I got it!
What if u built seperate SGFC with different hole size patterns and measured the diameter of the spore print being made by the shroom cap (which is also measured).
LSA, u could do another floor plan diagram except specifically measuring spore print diameters relative to to size of the shroom cap and its height above the perlite Might get some interesting results 
The design with the largest spore print diameters on the perlite would indicate the SGFC design with the most efficient holes. 
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26639455 - 04/30/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: LSA, u could do another floor plan diagram except specifically measuring spore print diameters relative to to size of the shroom cap and its height above the perlite Might get some interesting results 
The design with the largest spore print diameters on the perlite would indicate the SGFC design with the most efficient holes. 

Yeah, but I have to have more shrooms grow from my currently stalled in order for that to happen, right?
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26639466 - 04/30/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Time to prep more jars. Its time
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