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Sketchy myc - Contam, bad genetics? **EDIT- Turned into growlog * 1
    #26634454 - 04/28/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

This is my first post so here goes nothing.

This is a friends second grow. He started a grow log to record and learn from even his first attempts. I will post those for him at the bottom. He realizes that he is starting on bad footing using a purchased syringe and agar is in his future BUT he is still interested in feedback on identifying what is happening.

From the get go the myc looked thin but ultimately did fully colonize the rye. He purchased a pre-made hpoo mix for bulk and made his own bulk with a 70/30 coir/verm bulk. Followed damion5050's bucket TEK for bulk pasteurization. He wanted to compare the two bulks and see if either did better for production.

There is no clear winner at this point. What is clear is that the myc is either contaminated OR there are some weird genetics playing out OR its a combo OR something he has no idea about and is about to get educated.

His question is this, Does anyone have any idea of what is going on AND any idea if this will produce fruit? Any other insights are always appreciated.

Grow Log on 2nd Grow
Strain: Columbian Rust from sw(Fast delivery. 3 days)
Inoculation: April 9, 2020
Colonization of Spawn: April 13th – April 19th (Note: Myc always looked thin even at full colonization) (Shoebox tek)
Bulk Substrate: (1 shoebox of 70/30 coir to verm. 1:3 ratio. . 1 shoebox of pre-bough hpoo mix from OutGrow.com with a 1:2 ratio)
Moved to Fruiting Chamber: April 20th

See PICS below

This is how his grow started

These are where he is at as of today






Edited by DeerWalkswithBear (05/04/20 02:58 PM)


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Re: Sketchy myc - Contam, bad genetics, or something else? [Re: DeerWalkswithBear]
    #26634584 - 04/28/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If you’re looking at the white lumps those are knots that’ll turn into mushrooms.

Looks ok to me.

I’m not positive but I don’t think the bucket tek pasteurizes manure does it?
I always thought it was just coir prep.

Either way they look ok, should see tiny shrooms in a day or two.


Here’s a picture of the knots, pins, and the stage in between where they’re just starting to take shape. All close together.



Keep an eye out for these, it’s the next stage.


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Re: Sketchy myc - Contam, bad genetics, or something else? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26634664 - 04/28/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you for the reply. I didnt use the bucket tek for the hpoo only the coir/verm combo. The hpoo was bought pre-pasturized.

I will send out photos of how this thing progresses. I am hoping for pins!!


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Re: Sketchy myc - Contam, bad genetics, or something else? [Re: DeerWalkswithBear]
    #26634918 - 04/28/20 05:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Your friend
:hahyeahwoo:

This looks good to me, you should have pins in a few days.


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Re: Sketchy myc - Contam, bad genetics, or something else? [Re: poisoned]
    #26636283 - 04/29/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:wink:

Well I think my friend may have been worried for nothing. He will see how this pans out but a few pins popped up last night. He has never seen such thin myc but oh how much he learned because of it!

Any one got any suggestions on how to combat side pinning in a shoe box. He probably should have put a liner in but it seems like some people do fine without one.

He is considering taking the myc out of the shoebox in the sgfc and putting it on some foil on top of the perlite. Too risky?


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Re: Sketchy myc - Contam, bad genetics, or something else? [Re: DeerWalkswithBear]
    #26636445 - 04/29/20 10:04 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Just let them grow in a shoebox. They aren't as nice looking and are a bitch to harvest, but they are still psychedelic.


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Re: Sketchy myc - Contam, bad genetics, or something else? [Re: poisoned]
    #26636465 - 04/29/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Looks fine.  I don't even use liners and I get almost zero sidepins.  It's all about maintaining surface conditions and prepping your sub properly (which go hand in hand).  Best of luck to your friend and can't wait to see how it turns out! Edit: forgot to say... I've never tried pasteurizing hpoo with bucket tek...  I stick hpoo in the oven.


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Re: Sketchy myc - Contam, bad genetics, or something else? [Re: alaskappalachian] * 1
    #26639328 - 04/30/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

**UPDATE - So my friend made a possible poor decision but only time will tell. He went ahead and pulled the two cakes out of the shoe boxes and soaked for 4 hours in shallow water to re-hyrdate. He broke a cake in half in doing so :thumbdown:. They seemed dry and the pins seemed very slow moving. He also noticed some blue-ing, which from what I have read seems like it could be from handling them or misting them too hard. Either way He has a couple questions.

A.) Does the blueing go away if he leaves them alone?
B.) Does running a small fan after misting work or is it best to fan by hand for FAE?
C.) He is running a 6000k LED bulb and wants to know if this will still work or if a 6500k is the better route to take.

Any and all feedback or comments are always appreciated! Photos below.



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Re: Sketchy myc - Contam, bad genetics, or something else? [Re: DeerWalkswithBear] * 1
    #26648546 - 05/04/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

My "friend's" (done with this) grow has been progressing SLOWLY but nicely. I figured I would throw up some photos and progress because it seems like in most of the forums once a question is answered there is no update afterwards to show what the hell happened!

I appreciate all of you who take the time to educate us n00bs and my only goal is to keep on learning and maybe get lucky growing a couple of mushies as it is happening.

All that being said, the grow has been going well and there has been a good pin set. I went ahead and re-hydrated my perlite layer by leaving my modified (lol) SGFC in 2" of water in a larger plastic bin for a few hours. The perlite layer is only about 2.5-3" thick and seemed to dry out about half way through pinning because the moisture on the sides and surface of the myc were drying out. The mushrooms seemed to like to additional moisture and have continued to further pin and the 1st flush is on its way out.

Hella side pins so ultimately I am glad I moved them out of the shoe boxes to make harvesting a little easier.

A couple questions if anyone has input it is always welcome.
1.) Does getting a little perlite on the myc have any negative affect?
2.) Does anyone have any experience growing Colombian Rust? I have a general question about the "normal" size of the strain and if they are on the smaller side?

Peace.












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Re: Sketchy myc - Contam, bad genetics, or something else? [Re: DeerWalkswithBear] * 1
    #26648592 - 05/04/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

LoOks good.


Those are normal size, a bunch are at the stage where they’re about to grow a lot and open the caps. Maybe even by tomorrow morning for a handful.

They generally stay kinda small for a while and then all of a sudden double in size overnight.


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Re: Sketchy myc - Contam, bad genetics, or something else? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26648806 - 05/04/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

They'll recover with some care.

I'd caution against much/any bottom watering or misting before the first flush. IME bottom watering would rehydrate my subs more than necessary, and my mush would get smaller. My grow would slow down, recovery took forever, and there was little heat to feel from my subs. And this was already after first flush!
After letting them dry out for 2-3 days only some adjusting the lids for FAE, they started recovering much quicker and fruits became bigger.

Let them breathe for a bit and see how things react :smile:


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Re: Sketchy myc - Contam, bad genetics, or something else? [Re: chuckarama] * 1
    #26657926 - 05/08/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

**Update - May 8, 2020

1st flush has been good (for a n00b). I picked them over the course of three picks once the veils broke and dried for 10 hours in dehydrator and they are cracker dry. Success! Plenty learned and endless more to still learn but it has been fun so far.

I read through some past posts and decided to dunk prior to second flush but as I was soaking the cake I kept reading and wish I read a little more before I made a choice because I would have only misted heavily. (Live and learn) My cake does not look happy at all. It has turned blue on top after the dunk. I am doing my best to keep FAE high and read that 5-10 mins of direct sunlight per day may be helpful. Back to the waiting game!

Any thoughts or comments are always appreciated. Here are some photos of it all


Sub after 1st pick

Sub after dunking



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Re: Sketchy myc - Contam, bad genetics, or something else? [Re: DeerWalkswithBear]
    #26657937 - 05/08/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Looks awesome man! I like your huge Rectangular cakes! U did harvest a bit too early, but if you dont want any spore prints, then its all good.


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Re: Sketchy myc - Contam, bad genetics, or something else? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26672228 - 05/15/20 08:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

**UPDATE - 2nd flush was a success! After dunking the cakes overnight they looked so beat up. Blue and soggy but after a couple of days the myc dried out and turned mostly white again. A couple fans a day with some light misting and BOOM second flush came in very even and good looking mushies.

The second flush netted 324g wet which was darn close to the first flush of 357g total wet as well.

For the third flush I am trying a different technique of only heavy misting for the first few days to re hydrate the cake and will see what happens. It has been 2 days since flush two harvest and the cakes are looking decent. Fingers crossed for a third flush!





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