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Millet spawn (easy , fast millet grain spawn tek) * 4
    #26632156 - 04/27/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hello to all shroomerites out there. Just wanted to share the way I have been successfully making properly hydrated millet grain spawn for sometime now.



Preferred grain for Bulk Substrates,  especially actives ,I use White Millet. Commonly also called white proso. I order and purchase white millet from a feed store 40 miles near my home. I suggest going to a co-op or mom and pop joint to find the goods. Ask the owner to contact there suppliers and order a few sacks.As most box stores dont carry this and usually wont order it. Depending on market, I typically pay 14 to 18 dollars per 50lbs sack. While red can be used, I prefer white. The ease of seeing contamination is the reason.

I am able to make all my jars in less than 5 mins and be in the pressure cooker with fire under the pot.*tip* (a splash of white vinegar will keep white buildup from accumulating on jars from tap water in pressure cooker)

I also only pc 7 jars at a time and do a 65 minute sterilization cycle. Due to the means of hydration,  I dont choose to lay the extra 3 jars sideways. I find it helps with sterilization times to have only 7 too.



I pour the millet into a bucket with lid and keep it in my home lab. In the bucket I keep a cup that has been cut to hold 350ml of seed. Simply get a cup , measure out the seed and cut it at the place where it holds exactly 350ml of seed. This speeds up the whole deal.

I also have a funnel and a ziplock brand little sqaure container. These containers hold 150ml of water. Which is the amount I use per jar.

So i gather all my clean quarts and get them near. Place one in the bucket and proceed to put the funnel in the jar and fill the cup with millet and pour into jar.



After filling all the jars I will be needing for the project I place the jar on the counter, near the sink. I proceed to fill the container to the top and pour into the waiting jars.



Lid up , foil up , and load into pc. I use 65 minutes at 18 psi. I have confidence that 65 minutes at 15psi works , as I done that for a few hundred cycles with Zero issues.

Once the pressure drops, it is imperative to turn jar upside down and smack it to break up the clump of seed. Then I do a roll/shake to distribute the seed. Other than that,  that's it. Let cool and knock up.








So this is not my own tek here, the technique is rather common and may be done with basically all grains. I personally first read about how to do this in TMC. Once one figures out the moisture content in any grain or substrate,  then it simplifies the hydration process. A more exact point of measure it is.


With the measured scoops handy ,It's never longer than 5 mins to be in the pot and build pressure.
Debatably , an improvement on this met would be to use boiling hot water to pour the measured amount into the waiting jars and allow them to sit overnight. This would germinate the heat sensitive endospores and render them vulnerable to the upcoming sterilization cycle.

Millet is notoriously difficult to properly hydrate. Some benefits I enjoy about the millet are , the many inoculation points and the lower endospore count. Also when hydrated and sterilized properly,  the hard hulls definitely encase and help protect the inner delights , ever so loved by our fungal friends and there opposing villainous competitors.

For a recap- 350ml white millet. 150ml water.lid up ,foil up and pc for 65 mins. Shake once pressure drops.      That's it.

This also works for pints - aprox 175ml millet and 75ml water 

Half pints- aprox 87.5 millet and 37.5ml water.

I personally use this recipe in all these sized jars.
Millet/oats work very well with this also.


DON'T FORGET TO TURN UPSIDE DOWN AND SHAKE IMMEDIATELY AFTER PRESSURE DROPS.


***These measures should be slightly adjusted if the cultivator notices dry or burst grains,  indicating +/- the need for minor adjustments. All in all I have used the exact measurement consistently with many sacks  grain ,without adjustment. Typically a 10% moisture content is approx what most grains are dried to during the processing procedure. Ambient humidity and other environmental factors will effect this starting moisture content.

Also, for anyone wondering about rinsing,  there is no need to rinse if the product is of feed quality. ***


Edited by SannyTIES (05/25/20 07:31 PM)


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: SannyTIES]
    #26632172 - 04/27/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:thumbup:

Im going to check my feed supply next week and see if they can get this stuff. Been wanting to try it out.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Smartattack]
    #26632204 - 04/27/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Millet is my goc


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: shevanel]
    #26632308 - 04/27/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Nice write up. I wonder if my feed store has any also. I tried wheat but only had winter rye so that's what I've been running along with oats and wbs. I want to try just millet.
This tek seems super easy.
Grateful for anything that works grate and is fast and easy.
Thanks man.

Hey what do you use as filter on your lids?


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26632347 - 04/27/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hey there Hobbit, my good buddy.

For filters on my lids I use "cellulose filter disk"




Email/pm me for the source

As far a finding millet, I can almost guarantee that any feed store will order some for you.

White milo is hands down better than millet btw. That's my favorite.



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Re: Millet spawn [Re: SannyTIES]
    #26679220 - 05/18/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

got 50lbs today. getting ready to give this a real shot. i think im try to use 1/2gal.
maybe just stick to qts on first run. idk. well see.
ill post results and pictures.
i havent been on here lately much.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26679417 - 05/18/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

lol half gallon of millet is so much spawn with all those tiny pieces.

I’ve been thinking about doing half gallons too now that I’ve got a big enough cooker.

So far they just store mushrooms but it would be cool to dump half a quart of colonized grain into one and make a jar big enough for a tub.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: A.k.a]
    #26679439 - 05/18/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Half gallons are cool. I love them. I have 6 Mason jar ones and 5 1/2gal pickle jars. They are a little more than half.

I'm stick with qts. They in PC now.

So 65 mins is ok huh. I usually do my grains 120min


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26679552 - 05/18/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Just a note, I found what looks like 1 pound bags of white millet in the grocery store.
Will have to pick up a bag and give it a try, along side WBS


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Bsfixit]
    #26679611 - 05/18/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Just made up about 30 white millet bags. Love it. And on amazon it’s the same price as rye.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26680065 - 05/18/20 11:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ok so I didn't take any pictures.  Kids had phone. So I got a pyrex measuring cup and done 350ml in grain. Put that into a cup, double checked, cut my plastic cup to size.
Easy to load jars that way your right. Plus putting my grain in buckets. Should a already started that.
Used a weird measuring cup I have to do 150ml water each jar.
Shut them up with their lids and put foil on top.
I took your advise and only used 7 jars. I feel like filters would be compromised if I laid 3 over on top the 7.
Vented PC 10 min after it started to boil.
PC for 70 min.
After pressure was released I opened up (doesn't that warp white plastic lids?) While still hot and tipped jars upside down and shook. I accidentally tap side of PC or microwave with jar and it cracked it all the way up. 7-1=6 jars left.
Anyway, this is really fast, easy, clean, doesn't stink bad at all way to do this
I have some burst grain but not much at all.
Thanks bro. This is the kind of stuff I love.

I recomend anyone try this. Follow the tek. Works grate.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26681097 - 05/19/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Here's some pics of the jars today.
 

I'm going to keep doing this. Dont even have to rinse them, soak them, simmer them, dry them. Nothing. Load 350ml/150ml grain/water.
This is to easy to be true. I love it.
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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26681345 - 05/19/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Posting in this thread cause I like the simplicity and want to try it. However, here we have a lockdown RN so getting pure white millet wont be easy. Would 90% millet WBS do?


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: ManifoldPrime]
    #26681546 - 05/19/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for sharing! Millet is awesome, I like how easy it is to do g2g's with. Can confirm this method also works with oats beautifully. (200g of oats to 150 ml / g of water)


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Rapjack]
    #26682023 - 05/19/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Cool. I'm try it on oats. I hate prepping them. I still have 25lbs to use and this be good way to experiment.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26682481 - 05/20/20 02:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

While there are tons of ways to prepare properly hydrated grain spawn...

I personally have used this for oats alone-

Quart /liter jars(divide by 2 for pint )

1 cup of oats
2/3 cup water

I used this too.
1.5 cups oat
175ml water

I explain why 2 measures , try one of each before a whole run.
Oats come in different densities of the inner kernal. Some will swell up real big others not so much. As the cultivator, we must perfect these ourselves.  Good starting points here. Take detailed notes for future reference.

A few more ml/grams water is needed when calcium carbonate/calcium sulfate is used

In my experience and opinion , a over night soak and short simmer is superior to this for oats. This works great with a good shot of liquid culture/liquid inoculate. I quit doing this when I had more than one master jar stall from being dry when inoculated with agar wedges. The oats never really got swollen like in a soak and simmer.



Oats come in different qualities and densities,  so the amount they swell can vary.  This measure works equally for any grade oat.
Oats dont have a big kernal when we buy the horse feed quality.  It's very small kernal covered with alot of hull. This is why most use oats as a filler.

I simple google search/forum search will give all these recipes too guys.

Thanks to all the cultivators who have taken interest in this write up too.

Feel free to pm or email me for cultures ,spores and much more. Trades welcome and spores could be gifted considering circumstances.

For larger amounts(filter patch bags or 10 jars)of oats/millet I personally do a over night soak at room temp(not too long) and short simmer to swell them up. It is possible to over hydrate oats. I rarely run oats alone,  the millet really fills in all the spaces.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: SannyTIES]
    #26682802 - 05/20/20 08:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

This looks so easy. Thanks for the write up. Can’t wait to try.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: RoscoeReturns]
    #26683007 - 05/20/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you for the advice! I'll definitely be giving it a try.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Quagmire75]
    #26684075 - 05/20/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

For some reason it doesn’t bother me to strain out floating sunflower seeds when using wbs. The neighborhood bluejays fucking adore me. Millet, on the other hand, produces such a large volume of floaters while rinsing that it seems wasteful. So I’ve got 30-40 pounds of white millet kicking around and this method is so incredibly simple, why not?! Thanks for the awesome TEK!!! Loading. jars. now.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: georgeM]
    #26747314 - 06/15/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

My oat/millet 50/50 qts kinda got mushy on the bottom and the oats swelled up so much there wasnt any room to shake jar.
So I just dumped them
I'm reading the mushroom cultivator (thanks sannyTIES) and PCing some rye.
Following the directions

Hope they turn out better than the oat/millet mix. Which I want to try again.


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