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Millet spawn (easy , fast millet grain spawn tek) * 4
    #26632156 - 04/27/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hello to all shroomerites out there. Just wanted to share the way I have been successfully making properly hydrated millet grain spawn for sometime now.



Preferred grain for Bulk Substrates,  especially actives ,I use White Millet. Commonly also called white proso. I order and purchase white millet from a feed store 40 miles near my home. I suggest going to a co-op or mom and pop joint to find the goods. Ask the owner to contact there suppliers and order a few sacks.As most box stores dont carry this and usually wont order it. Depending on market, I typically pay 14 to 18 dollars per 50lbs sack. While red can be used, I prefer white. The ease of seeing contamination is the reason.

I am able to make all my jars in less than 5 mins and be in the pressure cooker with fire under the pot.*tip* (a splash of white vinegar will keep white buildup from accumulating on jars from tap water in pressure cooker)

I also only pc 7 jars at a time and do a 65 minute sterilization cycle. Due to the means of hydration,  I dont choose to lay the extra 3 jars sideways. I find it helps with sterilization times to have only 7 too.



I pour the millet into a bucket with lid and keep it in my home lab. In the bucket I keep a cup that has been cut to hold 350ml of seed. Simply get a cup , measure out the seed and cut it at the place where it holds exactly 350ml of seed. This speeds up the whole deal.

I also have a funnel and a ziplock brand little sqaure container. These containers hold 150ml of water. Which is the amount I use per jar.

So i gather all my clean quarts and get them near. Place one in the bucket and proceed to put the funnel in the jar and fill the cup with millet and pour into jar.



After filling all the jars I will be needing for the project I place the jar on the counter, near the sink. I proceed to fill the container to the top and pour into the waiting jars.



Lid up , foil up , and load into pc. I use 65 minutes at 18 psi. I have confidence that 65 minutes at 15psi works , as I done that for a few hundred cycles with Zero issues.

Once the pressure drops, it is imperative to turn jar upside down and smack it to break up the clump of seed. Then I do a roll/shake to distribute the seed. Other than that,  that's it. Let cool and knock up.








So this is not my own tek here, the technique is rather common and may be done with basically all grains. I personally first read about how to do this in TMC. Once one figures out the moisture content in any grain or substrate,  then it simplifies the hydration process. A more exact point of measure it is.


With the measured scoops handy ,It's never longer than 5 mins to be in the pot and build pressure.
Debatably , an improvement on this met would be to use boiling hot water to pour the measured amount into the waiting jars and allow them to sit overnight. This would germinate the heat sensitive endospores and render them vulnerable to the upcoming sterilization cycle.

Millet is notoriously difficult to properly hydrate. Some benefits I enjoy about the millet are , the many inoculation points and the lower endospore count. Also when hydrated and sterilized properly,  the hard hulls definitely encase and help protect the inner delights , ever so loved by our fungal friends and there opposing villainous competitors.

For a recap- 350ml white millet. 150ml water.lid up ,foil up and pc for 65 mins. Shake once pressure drops.      That's it.

This also works for pints - aprox 175ml millet and 75ml water 

Half pints- aprox 87.5 millet and 37.5ml water.

I personally use this recipe in all these sized jars.
Millet/oats work very well with this also.


DON'T FORGET TO TURN UPSIDE DOWN AND SHAKE IMMEDIATELY AFTER PRESSURE DROPS.


***These measures should be slightly adjusted if the cultivator notices dry or burst grains,  indicating +/- the need for minor adjustments. All in all I have used the exact measurement consistently with many sacks  grain ,without adjustment. Typically a 10% moisture content is approx what most grains are dried to during the processing procedure. Ambient humidity and other environmental factors will effect this starting moisture content.

Also, for anyone wondering about rinsing,  there is no need to rinse if the product is of feed quality. ***


Edited by SannyTIES (05/25/20 07:31 PM)


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: SannyTIES]
    #26632172 - 04/27/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbup:

Im going to check my feed supply next week and see if they can get this stuff. Been wanting to try it out.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Smartattack]
    #26632204 - 04/27/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Millet is my goc


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: shevanel]
    #26632308 - 04/27/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Nice write up. I wonder if my feed store has any also. I tried wheat but only had winter rye so that's what I've been running along with oats and wbs. I want to try just millet.
This tek seems super easy.
Grateful for anything that works grate and is fast and easy.
Thanks man.

Hey what do you use as filter on your lids?


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26632347 - 04/27/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey there Hobbit, my good buddy.

For filters on my lids I use "cellulose filter disk"




Email/pm me for the source

As far a finding millet, I can almost guarantee that any feed store will order some for you.

White milo is hands down better than millet btw. That's my favorite.



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Re: Millet spawn [Re: SannyTIES]
    #26679220 - 05/18/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

got 50lbs today. getting ready to give this a real shot. i think im try to use 1/2gal.
maybe just stick to qts on first run. idk. well see.
ill post results and pictures.
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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26679417 - 05/18/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

lol half gallon of millet is so much spawn with all those tiny pieces.

I’ve been thinking about doing half gallons too now that I’ve got a big enough cooker.

So far they just store mushrooms but it would be cool to dump half a quart of colonized grain into one and make a jar big enough for a tub.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: A.k.a]
    #26679439 - 05/18/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Half gallons are cool. I love them. I have 6 Mason jar ones and 5 1/2gal pickle jars. They are a little more than half.

I'm stick with qts. They in PC now.

So 65 mins is ok huh. I usually do my grains 120min


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26679552 - 05/18/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Just a note, I found what looks like 1 pound bags of white millet in the grocery store.
Will have to pick up a bag and give it a try, along side WBS


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Bsfixit]
    #26679611 - 05/18/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Just made up about 30 white millet bags. Love it. And on amazon it’s the same price as rye.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26680065 - 05/18/20 11:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ok so I didn't take any pictures.  Kids had phone. So I got a pyrex measuring cup and done 350ml in grain. Put that into a cup, double checked, cut my plastic cup to size.
Easy to load jars that way your right. Plus putting my grain in buckets. Should a already started that.
Used a weird measuring cup I have to do 150ml water each jar.
Shut them up with their lids and put foil on top.
I took your advise and only used 7 jars. I feel like filters would be compromised if I laid 3 over on top the 7.
Vented PC 10 min after it started to boil.
PC for 70 min.
After pressure was released I opened up (doesn't that warp white plastic lids?) While still hot and tipped jars upside down and shook. I accidentally tap side of PC or microwave with jar and it cracked it all the way up. 7-1=6 jars left.
Anyway, this is really fast, easy, clean, doesn't stink bad at all way to do this
I have some burst grain but not much at all.
Thanks bro. This is the kind of stuff I love.

I recomend anyone try this. Follow the tek. Works grate.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26681097 - 05/19/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Here's some pics of the jars today.
 

I'm going to keep doing this. Dont even have to rinse them, soak them, simmer them, dry them. Nothing. Load 350ml/150ml grain/water.
This is to easy to be true. I love it.
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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26681345 - 05/19/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Posting in this thread cause I like the simplicity and want to try it. However, here we have a lockdown RN so getting pure white millet wont be easy. Would 90% millet WBS do?


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: ManifoldPrime]
    #26681546 - 05/19/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for sharing! Millet is awesome, I like how easy it is to do g2g's with. Can confirm this method also works with oats beautifully. (200g of oats to 150 ml / g of water)


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Rapjack]
    #26682023 - 05/19/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Cool. I'm try it on oats. I hate prepping them. I still have 25lbs to use and this be good way to experiment.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26682481 - 05/20/20 02:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

While there are tons of ways to prepare properly hydrated grain spawn...

I personally have used this for oats alone-

Quart /liter jars(divide by 2 for pint )

1 cup of oats
2/3 cup water

I used this too.
1.5 cups oat
175ml water

I explain why 2 measures , try one of each before a whole run.
Oats come in different densities of the inner kernal. Some will swell up real big others not so much. As the cultivator, we must perfect these ourselves.  Good starting points here. Take detailed notes for future reference.

A few more ml/grams water is needed when calcium carbonate/calcium sulfate is used

In my experience and opinion , a over night soak and short simmer is superior to this for oats. This works great with a good shot of liquid culture/liquid inoculate. I quit doing this when I had more than one master jar stall from being dry when inoculated with agar wedges. The oats never really got swollen like in a soak and simmer.



Oats come in different qualities and densities,  so the amount they swell can vary.  This measure works equally for any grade oat.
Oats dont have a big kernal when we buy the horse feed quality.  It's very small kernal covered with alot of hull. This is why most use oats as a filler.

I simple google search/forum search will give all these recipes too guys.

Thanks to all the cultivators who have taken interest in this write up too.

Feel free to pm or email me for cultures ,spores and much more. Trades welcome and spores could be gifted considering circumstances.

For larger amounts(filter patch bags or 10 jars)of oats/millet I personally do a over night soak at room temp(not too long) and short simmer to swell them up. It is possible to over hydrate oats. I rarely run oats alone,  the millet really fills in all the spaces.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: SannyTIES]
    #26682802 - 05/20/20 08:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

This looks so easy. Thanks for the write up. Can’t wait to try.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: RoscoeReturns]
    #26683007 - 05/20/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you for the advice! I'll definitely be giving it a try.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Quagmire75]
    #26684075 - 05/20/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

For some reason it doesn’t bother me to strain out floating sunflower seeds when using wbs. The neighborhood bluejays fucking adore me. Millet, on the other hand, produces such a large volume of floaters while rinsing that it seems wasteful. So I’ve got 30-40 pounds of white millet kicking around and this method is so incredibly simple, why not?! Thanks for the awesome TEK!!! Loading. jars. now.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: georgeM]
    #26747314 - 06/15/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

My oat/millet 50/50 qts kinda got mushy on the bottom and the oats swelled up so much there wasnt any room to shake jar.
So I just dumped them
I'm reading the mushroom cultivator (thanks sannyTIES) and PCing some rye.
Following the directions

Hope they turn out better than the oat/millet mix. Which I want to try again.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26747372 - 06/15/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Love this tek with millet, will try it with oats because they are a lot cheaper, but for a newbie like me its awesome, even a jar that i forgot to shake and shaked after inoculation is full colonized in 2 weeks with no more shaking.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: marvins]
    #26750300 - 06/16/20 11:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So I just ran my second batch of rye using tek like this. As suggested by Paul's book.

Yesterday I made 7 jars.
240ml rye (1cup)
180-200ml H²O
1/8tsp gypsum
1/4 tsp chalk

Pressure cook 70 min. Shake immediately after the pressure is out of the PC.

They came out tad dry due to the calciums.

The book says that! little did I know. Add 10% more H²0 Paul says.

I did that today. 

240ml rye (1cup)
210-220ml H²0
1/8tsp gypsum
1/4tsp chalk.

They came out almost perfect. I'm glad I tried again and wrote things down and listen to advise from Paul & sannyTies.
Maybe I'd do 210-215ml next time. There was one or 3 burst kernels.  That's it. Like I said. Almost perfect.

I love this tek. Love millet & rye.

Oats I havent tried like this yet alone.

Thank you so much. This is a treasure to me.

I urge anyone to try this simple tek. It's so easy a cave man can do it. :whateverhuman:


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26754308 - 06/18/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Good deal hobbit and marvin! So glad your enjoying this, when we can make spawn this simple and perfectly it gives us time and the Energy to do other things, no matter how crazy they maybe.  I swear I have wasted entire sacks of wbs,oats, corn,rice and other types of grains TRYING to get them prepared right. So when we lock in on a grain we can , 1, find all the time and 2, prepare properly, it's worth sticking with it.


Alot of my personal failures in cultivating mushrooms have come from improper hydration of grain and or substrate.  I'm quite sure most of us can agree to that.

Moisture content Is God.

A great place to start with oats is 1 cup oats to 2/3 cup water. I found I always wanted a bit more in the jar after so I came to this conclusion for each 1/2 cup dry oats put 1/3 cup water. This works for all size jars too!

So with that being said just like all these teks and all these recipes we , as the cultivator,  must improvise to improve on these methods for our own needs. Like the addition of gypsum and calcium carbonate for example.  That shit binds up the water so it will come out a touch on the dry side.

Well. I'm stoked for yall to be successful in all your endeavors ! It's much more enjoyable to not have to worry about if your spawn is gonna turn out good or not.

Oh and I find the calcium carbonate, calcium sulfate really helps tighten up the moisture content or something bcuz I rarely get burst grains , like a few per jar of bag. A burst kernal is what is gonna contaminate, even when its colonized , so it's a really good thing to have less burst grains.

And the oats, the damn oats, I been using them in bags or half gallon jars , but really bags because the oats swell up even after a simmer or soak , I'm never getting the level just right. The jar will be too full or not full enough,  so I use oats in bags, i use 3lbs to 5lbs bags, whatever the spp. Or project is.


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Re: Millet spawn [Re: SannyTIES]
    #26754604 - 06/18/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I followed this tek and have my first grain jars on the way! Hoping the use the best of the 2 to G2G into oats. Seems like they're coming along nicely



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Re: Millet spawn (easy , fast millet grain spawn tek) [Re: SannyTIES]
    #27199302 - 02/11/21 12:36 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

This recipe looks great, any tips on getting it to work in a pasteurizer? My pressure cooking capabilities are inadequate for the amount grainspawn required


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Re: Millet spawn (easy , fast millet grain spawn tek) [Re: SannyTIES]
    #27673074 - 02/25/22 12:56 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Can anyone confirm the weight of 350ml of millet?  I do not have a good way to accurately measure volume but I do have a pretty good scale.

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Re: Millet spawn (easy , fast millet grain spawn tek) [Re: wildlifesc]
    #27673866 - 02/26/22 06:10 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Quote:

wildlifesc said:
Can anyone confirm the weight of 350ml of millet?  I do not have a good way to accurately measure volume but I do have a pretty good scale.

thanks!



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Re: Millet spawn (easy , fast millet grain spawn tek) [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #27673903 - 02/26/22 06:59 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Just to clarify — what is the weight of 350ml of millet in grams?  ml is a measure of volume, I'd like to know what the equivalent measure is in grams.  In other word — what is the effective density of millet?  Thanks.


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Re: Millet spawn (easy , fast millet grain spawn tek) [Re: SannyTIES]
    #27717191 - 04/01/22 09:54 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I know I'm extremely late to this thread, but I just wanted to say: SannyTIES, I tried this tek today, and it has revolutionized the way I prepare my spawn jars. Today, I got 14 jars ready to knock up in half the time it would normally take me. Thank you for the excellent process, my dude.


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Re: Millet spawn (easy , fast millet grain spawn tek) [Re: SannyTIES]
    #28111052 - 12/24/22 11:58 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Hey sorry to bump a old thread here..
This is awesome tek!
I was curious if this same method would work with WBS? Just leave sun flower seeds in and all..?


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Re: Millet spawn (easy , fast millet grain spawn tek) [Re: jakemp]
    #28111495 - 12/24/22 08:59 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Old thread, but I also read it earlier this week.

Just ran 250g millet to 135ml water and it seems to have worked out very nicely. Needed breaking up after cooking while still hot, but surprisingly wasn’t overly sticky/clumpy and minimal burst grain.

Weigh a cup of dry WBS, hydrate appropriately and re-weigh. Theoretically the difference in grams should be around the correct amount of water to use (in ml’s) for a no-prep.

I suspect the varying grain size in WBS might be more difficult to hydrate uniformly than straight millet, but would probably work fine. Especially considering many have success simply soaking their wbs and PC’ing.


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Re: Millet spawn (easy , fast millet grain spawn tek) [Re: Nonagon]
    #28113068 - 12/26/22 04:22 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Ill do some trial and error! :smile:

I also tried this tek with 10 jars instead of 7. Only thing I changed was the pressure cook time. I did a hour and 35 mins. I noticed with this time the millet wasnt as stuck to the bottom of the jars as the 65 min batch was..


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Re: Millet spawn (easy , fast millet grain spawn tek) [Re: SannyTIES]
    #28231168 - 03/15/23 08:32 PM (10 months, 8 days ago)

Where do you get your millet?


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Re: Millet spawn (easy , fast millet grain spawn tek) [Re: Akamykedee]
    #28235304 - 03/18/23 03:34 PM (10 months, 6 days ago)

I have tried probably ten 2lb~3lb bags of WBS with this and they always come out bacterial.  No mold, just lots of condensation after a while (bacterial).  I have tried different PC times up to 3.5 hours — you would think nothing would be alive after that.  Don't know where the bacteria is coming from...


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Re: Millet spawn (easy , fast millet grain spawn tek) [Re: wildlifesc]
    #28235420 - 03/18/23 04:53 PM (10 months, 6 days ago)

Your sterile technique, agar, or GE filters.


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Re: Millet spawn (easy , fast millet grain spawn tek) [Re: Screwup]
    #28236659 - 03/19/23 01:59 PM (10 months, 5 days ago)

Since bacteria don't fly around in the air, I would think it's not the filter.  Also would be a little surprising if all the filter on my bags are bad.

Agar and sterile technique: if it's one of those I would expect to see contam in my agar plate, but most of my agar plates look clean, so not quite sure what is going on.


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Re: Millet spawn (easy , fast millet grain spawn tek) [Re: wildlifesc]
    #28236674 - 03/19/23 02:04 PM (10 months, 5 days ago)

Bacteria…doesn’t exist in the air?

Post pics of your plates, bags, and jars. It’s one of them.


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Re: Millet spawn (easy , fast millet grain spawn tek) [Re: Screwup]
    #28237996 - 03/20/23 12:04 PM (10 months, 4 days ago)

This is what my plates typically look like.  This one isn't completely uniform so I would do one more transfer until I get a completely uniform-looking plate to put to grain.




These are how my 2lb bags always turn out.  They start out with dry looking grains and over time with colonization it starts to have condensation and become really wet-looking.



Bacteria can attach to dust particles, etc but they don't tend to just fly off into the air by themselves.  My plates don't seem to have bacteria so it's weird that my bags always get them...


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Re: Millet spawn (easy , fast millet grain spawn tek) [Re: wildlifesc]
    #28238007 - 03/20/23 12:16 PM (10 months, 4 days ago)

Your plates don’t look good and your bags don’t look good because of that. That looks like you got some mold enmeshed nicely in there.

Regardless of them being able to exist on dust, vapor, or water droplets…that’s kind of a large makeup of your environment and bacteria is everywhere.


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    #28238251 - 03/20/23 04:06 PM (10 months, 4 days ago)

What features do you look at to identify mold in those plates?  It just looks like tomentose mycelium to me... also no visible bacterial spots in the plates at all. What specifically stands out to you about those plates that signifies contamination?


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Re: Millet spawn (easy , fast millet grain spawn tek) [Re: wildlifesc]
    #28253280 - 03/29/23 04:55 PM (9 months, 26 days ago)

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I have tried probably ten 2lb~3lb bags of WBS with this and they always come out bacterial.  No mold, just lots of condensation after a while (bacterial).  I have tried different PC times up to 3.5 hours — you would think nothing would be alive after that.  Don't know where the bacteria is coming from...




How much water are you using? Have you tried making new batches of agar plates? Maybe try a different grain using the same/similar methods and same plates. If its bacterial still its not the grain/prep method.


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    #28253459 - 03/29/23 06:53 PM (9 months, 26 days ago)

I use about 2:1 grain:water ratio (by weight).  I've used several different agar plates and tried two different grain mixes.  My PC cooks at ~119C and only occasionally hit 121C (standard for 15 psi).  That could be a potential issue but I tried to compensate for that by cooking a lot longer, like over 3 hours.


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    #28253562 - 03/29/23 07:57 PM (9 months, 26 days ago)

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I use about 2:1 grain:water ratio (by weight).  I've used several different agar plates and tried two different grain mixes.  My PC cooks at ~119C and only occasionally hit 121C (standard for 15 psi).  That could be a potential issue but I tried to compensate for that by cooking a lot longer, like over 3 hours.



yeah, if your pcing for that long its not your grain that is the issue.

When you say 2 different grain mixes, both bird seed mixes? or just grain in general?


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    #28255145 - 03/30/23 06:28 PM (9 months, 25 days ago)

Two different bird seed mixes.  The first bag I went through was a higher quality WBS with mostly millets.  Second bag I bought turned out to have a lot of cracked corn.  Both gave similar results though in terms of how the grain spawn turned out.


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    #28296311 - 04/26/23 02:47 PM (8 months, 29 days ago)

Yo yo, long time been out on the road but I'm back.

Bacterial contam from exposed nutrients loose in the bag from cracked corn.  Its really due to LACK of OXYGEN in the gain crumpets baby baby. Thus creating ideal situ for demms bactis boils. Corn and crinnaked kern is terrible about having all that loose powder in the grain, so rinse thems  off for a little better time.like bookoo water runneth over thyne crack kern.

Loose nutes in le powder form which just may cause les clumping and not so much particle separation,  aka lack of oxymorphone, or oxycontin Excuse me, oxygen 😉 yes oxyGEN o²
That's the issue. Considering the other "constellation of variables at play" as Mr. Stay mentz would say so gangsterificly as only the Ah man due hat wearing 3X OG he izz.


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Re: Millet spawn (easy , fast millet grain spawn tek) [Re: SannyTIES]
    #28538911 - 11/11/23 03:15 PM (2 months, 16 days ago)

This tek is not mine. I found out about it here (shroomery) and there (youtube) and mixed them up.
This is a detailed report of how to do it + my own experience:

I have benefited from this tek a great deal
So I want to contribute after 2 year and many successful grows with it.

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I use a WMF pressure cooker (maybe 8L) can't use bigger because reasons.
It fits 4 pickle jars (650cc) inside (got 50 active jars)

Change the numbers if you need
Chat gpt will help you. no need to calculate:

180 gr (240 ml) of millet
100 ml tap water
1/4 - 1/8 tea spoon of Gypsum

Update: Do not use Gypsum. It make the bottom seeds more sticky

I don't know if gypsum is helping but I got it and some say it's good. I tried no gypsum successfully too 🤷‍♂️

This is how I do it:

A 240ml standard kitchen cup of millet is around 180g, but you can cut a plastic bottle with your desired volume). double check this on a scale to get the hang of it. you need to level the top with your finger. But 5 grams more or less won't make a difference. It's not rocket science guys 😁 I keep millet in a 20L bucket. I Scope it with kitchen cup and using a jar filling funnel fill my jars (usually 40 jars)

Then I put my gypsum on top. It also serves as an indicator for me to see which jar I poured water into. When the white powder is gone ...

Then I use a 100ml measuring cylinder and add water. I fill the cylinder from a Pitcher to avoid unnecessary travels to the kitchen sink.
Its not nessasary but If I can afford the time I let them soak up to 12 hours. More or less doesn't matter but I never go past 24 hours.
it's OK if you don't soak at all. Because I got a small PC some soaking will happen no matter what and it will do no harm. It's even beneficial.




I drilled single 6mm holes on my jar lids. no need for multiple holes or any mumbo jambo. Then put two layers of micropore tape on it. I never change this tape. They will work forever unless punctured by mistake. You can always protect your spawn by putting them out of the way of air circulation. Maybe put them in your tubs or a closet.

I shake the jars a little before putting them in pressure cooker to distribute the lower wet grains with more dry ones on top and put a foil on jars. I don't know if the foil is nessasary but I already cut out 100 heavy duty foil pieces that are forever reusable.

- pressure cook for 90 min. 90 min startes after PC reaches 15 psi. my pressure cooker won't even get to real 15psi. It's around 13.5 but its alright. Never ever had any contam with it.

Note: when I was using spawn bag I had contamination even with 90 min. It's not enough for bags. Maybe 2-2.5 hours will do as I have seen in a youtube channel (humble fungus). He is a great guy and quite funny. Go see his 2 videos on millet prep (His ratio is different)

👉 important tip : "don't" shake the jars immediately after opening PC (not because they are hot)

I dont let PC depressurize on its own because have to do this 10-15 times. so I open the release valve immediately after 90 min is up. After opening the pressure cooker I let them sit there for 10 minutes then shake. This way The bottom millets that stuck to jar will come loose easily. So let them rest a little!

Mycilium really doesn't care about clumped up millet in the bottom
But its better to redistribute the more moist bottom grains.
I'm sure it will be alright even if you don't shake.

Final tip: use a pair of cheap industrial heat resistant gloves for handling jars. It's better than kitchen gloves. They are usually made of suede.



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    #28549158 - 11/19/23 12:59 PM (2 months, 8 days ago)

If you are using quart jars:

350 ml = 260 gr millet + 150 water


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