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Re: I have done PF Tek and want to go bigger. I don't know where to start. [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26631289 - 04/27/20 03:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, its a workaround for agar use and seems like the next LogicaL step for the PF Tek.
Plus some Shroomery Sponsors sell grain bags and grain jars which might be viable. Havent tried it thou.
I was thinking of trying it too with some of these blue glass Quart Jars: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ball-1440069024-Collection-Elite-Wide-Mouth-Mason-Jar-1-Qt-Blue-4-Pack/133068823308?hash=item1efb851b0c:g:R6cAAOSwt69d8fyO
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Re: I have done PF Tek and want to go bigger. I don't know where to start. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26631294 - 04/27/20 03:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Any idea how many grams of oats go in 3/4 quarts? Organic whole oats are expensive and I dont feel like ordering a 20-30kg bag
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Re: I have done PF Tek and want to go bigger. I don't know where to start. [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26631297 - 04/27/20 03:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hard to say. Never really measured it 
Theres got to be a weight to volume spawn calculator somewhere....
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Re: I have done PF Tek and want to go bigger. I don't know where to start. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26631298 - 04/27/20 03:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah I will just google that
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Re: I have done PF Tek and want to go bigger. I don't know where to start. [Re: InnerWisdom] 1
#26631314 - 04/27/20 03:58 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You're looking at the wrong places for oats. Look at farming/feed stores. If you live in a more urban area, WBS might be more easily available to you.
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To my understanding, spore syringe is too dirty for MS to syringe.
It's definitely not a 100% reliable method. IMO, PF cake -> grain would fall into a similar range, especially for a noob.
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Re: I have done PF Tek and want to go bigger. I don't know where to start. [Re: poisoned]
#26631317 - 04/27/20 03:59 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Whoops, that was a typo. I meant MS syringe to Grain is risky and should be avoided by using agar or by using PF cakes as spawn.
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Re: I have done PF Tek and want to go bigger. I don't know where to start. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26631336 - 04/27/20 04:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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PF cakes are probably just as risky is my point. PF cakes don't provide any benefits of agar.
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Re: I have done PF Tek and want to go bigger. I don't know where to start. [Re: poisoned]
#26631337 - 04/27/20 04:21 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Are they thou? Have you experienced this first hand?
PF cakes do not have any benefits to agar except they don't need a PC.
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Re: I have done PF Tek and want to go bigger. I don't know where to start. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26631350 - 04/27/20 04:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You'll need a PC if you're doing grains anyways. What I meant to say is that PF tek doesn't provide any benefits in term of cleaning cultures like agar does. Agar works because you can visually inspect your culture. It probably worked for eat because he's experienced as fuck, meaning his spores were very clean, his cakes were very clean and he had a lot of experience with transfers.
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Re: I have done PF Tek and want to go bigger. I don't know where to start. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26631351 - 04/27/20 04:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pf cakes as inoculants at least colonize very rapidly. Spores take a long time to germinate. That is my understanding so far anyways.
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Re: I have done PF Tek and want to go bigger. I don't know where to start. [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26631353 - 04/27/20 04:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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InnerWisdom said: Pf cakes as inoculants at least colonize very rapidly. Spores take a long time to germinate. That is my understanding so far anyways.
You need to take cake colonization time into the calculation. Cakes are slow as fuck.
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Re: I have done PF Tek and want to go bigger. I don't know where to start. [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26631355 - 04/27/20 04:34 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am definitely going agar soon. I just have some brf cakes going atm.
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Re: I have done PF Tek and want to go bigger. I don't know where to start. [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26631362 - 04/27/20 04:38 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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These cakes were actually inoculated with agar that I got from a friend (the agar was nocd by ne). No dry verm, just dropped the agar in in an SAB after steaming. Seems good so far and they are about half way through. Maybe I just got lucky.
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Re: I have done PF Tek and want to go bigger. I don't know where to start. [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26631371 - 04/27/20 04:53 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's pretty cool. Does the lid have a filter or is it just 4 inoculate holes with tin foil covering it?
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Re: I have done PF Tek and want to go bigger. I don't know where to start. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26631462 - 04/27/20 06:04 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I used micropore tape at first but now that the mycelium has colonised the top completely I figured I would give it some more air by removing the tape altogether, since it was really fluffy I thought it needed air. The holes were so tiny I was afraid I would stall the growth otherwise. It looks fine now. Maybe I didnt have to do it, dont know.
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Re: I have done PF Tek and want to go bigger. I don't know where to start. [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26631467 - 04/27/20 06:06 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Are these PF Tek cake jars?
Do you leave the tin foil on or just open-air it?
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Re: I have done PF Tek and want to go bigger. I don't know where to start. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26631474 - 04/27/20 06:10 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes just pf tek jars steamed and nocd with agar. I decided to nit add dry verm later either and just go with the mpore tape. Foil was on during steaming. Now its just open air. Sounds a bit worrying to be honest but they are in a closet shelf with no air flow so I figured contams would not get into the uncolonized substrate easily anyways and whats it gonna do on top of the mycelium.
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Re: I have done PF Tek and want to go bigger. I don't know where to start. [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26631478 - 04/27/20 06:11 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Huh interesting. So no protective layer at all. Just open-air. And the top of the PF cake mixture doesn't show any mold?
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#26631486 - 04/27/20 06:15 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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No it still looks like mycelium to me, might be mold as well though well I guess I will know if green or black shows up. There is healthy hyphae goibg all round but I cant know if theres mold growing somewhere there.
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Re: I have done PF Tek and want to go bigger. I don't know where to start. [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26631489 - 04/27/20 06:17 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sounds awesome! I always wondered if you could use agar with PF cakes. Now I know its totally possible!
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