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Stalled cakes after the first flush 1
#26631207 - 04/27/20 02:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's the second flush season and my cakes have stalled. No hyphae knots, no mushroomy smell...nada. There is a bit off a fruity damp smell in the whole chamber. But not too much when I smell them individually. Some have almost no smell. Not even mushroomy.
My first flush was not great either. Not all cakes fruited. Some had small mushrooms. Even though they all produced a lot of knots and they were all fresh and perfect. After the second dunk and roll (with sterilized vermiculite) they all smelled wonderful. I did the dunk in cold faucet water. That might have sent them back a bit. But I don't like the other signs. They all seem to be in good weight. They all seem to maintain proper humidity between mists and fans (3 times a day). Even better now compared with the first flush.
I did everything by the RR books, regarding the preparation, with MS solution made from a print.
Here are some pics:
 It's a high size image. You can open it in a new window for detail. It looks a little bit yellowish and there are some spidery things on top. Not sure if it is mycelium. One of them had some primordia but they got covered.
Bottom:

Chamber:
 (It is lifted 1-2 inches off the ground, at least 6 inches from all sides at the end of a small kitchen. And 4 inches depth of perlite. Not sure if it is something wrong with the sgfc since one cake even behave beautifully and it gave some beautiful big mushrooms)
My question is what should I do with them? It has been 8-9 days after the second dunk&roll. After the first flush, I waited only 3 days and knots appeared everywhere. The dunking temperature was the same as for the second dunk. I don't know about waiting... I feel like with each day these cakes are losing some battle. Like they are getting suffocated. I have read that some people had success with casing them when they seemed dead. Case them in some trays with vermiculite?
I will like to mention that this is my first grow pf-tek style. I had great success several times with grain to poo, almost without fail. In worst conditions, first time without vermiculite and perlite. Experimenting with different replacements and they all worked. I just wanted to experiment with pf-tek after 6 years of a total break from growing. But I wouldn't mind turning the tables and having some shrooms from these cakes. After this, I will return to bulk. Thanks!
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Re: Stalled cakes after the first flush [Re: Raptoralic]
#26631236 - 04/27/20 02:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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They look dry. Did you dunk for 24 hours?
Also, I would add more wet perlite to your SGFC.
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Re: Stalled cakes after the first flush [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26631254 - 04/27/20 03:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I took the picture first thing in the morning, before misting after the night brake. I try to keep them moist.
24 hours dunk, yes. With little weight on top so they can stay submerged.
OK. I will add more wet perlite.
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Re: Stalled cakes after the first flush [Re: Raptoralic]
#26631258 - 04/27/20 03:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Id also recommend bottom-watering in that tin-foil saucer plate you have under each cake.
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Re: Stalled cakes after the first flush [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26631287 - 04/27/20 03:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I went in and washed all the perlite for better hydration. Added some more. And I will make some new foils to allow bottom watering! You don't think I also have a contaminant? The weight seems good...do you think I should wash the verm, rinse them good, dunk and roll them again?
Thanks a lot for your advice!!
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Re: Stalled cakes after the first flush [Re: Raptoralic] 1
#26631305 - 04/27/20 03:52 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds good. If the cakes feel light, then yes dunk for 24hrs. No need to roll again.
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Re: Stalled cakes after the first flush [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26631366 - 04/27/20 04:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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OK. I will not dunk for now. I will see how this goes for a few days.
Two more questions:
Wouldn't the clean of the cake under the faucet before dunk wash all the vermiculite off the cake? This is what I didn't get when reading about topic. I was reluctant to roll again after the first flush but I did it anyway.
I made the little boats for bottom watering and placed the cake in them with water. But it puts me a little bit off keeping the cake that was not cleaned there and have rested 8-9 days. Some of them have a little bit of dumpy sweet smell. But it is very subtle. Not like an obvious contaminant. But again, if I would have washed it before, all the verm would have come off. And also, should I change the water from time to time? How often?
Thanks again! I feel better now. Everything smells perlity again inside. I think the perlite emanated some dampness too. (I didn't clean it between flushes). I never thought that "beginners" pf-tek is more challenging for me than bulk. But as a hobbyist, it feels nice to have tried the pf-tek. I will try it again in the future.
Edited by Raptoralic (04/27/20 04:50 AM)
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Re: Stalled cakes after the first flush [Re: Raptoralic] 1
#26631377 - 04/27/20 04:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The water will dry up after awhile from the bottom boat things.
Yes, clean the verm off the cake before dunking.
Its not a bad idea to clean cakes off as long as there is no pins growing.
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