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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods] * 3
    #26630206 - 04/26/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Pretty shocking study here. They did pretty extensive medial workups on the passengers of the diamond princess. Turns out over 50% of the asymptomatic cases had abnormal lung opacities.

https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/ryct.2020200110




Yeah. The scarring on the lungs suggests permanent damage. Plus, there’s been an upturn in strokes even among people with mild pulmunary problems including young people.

And because we’re so obsessed with pretending we got this beat and opening the states early round two is coming and round two is going to be even more deadly.

Already approaching the number of American deaths as in Vietnam just a couple months in and people think it’s over. It’s not over. It’s just getting cranked up.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #26630229 - 04/26/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Trying to be positive myself and hope the worst is over and most people got it already and the states will be reopened slowly as possible in areas with least cases and we all get over it and get back go work and everything turns out alright. Evidence to me is suggesting so many people had this tests did not pick up on the tens of millions who did and antibody tests are needed to prove it. In such case the continued lockdowns are almost useless and not locked down enough anyway and the spread already happened and it cannot get much worst and the opening will be even better. It will be real slow anyway so if anything starts getting worst they will surely lock back down. Not even for real they will lock down like this limited but drive through available. I very much hope the older and pre condition more at risk people avoid contact as much as possible for several months. No one can make them. Well except the government.

Very good feelings there will not be a "second worst round."


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26630233 - 04/26/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Are the antibody tests proven valid yet. No false positives



The New York survey had a terrible methodology. They advertised locations on the radio and people showed up first come first serve. Completely the opposite of a random sample


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #26630245 - 04/26/20 04:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Trying to be positive myself and hope the worst is over and most people got it already and the states will be reopened slowly as possible in areas with least cases and we all get over it and get back go work and everything turns out alright. Evidence to me is suggesting so many people had this tests did not pick up on the tens of millions who did and antibody tests are needed to prove it. In such case the continued lockdowns are almost useless and not locked down enough anyway and the spread already happened and it cannot get much worst and the opening will be even better. It will be real slow anyway so if anything starts getting worst they will surely lock back down. Not even for real they will lock down like this limited but drive through available. I very much hope the older and pre condition more at risk people avoid contact as much as possible for several months. No one can make them. Well except the government.

Very good feelings there will not be a "second worst round."




If you can be reinfected multiple times we’re super fucked. Especially if the second or third punch is the one more likely to kill you.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods] * 2
    #26630249 - 04/26/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The antibody tests are useless. If you look on the quest site it says antibodies from other Coronaviruses can cause false positives


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26630252 - 04/26/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I dont think you can have a viable antibody test without being close to having a viable vaccine


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: cannabinated]
    #26630294 - 04/26/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That’s absurd


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26630336 - 04/26/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

ur out of order


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: cannabinated] * 3
    #26630351 - 04/26/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hiv antibody test available in 1984. No vaccine 2020


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 1
    #26630355 - 04/26/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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imachavel said:
Trying to be positive myself and hope the worst is over and most people got it already and the states will be reopened slowly as possible in areas with least cases and we all get over it and get back go work and everything turns out alright. Evidence to me is suggesting so many people had this tests did not pick up on the tens of millions who did and antibody tests are needed to prove it. In such case the continued lockdowns are almost useless and not locked down enough anyway and the spread already happened and it cannot get much worst and the opening will be even better. It will be real slow anyway so if anything starts getting worst they will surely lock back down. Not even for real they will lock down like this limited but drive through available. I very much hope the older and pre condition more at risk people avoid contact as much as possible for several months. No one can make them. Well except the government.

Very good feelings there will not be a "second worst round."




If you can be reinfected multiple times we’re super fucked. Especially if the second or third punch is the one more likely to kill you.







Try not to get too hung up on this. Yes it's scary, and yes the antibody tests have a lot of problems, but with SARS, with MERS, with other coronaviruses, people who are infected have significant immunity(for SARs and MERs it's like 2-3 years).

The reason why WHO has to be specific about this is because this is so new and we just don't have enough data yet - and governments are trying to legislate around this for reopening efforts, so it has to be crystal clear.

I am skeptical about a lot of reports about reinfection, myself. Seems like for some folks it just takes a long ass time to get rid of the virus. 5+ weeks doesn't seem that unusual, unfortunately.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26630375 - 04/26/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
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imachavel said:
Trying to be positive myself and hope the worst is over and most people got it already and the states will be reopened slowly as possible in areas with least cases and we all get over it and get back go work and everything turns out alright. Evidence to me is suggesting so many people had this tests did not pick up on the tens of millions who did and antibody tests are needed to prove it. In such case the continued lockdowns are almost useless and not locked down enough anyway and the spread already happened and it cannot get much worst and the opening will be even better. It will be real slow anyway so if anything starts getting worst they will surely lock back down. Not even for real they will lock down like this limited but drive through available. I very much hope the older and pre condition more at risk people avoid contact as much as possible for several months. No one can make them. Well except the government.

Very good feelings there will not be a "second worst round."




If you can be reinfected multiple times we’re super fucked. Especially if the second or third punch is the one more likely to kill you.







Try not to get too hung up on this. Yes it's scary, and yes the antibody tests have a lot of problems, but with SARS, with MERS, with other coronaviruses, people who are infected have significant immunity(for SARs and MERs it's like 2-3 years).

The reason why WHO has to be specific about this is because this is so new and we just don't have enough data yet - and governments are trying to legislate around this for reopening efforts, so it has to be crystal clear.

I am skeptical about a lot of reports about reinfection, myself. Seems like for some folks it just takes a long ass time to get rid of the virus. 5+ weeks doesn't seem that unusual, unfortunately.




I respect what you’re saying and appreciate how you explained it.

Honestly - I just think it’s too early to reopen and I’m scared about going back to work or being forced into the community.

I’m fat. High blood pressure. Officially pre-diabetic. Asthma. Over 50.

I’m just not down with just let everyone get it position. And someone in my circle died last night. Someone who is married to someone who works with my wife.

Plus our financials. I’m always pessimistic but this is new territory of goddamn.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #26630401 - 04/26/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I feel you - and hey, even for someone with co-morbidities, this is not a death sentence, even if it is particularly scary the odds are still in your favor.  And yeah, I'm not down with just letting everyone get it either - I'm low risk(well, hopefully, there is a slim risk of me being exposed to TB unfortunately) and it still terrifies me! I think society will basically collapse. Yes, NYC is a bit unique in terms of density, but rural areas are far from immune and when they do get hit, they will have nowhere near the resources that major cities have access to. It's a bad idea, imo. I think some of the more cavalier states that have reopened are probably going to prove that, in the next 2-4 weeks.


Sorry about your acquaintance. Hang in there. If you can manage to stay under lock down, disinfect your groceries(curbside or delivery only, preferably), etc., then your chances of getting it are still pretty slim.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #26630433 - 04/26/20 05:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

HIV is a nasty retrovirus and I know there are many ways to produce a vaccine...

but this is so new and unstudied and moving so slow and it all revolves around spike protein models and glycoprotein interactions which are yet to be elucidated n shit


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26630440 - 04/26/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

My wife deals with high risk people all day at her job and it is definitely in her work space. She has had to buy her own masks even still. She changes and showers when she gets home. I know this is really negative but I’m pretty sure this is going to be the end for us. She doesn’t want to quit her job and I’m just trying to be as supportive as I can. We social distance at home but I mean it’s home and my wife.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #26630466 - 04/26/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ah man I hate to hear that. Stressing over it will only lower your immune system and I am sure it’s hard to not stress over this when you’re high risk. Change you life style if you can. Eat healthier and exercise more. It’s only going to improve your odds of beating it. I know it seems like an uphill battle but if you have the will to make it through this then you can do it.

Myself I am low risk. I run s lawn maintenance company so I am constantly exercising in the sun and I am like 90% vegetarian. I slowly switched almost all my meat to mushrooms.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: FSHuntings]
    #26630471 - 04/26/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I appreciate that man


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: cannabinated]
    #26630515 - 04/26/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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HIV is a nasty retrovirus and I know there are many ways to produce a vaccine...

but this is so new and unstudied and moving so slow and it all revolves around spike protein models and glycoprotein interactions which are yet to be elucidated n shit




2 people have been cured of HIV in history.

In both cases the people had chemotherapy and bone marrow transplants. A somewhat half assed theory is that the people were so unhealthy from chemotherapy that all their T cells were killed and the HIV could no longer replicate and died off then with the bone marrow transplant the patients had new T cells introduced compatible that reproduced.

LOL that last theory is impossible. For many reasons but lets not get into that. The much better plausible idea is that each of these people who had a bone marrow transplant had an immunity given to them by the people who transplanted the bone marrow. Studies on these people seem to have turned up no results on how the immunity developed.

Amazing but remember the cure to smallpox was originally getting cowpox as getting cowpox developed an immunity that seemed to make someone resistant to smallpox. Then later a specific smallpox vaccine was developed. Perhaps the cure to HIV is an immunity to some similar immuno virus yet we just do not know what it is. Who knows really.

I guess similarly Koods has this suggestion that a false positive can be tested for corona virus by having an immunity to a similar SARS type virus. Well is it proven this immunity does not also make someone immune to corona virus? How do we know? We know so little of this. Its beyond me how any of this makes sense. A virus that leaves some people untouched as asymptomatic carriers yet infects others and its a death sentence? Who in gods name has any idea where this thing was engineered.... Err... I mean where this developed.

Who knows what we will find out.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: imachavel] * 2
    #26630582 - 04/26/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Only in humanity could you have an individual worried about a virus with a 1% mortality rate while simultaneously consuming processed food.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26630597 - 04/26/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:usa::hippie:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: InfiniteDreams] * 1
    #26630610 - 04/26/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Only in humanity could you have an individual worried about a virus with a 1% mortality rate while simultaneously consuming processed food.




It’s the acute immediacy of it but that’s definitely a valid point.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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