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Re: Psilocybe ovoid indoor cultivation [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26629301 - 04/26/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Are ovoids the only wood lovers that will readily fruit indoors?


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Re: Psilocybe ovoid indoor cultivation [Re: DrkNchldLike]
    #26629360 - 04/26/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

No. I have done a similar indoor fruiting with P. stuntzii and have seen it done with other wood lovers. There are teks out there for indoor cold weather species as well.

I think the Stuntzae group are a little more warm weather forgiving. Ovoids fruit in the spring and fall but stuntzii are almost rear round where they are native. Subs would be another good one for all our down under friends... there are quite a few species out there I think would make great indoor cultivars.


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Re: Psilocybe ovoid indoor cultivation [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26629729 - 04/26/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That’s very interesting,. I have a print of Ps. Cyan and Ps. Alennii ,. How well do you believe these ones would perform if any?


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Re: Psilocybe ovoid indoor cultivation [Re: DrkNchldLike]
    #26629767 - 04/26/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Do some research but I think they would do just fine if you can ensure a proper climate control for cooler temps.
I am currently colonizing chips with local P. cyan right now... they are almost ready for fruiting. I found these this last winter.. again featured in a previous post.

There is a lot of info out there if you search for it on how to do indoor cold weather Psilocybe. I know I spent a lot of time researching and reading for myself on how to do this.


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Re: Psilocybe ovoid indoor cultivation [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26630156 - 04/26/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Not Ovoids

Sorry brah



So what are they brah? You gonna offer up your expertise and grace us all with an explanation???
These are from a patch I have been pulling ovoids out of since Nov. check my previous posts and you will see.
Myself, AR, and many others believe these to be ovoids.




Your little patch in Nov may be Ovoids

These you grew are not

Notice all the macro differences

Sorry brobrah

Not as easy indoors as you assumed :kiss:


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Re: Psilocybe ovoid indoor cultivation [Re: Ryzo]
    #26630172 - 04/26/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Idk what they are but that paper went out of the way to point out the difference in how wild and indoor ones can look.

The thing that I noticed most about the ones they did was the veil remnant was super low


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Re: Psilocybe ovoid indoor cultivation [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26630279 - 04/26/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Just an exhibition for anyone interested to see
First flush on a tub of ovoids


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Nice grow:thumbup:
I looked at the specimens from your original find here.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26320034
....and with your cultivated specimens above I'm fairly certain they are Psilocybe stuntzii not P. ovoideocystidiata.

If you have access to a microscope you could take a look at the cheilocystidia or sterile cells on the edge of the gills and describe the shape, with that information it will be easy to tell which species it's more likely to be.


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Re: Psilocybe ovoid indoor cultivation [Re: inski]
    #26630287 - 04/26/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Those wild clusters are crazy dense.


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Re: Psilocybe ovoid indoor cultivation [Re: A.k.a]
    #26630297 - 04/26/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

P. stuntzii is described as fruiting scattered to gregarious in dense clusters.


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Re: Psilocybe ovoid indoor cultivation [Re: inski]
    #26630560 - 04/26/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

P stuntzii is nowhere near this potent. It does not feature gills that are slightly decurrent as well as they have a much more developed annulus that sits higher on the stem. The gills don’t look anything like stuntzii. All that plus the overall size and girth of these and the shapes of the caps have me and AR and some of the shroomery OG convinced they are ovoids... The young and older stages look exactly like ovoids. Plus the time of year and location is right. I don’t know of any stuntzii that happens naturally in Southern California in fall and spring... none. In fact in my area I am the only recording of finding stuntzii here and they didn’t look at all like these.

Here are some stuntzii for comparison.



There are huge differences in how they can look. Huge differences. Note the very apparent cheilocystidia on the stuntzii that is not apparent on ovoids. Plus the very apparent blue annulus which is why they are called blue ringers...

When I have experienced people who have done this before say to me “good job that looks exactly like mine” that tells me something

I have done a lot of research on this and I’m sorry but I disagree strongly with your ID.

Have you ever grown this species? What experience do you have to say otherwise?

In every bit of research I have uncovered they have all spent a lot of time explaining the variability in ovoids.


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Re: Psilocybe ovoid indoor cultivation [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26630589 - 04/26/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)



Here are shots of the same patch fruiting just a few weeks ago for spring. Still think they are P stuntzii?


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Re: Psilocybe ovoid indoor cultivation [Re: inski]
    #26630595 - 04/26/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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inski said:
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SocalJosh said:
Just an exhibition for anyone interested to see
First flush on a tub of ovoids


Hope everyone is safe and healthy
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Nice grow:thumbup:
I looked at the specimens from your original find here.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26320034
....and with your cultivated specimens above I'm fairly certain they are Psilocybe stuntzii not P. ovoideocystidiata.

If you have access to a microscope you could take a look at the cheilocystidia or sterile cells on the edge of the gills and describe the shape, with that information it will be easy to tell which species it's more likely to be.




I agree it would be simple. Unfortunately I do not have a microscope good enough for that. However barring that I am confident that they are ovoids. Or they must be the most potent stuntzii on record.


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Re: Psilocybe ovoid indoor cultivation [Re: inski]
    #26630625 - 04/26/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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inski said:

not P. ovoideocystidiata.






This.


Sorry kiddo.


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Re: Psilocybe ovoid indoor cultivation [Re: SocalJosh] * 1
    #26630626 - 04/26/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

In your post for the original wild find you said they were bunk?

I am a Trusted Identifier and amateur mycologist with over 20 years experience.

Without microscopy and a description of the shape of the cheilocystidia no one can say with absolute certainty that these are either P. ovoideocystidiata or P. stuntzii and even then DNA sequences would be needed, I'm still leaning towards the latter.


Your images only really show the pileus surface which is insufficient data for identification, look at my signature for images that show relevant macroscopic characteristics for field identification.

If you need to know what they are send a small sample including intact gills to someone with a microscope, it is very easy to identify P. ovoideocystidiata with microscopy alone:cool:


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Re: Psilocybe ovoid indoor cultivation [Re: Ryzo]
    #26630627 - 04/26/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

They don't look like ovoids.


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Re: Psilocybe ovoid indoor cultivation [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26630641 - 04/26/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Very cool! Congrats, I attempted these indoors over a decade ago failed bad. I would tissue culture(clone) from one of the fruits and get it going on agar for storage and future use as you now how it's viable(fruits). well done!


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Re: Psilocybe ovoid indoor cultivation [Re: inski]
    #26630647 - 04/26/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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inski said:
In your post for the original wild find you said they were bunk?

I am a Trusted Identifier and amateur mycologist with over 20 years experience.

Without microscopy and a description of the shape of the cheilocystidia no one can say with absolute certainty that these are either P. ovoideocystidiata or P. stuntzii and even then DNA sequences would be needed, I'm still leaning towards the latter.


Your images only really show the pileus surface which is insufficient data for identification, look at my signature for images that show relevant macroscopic characteristics for field identification.

If you need to know what they are send a small sample including intact gills to someone with a microscope, it is very easy to identify P. ovoideocystidiata with microscopy alone:cool:




Inski I apologize I wasn’t calling you out. I have respect for the trusted folk on this forum.
I may not have an image specific of the gills but I still don’t think it’s very likely given my location that these are stuntzii.
Is it not true they are highly variable? I agree it isn’t worth arguing about as I don’t have a microscope or access to one.

I did claim they were bunk in my original post. However after further bioassays from the same patch I would have to recant my previous claim. I hadn’t dried them enough to get a accurate weight and they varied a lot in potency between fruitbodies.
That article talks about how larger fruits had far less actives in them and if you noticed those fruits were huge. Since then I have collected many smaller fruits which I only need about 1-2g dry for a lvl2/3 trip.
I have reached lvl 5 on 3.5g of pins and aborts from the spring fruiting. I have never reached a lvl 5 from stuntzii. Ever lol.

I just think in general they are a highly variable species. The sub I grew them on was not at all like the sub they were collected on, which would play a huge factor in how they look. I think if any of YOU need convincing then you can ask me and I’ll send you a sample to verify lol.


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Re: Psilocybe ovoid indoor cultivation [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26630653 - 04/26/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

No problem, all fungi are highly variable with environment/substrate playing a huge part in how the mature fruit bodies look.

Either way, it's a nice grow, well done, I would be happy to look at the material but I'm not in your country and don't receive such items from abroad:shrug:

P. stuntzii is known from California.


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Re: Psilocybe ovoid indoor cultivation [Re: inski]
    #26630663 - 04/26/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Oh for sure it is known. It isn’t common though. The only find in my area (Santa Barbara county) is my own which I found growing unnaturally out of a planter tray at Home Depot! That I am aware of. Possibly there are other past finds I am unaware of or are undocumented.

As a side note I thought stuntzii does well of grass seed not really on aspen chips?


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Re: Psilocybe ovoid indoor cultivation [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26630682 - 04/26/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

in another thread, allen rockefeller shared this link:

http://alvalab.es/

havent contacted them myself, but they offer sequencing of specimen for around $20


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