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    #26629094 - 04/26/20 07:52 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I’d like to add my experience and hope it serves as a warning to others...

I’ve gained some weight, some lol (I’m 5’9” 220lbs), in the last couple of years and as a result (I think) I now have high blood pressure. I took meds for a few months and it stabilized, not ideal, but better than my baseline which was at 170/110 consistently. I haven’t had medication for high blood pressure for at least two months and I’m right back where I started, 150/110 at baseline...I should know better, I’m a paramedic.

Recently I guess some depression has gotten the better part of me and I just haven’t been taking care of myself hence why I started looking into entheogens (mushrooms) as a possible aide/treatment.

Yesterday I prepped 90 fresh grams in lemon juice (45 minute soak) then boiled for ten minutes with a green tea.

The amount prepped didn’t fit in the bottle I had in mind so I drank what didn’t fit in the bottle, maybe an ounce, maybe two...at most it was a tenth of the total contents.

Although I’m glad for the insights I’ve gleaned from the trip, it turned sour pretty fast. Within an hour my chest felt very heavy and eventually I began to feel an uncomfortable feeling in my throat and some nausea.

the trip itself showed me how much I’ve let myself go, how sad and pitiful my existence has been, how deep this depression is and what I need to do to get back to healthy. It showed me how much my daughter cares and how hard she tries to get me to workout and be healthy again.

I can spot a sick person when I walk in a room on most 911 calls I get and last night when I looked in the mirror I was able to see just how bad I had let myself get. I looked like a very sick person.

I took my Blood pressure and it was 255/156!! I rode it out for a while but knew some of the feelings I was having were pointing towards heart attack...I’m not usually anxious at all ( maybe I’m in denial) but I could feel my anxiety creeping up, which another symptom of a heart attack.

Luckily I had some Valium on hand  (prescribed for back issues a long time ago) to kill the trip. 10mg did the trick and my blood pressure went down to 170/100, still very high but way better than before. I took another 10mg hoping to get some sleep but that didn’t really workout.

My main piece of advice would be to avoid mushrooms if you have high blood pressure (or any other medical issues for that matter) until you get it under control and you get back to a more ideal weight.


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Re: Scary trip ( high blood pressure hypertension ) [Re: Psychgro]
    #26629196 - 04/26/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for sharing your experience here.  It's important that we consider even these anecdotal data points on health concerns regarding the use of psychedelics so that we can help people make sensible decisions and take sensible precautions.  That's part of responsible use, and we owe it to ourselves and each other to make good choices.  Sorry to hear about said health problems and that you had to have that scary moment of self-realization.  I hope it works out to be a positive for you in the end and that you seize the opportunity to use your gained insight productively.  Good on you for wagging a finger at yourself.  I have had to do the same about a ocuple behaviors recently myself.  We all could use some self-evaluation to be honest.  Hope you're having a great day today.


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Re: Scary trip ( high blood pressure hypertension ) [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26629214 - 04/26/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That is dangerously high, like stroke/heart attack and real chance or possibility of death high.  Are you’d sure hypertension is your only medical problem?  I’m amazed your still alive actually.  Wow.  Thank god your okay.  I would talk to a doctor about this because in my book it’s a must after what you posted.

In return here is mine, from what seems another life ago, lessons abound:

I time ago I  had a a similar albeit much more sickly medical emergency while tripping at the same time, and it scared the daylights out of me, the trip turned sour and so no and so forth, ya know how it goes.  I should have gotten medical attention, but I did not.  And that was the real danger.  Anywho, I Was scared of my shadow for a month or two afterwards, I couldn’t stand the feeling, butt that gave me the motivation I needed to get my shit together and become more balanced so I could live without such a thing ever happening again.  That took along time though, and much of the reason I had the reaction was because I got sent into precipitated withdrawals from morphine (this was years ago when I was dependent upon high doses of it daily) at exactly the time the trip kicked in - and wow - the horrors of both are enough, but together the strain on my poor little body and fragile mind was too much, and I was wrecked for a couple months after, just wrecked. still, that could have ended me.  Stroke, heart attack, seizure etc.  I know I did damage that day just not exactly what, but luckily the lasting effect was little.


And I had gone through heavy opiate withdrawal before this, many times, and it’s awful and terrifying in its own right, but this - this was a different malevolent insidious hellish medical scenario and worst trip ever....just like a real version of the scenes from the movie Event Horizon made  manifest into reality - a hell like nightmare dimension of human torture and pain is what it was, and an experience that I couldn’t have ever even imagined until it happened.  MK Ultra doesn’t have shit on me.  Dangerous bodily and mentally.  Wow, Good is God man....knock on wood. Let’s see why...



Very high blood pressure, pulse, near immediate emesis and diarrhea of all bodily fluids, extreme synergistic adrenaline buildup that wouldn’t stop had my heart out of Wack - and you know the feeling you get if you get punched in the gut hard enough?  Like you literally can’t catch your breath? That was me for 5 hours , literally near the brink of death, that plus this physical feeling of a vice grip on a portion of my brain from Naloxone displacing morphine suddenly, and more things I won’t get into all while in the headspace of a fungi trip created one of the worst possible experience a human can go through -  like my body was pumping not blood, but toxic molten sludgy metal while covered in electricity making for extreme total body pain that had me floored and wishing I was dead, and if I could have ended my life I might of.  The experience traumatized me badly enough that I became reclusive, stopped talking to all people, and kept using narcotics for a whole year afterwards in an attempt to run away from reality and hide in oblivion.  I couldn’t even think of taking another psychedelic without inducing a panic attack bc the experience was so horrendous.


PTSD foreal.  After enough of living like that, depression all year long after years of it culminating in this shit experience with precipitated withdrawals and a nightmare trip creating a medical disaster and not getting help...there came a do or die moment.  And before the end of the year, just around November I began prepping all the way until Christmas Day to go deeper than ever, while I planned to be in withdrawals mind you, and take psychedelic fungi -  bringing me right back to the things that did me in in the first place - to face them again - and to be victorious or go mad.




Funny thing is, at the end of the year or so later (on Christmas Eve )  I did it, I ate mushrooms while in opiate withdrawals again (naturally not with naloxone) by just letting the drug leave my system as it will if you stop after a brief taper and then go into withdrawals , and then 48 hours into the withdrawal syndrome i dosed 6.5 grams of dried psilocybin fungi in tea .    I was so raw from stopping opiates- that the trip was like a full on DMT breakthrough with an onslaught of visuals and heady realms beyond imagining but - there was ecstatic bliss and union with the All - most profound journey I have ever taken in my life, and the courage to see it through and get to to the bottom of my suffering was not done lightly. Understanding the mechanics behind my years of behavior so clearly - that I didn’t doubt it for a second, and so I rolled with it even after the trip ended.


Done that way was pure magic, literal pure magic, and healing to the max - gave me exactly what I needed to end the cycle of my years long addiction right then and there- after the trip ended I literally rode the rest of the next 2 weeks of acute withdrawal out with a sense of comfort and ease, like a was a master surfer of myself and phenomena’s waves.  And continued on past the post acute withdrawals during the next 30-90 days .  Doing something so literally heroic for myself allowed me to regain my sense of honor and confidence by facing my demon head on and finding out it was in reality as empty as anything else, and so I managed to stay clean that year from opiates and recover - and haven’t looked back since. 4 + years off opiates now. :grin:  I applaud my own efforts.  Everyone saying you can’t get clean on your own, doesn’t know me.

So moral of the story?  if you are depend upon an opiate, mushrooms can be used while in withdrawal - if your brave enough and want to know yourself and the truth of your addiction bad enough to end it once and for all right here and now.  But!

But if you do, just be aware that naturally is the best way (ie. Letting your drug of choice wear off on its own and going into regular withdrawals- after a short or moderate taper, and then after 48-72 hours - depending on the half-life of your DOC - after your last dose or so and in the middle of withdrawals is when you should be dosing you’re psychedelic) - but know this, from my experience psilocybin use is absolutely contraindicated with Naloxone/Naltrexone when taken to induce precipitated withdrawals from heavy opiate dependent/addicted.  No brained maybe, but now it’s tested by yours truly :rolleyes:


When  journeying within yourself on psychedelics, courage Is required - and honesty when going deep into ones own minds true nature - traversing hell and heaven within and without - strengthened is the seeker, and he is rewarded or punished according to ones own karma.  To know thyself is the highest good, and to know ones own mind contains only your own nature, is an exalted insight that is known by the bliss of release from the whole mass of suffering, when one goes into his own house and puts it in appropriate order.  Only you know what order your own house is in, and whether you fear what’s inside because you’ve forgotten your own nature, or you live in harmony and balance because you haven’t - is all on you.

This is what psychedelics are truly about.  Imho.  A tool, for the purpose of the aforementioned goal.  And why it’s called magic,

Back to reality baby.  Noble living now.


I’ve since become healthier and no such thing has ever happened again while tripping.  I still can have a bad trip, it can be Russian roulette sometimes, but that alone without  being combined with a medical emergency-  aka while healthy, is perfectly normal, and all in all just a part of psychedelics use while being a human, and something seen that must be seen that I’ve ignored or been unawares of that suddenly comes to the forefront is usually the reason.  But that is where growth can be had afterwards, so I see such a phenomena as necessary, exactly like having a nightmare goes hand in hand with the opposite type of dream at night. Psychedelic trips share the same nature as dreaming in my book, and so they run deep and the parallelisms are there, and can both be understood by comparing and contrasting them to one another as phenomena , doing so really clears up. a lot of nonsense and brings light to the nature of oneself and a trip - allowing for one to remember what it’s all about , and ones own duty to theme selves and the world is,  good night!

Thank you for sharing, It’s valuable info, and I’m sure if you are determined enough you can help your body get into a healthy state.

:heart:


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Re: Scary trip ( high blood pressure hypertension ) [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #26630308 - 04/26/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you Blind and Alaska!! Blind, I can’t believe you put yourself through that, TWICE!! It must have been impossibly tough, I can’t imagine, if you knew you had to do it. I’m happy you’re better now and here to share your story!!

The experience really helped me feel the love on this forum and the psychedelic community in general...the way we warn each other, the way we share the experience, the ways we use said experiences to better ourselves and (hopefully) those around us.

Blind, to be honest I thought a heart attack was imminent and was also scared of the possibility of a stroke, maybe even death. I decided to take the Valium after taking a hot shower and realizing the nausea, weird feeling in my throat and vomiting weren’t just part of a bad trip. The chest pressure was intense!

I’m glad I know the signs and I’m glad I was wading in the shallower end of the pool, so to speak, that I was able to think coherently. I’m lucky I’ve got a hospital grade vital signs machine (patient monitor) at home and that I had the Valium on hand.

Had the Valium not dropped my blood pressure as quickly as it did I would’ve driven myself to the E.R. , but I really wanted to avoid that given this whole situation we’re all in right now (fucking Coronavirus).

I’m happy I had my wife to lean on and help me out. I shared a lot with her that maybe I should’ve shared a long time ago.

Today I’ve felt better than I have in a while and I’m determined to turn things around, already started making the changes I need to make. Hopefully I’ll be able to revisit shrooms when I get myself healthy and the rest of my affairs in order.

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Re: Scary trip ( high blood pressure hypertension ) [Re: Psychgro]
    #27064430 - 11/30/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Very similar story. I have high BP. Usually around 150/100. Two days ago I ate 4 grams of dried mushrooms. Soaked in lemon for an hour, then make a tea. In 30 minutes I've got strong nausea and overall discomfort. Heart rate was 100-120 bpm. I tried to puke but with no luck. I checked my blood pressure in an hour or so and it was 180/120. I was kinda freaked out, but with no anxiety cause at this point it was hard to think clearly. I took 2 pills of Drotaverine (40 mg pills) to decrease BP. That's the only pills I've got at the moment. It helped to fight nausea, and my BP went to 160/110. Next 2 hours I've been in the mental state of a monkey. It was hell of a trip.


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Re: Scary trip ( high blood pressure hypertension ) [Re: MiracleMike]
    #27064479 - 11/30/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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MiracleMike said:
Very similar story. I have high BP. Usually around 150/100. Two days ago I ate 4 grams of dried mushrooms. Soaked in lemon for an hour, then make a tea. In 30 minutes I've got strong nausea and overall discomfort. Heart rate was 100-120 bpm. I tried to puke but with no luck. I checked my blood pressure in an hour or so and it was 180/120. I was kinda freaked out, but with no anxiety cause at this point it was hard to think clearly. I took 2 pills of Drotaverine (40 mg pills) to decrease BP. That's the only pills I've got at the moment. It helped to fight nausea, and my BP went to 160/110. Next 2 hours I've been in the mental state of a monkey. It was hell of a trip.




Woah, although sometimes I encounter people who get on the topic of checking their BP and becoming too over-reactive to small fluctuations or non-perfect scores. I'm glad you kept a close eye, and took some action aid in relief of the situation.


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Re: Scary trip ( high blood pressure hypertension ) [Re: Psychgro]
    #27064601 - 11/30/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

to get weight down - ELIMINATE bread and sugar.
50 pushups and 100 squats minimally each day.
this may help blood pressure and enable good shrooming and daughter relations.


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Re: Scary trip ( high blood pressure hypertension ) [Re: Psychgro]
    #27064980 - 11/30/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Psychgro said:
I’d like to add my experience and hope it serves as a warning to others...

I’ve gained some weight, some lol (I’m 5’9” 220lbs), in the last couple of years and as a result (I think) I now have high blood pressure. I took meds for a few months and it stabilized, not ideal, but better than my baseline which was at 170/110 consistently. I haven’t had medication for high blood pressure for at least two months and I’m right back where I started, 150/110 at baseline...I should know better, I’m a paramedic.






Whoops - dates from April - probably another pointless post

.  Already lots of long posts - so this is short & to the point.

.  Be honest for starters - you did not gain SOME weight. (As you said the mirror & shrooms together, already told you this.)

https://www.bmicalc.co/weight/ft-in/Ideal_weight_for-5-%27-9-%22---male

.  You are probably about 70 lbs overweight or weigh about 1/3rd more than is healthy, for your height. This amounts to seriously self destructive behavior, especially for a para medic.
.  So its a mental/emotional problem, not just high blood pressure. But high blood pressure does increase chances of a stroke. Which can really fuck up the rest of your life.

.    Here are some resources that may be of help

https://nutritionfacts.org/

.  The standard american diet (SAD) leads to diabetes & heart disease.

.  May be easy to start by checking these guys out on youtube for free.
Diet matters more than exercise as regards weight.
But some exercise is necessary, even if only walking for starters.

Dr. Michael Klaper
Neal D. Barnard,  M.D.
John A. McDougall, M.D.
Dean Michael Ornish, M.D., cardiologist
Joel Fuhrman, M.D.
Michael Greger, M.D.

Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn
T. Colin Campbell Ph.D. (1961), biochemistry, nutrition, and microbiology, Cornell University
Garth Davis, MD

Fuhrman MD is the most dynamic, and Michael Greger MD has the most videos on his web site dealing with specific issues. Both also have books out.

.  I hope this helps with the physical side of the matter. Physical improvements lead to mental improvements. But beyond that I cannot (& probably no one on the internet can) comment on the mental/emotional/lifestyle aspects of the situation, without more data. I hope you enjoy putting into practice some of the changes, that you are now beginning to know you will make.


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Re: Scary trip ( high blood pressure hypertension ) [Re: laughingdog]
    #27076547 - 12/07/20 04:35 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Getting blood pressure under control is not just about loosing weight. It's about changing behaviour — activities, food, sleep, tobacco and alcohol consumption. This is a complex problem you cannot beat with just squats and pushups. Most of us know about this, but just pretending this is not their case, like they are too healthy for that.

This trip finally helped me to quit smoking. Four beer cans daily are not good for me, so I quit it too. I started to jogging on the mornings. The week after I feel much better. Currently trying to change my diet.


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