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Re: What is Love? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26628536 - 04/26/20 12:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Sounds like you didn't get a lot of love from your parents, directly or indirectly.  You have my sympathies in this "love" problem.




I did but it was suffocating. Always needing to know what I was doing, expecting to give hugs and kisses when I didn't feel it or want to (otherwise they would get upset and pout about it all), and not really supporting what I wanted to do and more like making be join things I had no interest in. It's a long list but for me love seems to be suffocating and confining.




Did you ever get the feeling that you were appreciated the way you are? Maybe your feelings come from always needing to be something for them. It is probably an unconditional love that you are longing for, but that is a rare one. Also the parent-child relationships may not often have that love. Doesn't mean that love should always be unconditional, that is another condition put on love. Still wise people don't need much from the other in a relationship. The mutual love for another is enough.




I felt like love always came with a price tag and several stipulations, but never have I ever felt that I was enough for another person and that leads to me trying to overcompensate and be super hard on myself for essentially being a "dud". I live a quiet and uneventful life and I enjoy it but it feels like I need to have all these features to attract people like some kind of computer or other appliance.


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Re: What is Love? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26628538 - 04/26/20 12:25 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Baby don’t hurt me. :datass:

:heart:


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26628564 - 04/26/20 12:39 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Well it is not true because I didn't know you even existed my entire life until I came to this site recently.

If Solipsism was real, I wouldn't exist without your thoughts, yet I have been here. I know none of this matters if it is not real.

You loved your dog, that shows a break in Solipsism. You can break these thought patterns.

Have you tried the so called ego dissolving heroic trip? Or DMT?

I may fall asleep. Catch you later god of death. :peace:


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Re: What is love? [Re: LikeMyc]
    #26628567 - 04/26/20 12:41 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Shinigami!


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Re: What is love? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26628571 - 04/26/20 12:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Shinigami!



:lol: That's Japanese. Thanatos is the Greek god.


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Re: What is love? [Re: LikeMyc]
    #26628573 - 04/26/20 12:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Well it is not true because I didn't know you even existed my entire life until I came to this site recently.

If Solipsism was real, I wouldn't exist without your thoughts, yet I have been here. I know none of this matters if it is not real.

You loved your dog, that shows a break in Solipsism. You can break these thought patterns.

Have you tried the so called ego dissolving heroic trip? Or DMT?

I may fall asleep. Catch you later god of death. :peace:




You have to stop and think though that nothing you said is a disproof of Solipsism, I have no evidence you exist outside of me and that you aren't a figment of my mind. Everything you say could just be a story my mind made up to appear convincing.

Also psychedelics would just make the Solipsism worse. You can't get proof or disproof of solipsism through the senses because that is what is being called into question.


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Re: What is love? [Re: LikeMyc]
    #26628576 - 04/26/20 12:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Shinigami!



:lol: That's Japanese. Thanatos is the Greek god.




I know, but I felt like sayin it bc Thanatos and I like some animaze.

Plus, he has a secret death note, so I try not to get on his bad side


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Re: What is love? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26628577 - 04/26/20 12:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I try to fight it every day but I feel like I'm losing.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26628592 - 04/26/20 01:05 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I try to fight it every day but I feel like I'm losing.




You lost if you felt losing.


You were poisonous that is clear and if you remedy yourself, you can be a higher powered fellow.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26628597 - 04/26/20 01:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

So what if everything is a figment of your mind? In a sense it is because like you said you are reliant on sensory information and your innerworld and outerworld are essentially the same thing to you, you are trapped in your viewpoint of subjective experience (psychedelics may provide other experiences at least a very credible feeling of that). So what if qe are in a simulation, have you thought about that one? The world is real to you juat like you are in your existence. I have never read about solipsism but sounds like a very sloppy philosophical view point on the human experience. Like what proof is there for it to be true? Miggt as well disregard something that is irrefutable.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Fiery]
    #26628605 - 04/26/20 01:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I thought about this one time.

I will not


And then I was wrong


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Re: What is Love? [Re: Fiery]
    #26628837 - 04/26/20 04:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Omnia vincit amor


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26629149 - 04/26/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I guess I’m just jaded.

Being on the spectrum doesn’t help that much either to be honest. Socializing isn’t my strong point and it’s hard to keep my behaviors under control.

Part of me wonders if I became this way because I cared too much and see that people take advantage of that, or maybe to avoid getting hurt. I remember I used to be a bleeding heart before all this, and maybe this is just bitterness from being let down so many times. I mean realizing I was gay was a blow that’s slow to recover from.




Stop blaming any part of it on "the spectrum" it's gross. It's you. It's all your fault. The good news about that though is you have total control over the only thing standing between you and who you want to be.

I feel like you are being a drama queen here. You have a million reasons why nobody's advice will work for you. I guess maybe God just decided you are supposed to be miserable?

When you are serious about finding ways to be happy instead of ways to continue to be emotionally dead, I'll be back to help. Until then, get over yourself. It's so worth it.


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Re: What is love? [Re: bound2grow]
    #26629198 - 04/26/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)





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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26629221 - 04/26/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Highly irrelevant as usual.






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Re: What is love? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26629245 - 04/26/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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So what if everything is a figment of your mind? In a sense it is because like you said you are reliant on sensory information and your innerworld and outerworld are essentially the same thing to you, you are trapped in your viewpoint of subjective experience (psychedelics may provide other experiences at least a very credible feeling of that). So what if qe are in a simulation, have you thought about that one? The world is real to you juat like you are in your existence. I have never read about solipsism but sounds like a very sloppy philosophical view point on the human experience. Like what proof is there for it to be true? Miggt as well disregard something that is irrefutable.



Well the problem with it is that we can’t verify sensory experience. In a sense we can’t be sure reality is as it appears to be or that other minds and people exist. It’s not sloppy it’s the truth. Some branches of it go as far as to say that you are the only mind to exist.

But if everything was a figment of my mind and no one else existed I would kill my self. It would mean that there isn’t any love because no one else exists and no friendship, and nothing I do would matter.


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Re: What is love? [Re: bound2grow]
    #26629254 - 04/26/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I guess I’m just jaded.

Being on the spectrum doesn’t help that much either to be honest. Socializing isn’t my strong point and it’s hard to keep my behaviors under control.

Part of me wonders if I became this way because I cared too much and see that people take advantage of that, or maybe to avoid getting hurt. I remember I used to be a bleeding heart before all this, and maybe this is just bitterness from being let down so many times. I mean realizing I was gay was a blow that’s slow to recover from.




Stop blaming any part of it on "the spectrum" it's gross. It's you. It's all your fault. The good news about that though is you have total control over the only thing standing between you and who you want to be.

I feel like you are being a drama queen here. You have a million reasons why nobody's advice will work for you. I guess maybe God just decided you are supposed to be miserable?

When you are serious about finding ways to be happy instead of ways to continue to be emotionally dead, I'll be back to help. Until then, get over yourself. It's so worth it.




To anyone who has experience with people on the spectrum you can see why it has a significant impact on the matter. It’s not all my fault at all and no one has total control over who they want to be. I am serious about getting better but you have to understand that there are some very real limitations to that.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26629307 - 04/26/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

But that's basic philosophy a'la Descartes. "I think therefore I am." He was wondering about the same things, but the obvious conclusion is that you exist, your experience and there is an obvious outer feeling world to it. What's the big deal to get hung up on, I don't get it. Obviously you would kill yourself if you were entirely alone, anyone would being trapped in a void alone. But there is no proof of that!


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26629639 - 04/26/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Of course you have no idea that I know very well what I'm talking about, and now seriously doubt that you are even on the spectrum, since you would know that ASD has so many different effects on the different people it affects that it is ridiculous to assume that having experience with anyone else's ASD would be relevant to your ASD...

but anywhoo, even if you are on the spectrum, I'm not claiming you are not. I just happen to think you have another diagnosis that is causing more of your issues than ASD, and that's narcissism. I read a bunch of your posts and I never saw one where you were even slightly mentioning someone else's needs or feelings as anything more important than ants while everyone else is a horrible degenerate who should dry up and blow away for not being what you wanted/needed them to be.

ASD doesn't cause those kinds of symptoms. It can cause detachment but you aren't detached. You obviously have a lot of emotional connection to how you feel about your parents. I feel like you're using ASD as an excuse to be a narcissist and it really pisses me off. You're just another voice making real autism confusing and weird to people.


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Re: What is love? [Re: bound2grow]
    #26629661 - 04/26/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Just gonna jump in here with my experience with ASD adolescents is that they more often than not at least appear to be quite narcissistic, including my brother at the time. Now obviously everyone with ASD is an individual and there can be some stereotypes that are true, but most are not. The narcissistic like behavior from ASD people usually comes from their inability to in the moment be empathic towards others especially when emotional. Just my experience.
I think you are giving him a too hasty judgement.


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