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OfflineBANANA.MAN
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26627909 - 04/25/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Lol i made one post about Trudeau, you criticized it,

I laughed at you for taking my "five years of watsed breath" comment literally and implying that I thought his comments on the mosque shooting were wasted breath.

i told you i wasnt going to read your long post, you kept posting and then posted about how im going to get in trouble for derailing and i ignored the post. then you started talking about me to some other poster, bringing the conversation back up. you are the one who has been bringing up the Trudeau thing. ive been pointing out your mischaracterizations.

and while i was doing that you kept saying "you still havent given examples" so i gave u one and u said "you only gave one" as if you wanted me to keep going with the Trudeau conveesation which i certainly didnt.

What error am i not admitting? i think it was a fine example of a politician getting hit where it hurts but if you dont think it was then i dont care about convincing you. i concede that argument to you.


"Hey, it is not my fault that you love to call attention to ideas that Trudeau is a hypocrite " i misread this but by saying im "calling attention to it" you are saying im promoting that idea. which i wasnt. here you go again with your technicalities. just say what you mean. dont hide behing "technically i didnt say that word for word"


im not trying to accuse you of being pro trudeau. Im just pointing out that i already let this go twice and u kept on going and miacharacterizing me and implying i dont care about racism.

I said "you win" sarcastically. because you were being silly by taking an expression so literally and using that to imply i dont care about racism.

so you dont understand common expressions or sarcasm apperently. you either have some kind of issue communicating with people or tou are being disingenuous. I suspect its the latter but i dont want to attribute poor motives to you without knowing you at all so if its the former i appologize.


You are the one who commented on my post. Are you obligated to address any unrelated thing i bring up while commenting on one of your posts? no.

no appology needed. but your claim that i havent been posting on topic since the zombie post was factually erroneous. thats all.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26627912 - 04/25/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I bet tiny amounts of vaporized bleach would kill at least some coronavirus particles in the lungs. I think we should start trials on bleach aerosols. Im not even joking.

What about chlorine gas for medical use?




https://www.drbrownstein.com/how-to-nebulize/

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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Tantrika]
    #26627920 - 04/25/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #26627922 - 04/25/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

People are desperate for a way out or a miracle cure.

If we were all held to the standard of always thinking clearly or dying, I think this place would be a ghost town


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26627927 - 04/25/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
Lol i made one post about Trudeau, you criticized it,

I laughed at you for taking my "five years of watsed breath" comment literally and implying that I thought his comments on the mosque shooting were wasted breath.
...




My comment about "five years of wasted breath" was made after your salt comment
so, again, back to square one where you started into personalisms
so right at the start of your comment you are being dishonest with regards to what objectively happened
you can go back and look at my initial reply to your post -- no mention of "five years of wasted breath"

Am making a note that the only point in my post you did not respond to here
was the on-topic discussion of Covid in Canada
so, again, after being given an opportunity to come back to the thread topic and discuss with me what is going on with Covid in Canada
but you wrote another essay on the Trudeau topic, and did not mention covid

are you going to engage with First Nations risk of covid, or are you going to try and keep having me respond about Trudeau?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Tantrika] * 7
    #26627931 - 04/25/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Can you please take that somewhere else please?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #26627934 - 04/25/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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LeningradCowboy said:
Can you please take that somewhere else please?




no, sorry, no moderator powers here
stuck waiting on staff to make good on their second warning:
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I want to ask everybody - everybody - to keep this ontopic and don't make it a politics topic.

This one is about the virus, treatments, consequences and effective policies, not about which politician said what that wasnt to the point.

People whos main contributions to this thread are either politically partisan or derailing in nature will get a Post Deny so that they can read the thread but not partake in it.

This thread specific sanction is irreversible and does not come with ban points.





have tried to bring Banana back on topic in this thread, but have repeatedly failed based on what he chooses to address as his main contributions here


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26627940 - 04/25/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Conditions of Covid patients in prisons being found to violate human rights

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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says his government is looking into a report by the federal correctional investigator that concludes the human rights of prisoners are being violated due to measures to contain the spread of the novel coronavirus.

"We have taken a number of strong measures in corrections facilities to protect inmates and staff members from COVID-19," Trudeau said during his daily briefing Saturday.

"I am aware of the report put out yesterday, and we are following up on the details."

Correctional Investigator of Canada Ivan Zinger's report, released Friday afternoon, found that conditions of confinement are "extremely difficult" at institutions experiencing COVID-19 outbreaks.

As of Thursday, five of 43 penitentiaries have experienced or are now managing an active outbreak. Of the 195 inmates across the country who have tested positive, 122 are in Quebec. Four inmates in Quebec were in hospital, as of Friday.

Those who have been diagnosed with the virus or are awaiting test results are placed in what is called medical isolation — akin to a public health quarantine order, wrote Zinger, who acts as an ombudsman for inmates.

Zinger said those inmates are allowed about 20 minutes a day outside their cell to make a phone call or take a shower, and they are not allowed any time outdoors, in the prison yard.

"These conditions obviously violate universal human rights standards," Zinger said, pointing out that while they may be justifiable in the context of a public health emergency, they force inmates to choose between taking a shower or making a phone call, for example, in their sliver of free time.

On March 31, Public Safety Minister Bill Blair asked the heads of Canada's prison system and parole board to consider early release for some federal inmates to mitigate the impact of COVID-19 behind bars.

However, it's not clear how many, if any, federal prisoners have been released early due to the pandemic.

"Parole decisions consider all relevant and available information, including the unique circumstances of each offender, which may include health-related factors," a spokesperson for Blair's office said in an emailed statement to CBC earlier this week.

The Parole Board of Canada "has streamlined a number of its policies and processes" in response to the pandemic, the statement said.



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'Extreme' conditions at Port-Cartier

Zinger made a personal visit to the Port-Cartier Institution, about 600 kilometres northeast of Quebec City, in mid-April. The maximum-security penitentiary on Quebec's North Shore was the first penal institution to report cases of COVID-19 in Quebec.

In an interview with CBC News, Zinger said he found prisoners who tested positive for COVID-19 or were awaiting test results were being held in isolation almost round the clock. Even those who are not believed to be infected are spending 23 hours a day inside their cells, due to the pandemic lockdown — conditions Zinger calls "extreme."

"People are locked up basically in [a cell] the size of a bathroom that might be, you know, less than 100 square feet," Zinger said.

According to Jeff Wilkins, president of the Union of Canadian Correctional Officers, COVID-19 appears to have been inadvertently spread through the facility by an infected employee who caught the virus through community transmission, sometime between March 9 and 14.

The prison went into lockdown mode on March 26, when the case was confirmed.

More than half of the facility's 200 front-line correctional officers were sent home for 14 days by local public health authorities in an effort to contain the spread, Wilkins said.

"It was over the next [few] days that we learned first hand how incredibly viral COVID-19 is," Wilkins said.

Right now, 13 guards at Port-Cartier are infected and off sick, according to the union.



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Increased self-harm

"I understand the necessity to isolate and to impose restrictions," Zinger told CBC after his visit to Port Cartier.

But he said he is concerned about the toll on inmates who are facing these kinds of restrictions, even at prisons not affected by COVID-19.

There have been increased instances of self-harm and suicide attempts across the country, he said, which he called "indicative of problematic conditions of confinement."

He said there have also been increased reports of disciplinary problems, threats against staff, assault and protests by inmates.

Zinger said Correctional Services Canada has tried to mitigate the effects of this isolation, in some cases, by topping up the phone cards of inmates, making it easier to do video conferencing, providing more access to televisions and giving prisoners three snacks a day.

As more staff return from self-isolation, offenders are getting more recreation and shower time, which is helping, Wilkins said.

The union leader does make a distinction between solitary confinement and medical isolation.

"It's not a punishment. It's not a penalty," Wilkins said. "This is for everybody's safety."

In a statement to CBC, Correctional Services Canada said medical isolation measures are happening "in accordance with public health advice."

"Every effort is made to provide inmates on medical isolation with as much time out of cell as possible while respecting strong infection and prevention principles in order to contain the spread of COVID-19."

Nurses and doctors are on hand to care for offenders, it said.



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Joliette inmate describes 'breaking point'

With its relatively small prison population, the Joliette Institution for Women, 75 kilometres northeast of Montreal, may have the highest rate of infection of any federal penitentiary in the country. It has a capacity of 132 inmates. So far, 51 inmates there have tested positive for COVID-19, and 16 have recovered.

An inmate at Joliette who CBC has agreed not to identify due to her concern she would be penalized for speaking to the media, said she is spending about 80 per cent of her day in her closet-size room.

The woman doesn't have COVID-19. She said because of concerns about the spread of the virus, only one inmate at a time is being allowed in the facility's common areas.

"I'm telling you emotionally, [I'm] at a breaking point right now," she said, "...to the point where I had an anxiety attack, where I literally had to climb up to my window, just to get some fresh air."

This week, lawyers filed an application for a class-action lawsuit on behalf of one of the inmates there, Joelle Beaulieu. She contends Correctional Service Canada did not move quickly enough to contain COVID-19.

According to the filing, Beaulieu began to experience COVID-19 symptoms on March 21 but was not tested until six days later.

The lawsuit, which has not yet been approved by Quebec Superior Court, states that when her test came back positive, she began a two-week stretch inside a cell. She had limited access to toilets and just 15 minutes a day to use showers or phones.

The inmate, who is Ojibway, said she was denied access to an Indigenous elder or a mental health worker despite her requests. She said she suffered panic attacks.



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Balancing rights vs. risks

For Canada's correctional investigator, it's clear that there is a fine line at risk of being crossed.

"If it's a human rights violation, it can still be justifiable in a free and democratic society that is confronted with a pandemic," said Zinger to CBC.

In his report, Zinger goes further.

"Fundamental human rights and dignity adopted through a public health emergency must be respected," he said. As things stand, he said, the confinement measures now in place are harsher than what judges had in mind when offenders were sentenced for their crimes.

Given that, he said, the courts may at some point be asked to weigh in on whether that balance of rights versus risks has been respected in this pandemic.



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/canada-prison-conditions-covid-19-human-rights-1.5545303

this is upsetting that covid is fucking with so many vulnerable communities
and it also ends up weighing more reading it after hearing celebrities claim their mansions to be like jail


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #26627956 - 04/25/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

My pursuit of this conversation was based on you implying that I thought his comments on the mosque shooting were wasted breath because of your unreasonably literal interpretarion. Basically implying that I support a mass shooting or atleast didnt care about it. The trudeau thing which i have not been trying to support or convince you of for many, many posts now is not what this is about.

Yeah we went back and forth about a few times about Trudeau before i said i didnt care and moved onto laughing at your sillines. But after I said I didnt care you kept saying i hadnt given examples so i gave you one then you kept saying i hadnt given enough as ig you still wanted to talk about it.

I appologize for calling you salty. Ill legitimately give you that one. not even in a sarcastic "you win" way.


"are you going to engage with First Nations risk of covid, or are you going to try and keep having me respond about Trudeau?"

Hopefully neither.

I lost interest in talking about Trudeau thing a couple posts in. Ive only been poiting out your mischaracterizations, not trying to support my original, throwaway example about Trudeau. i havent been for quite some time.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 4
    #26627964 - 04/25/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ya’ll are going to get the boot if you don’t cut the shit yo...:rules:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Tantrika]
    #26627965 - 04/25/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Tantrika said:
Quote:

LeningradCowboy said:
Can you please take that somewhere else please?




no, sorry, no moderator powers here
stuck waiting on staff to make good on their second warning:
Quote:

Asante said:
I want to ask everybody - everybody - to keep this ontopic and don't make it a politics topic.

This one is about the virus, treatments, consequences and effective policies, not about which politician said what that wasnt to the point.

People whos main contributions to this thread are either politically partisan or derailing in nature will get a Post Deny so that they can read the thread but not partake in it.

This thread specific sanction is irreversible and does not come with ban points.





have tried to bring Banana back on topic in this thread, but have repeatedly failed based on what he chooses to address as his main contributions here



lol I have been posting on topic. even during this discussion. i dont need to address some random thing you brought up about Trudeau. i have no desire to talk about Trudeau. only point oit your silliness.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26627970 - 04/25/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
My pursuit of this conversation was based on you implying that I thought his comments on the mosque shooting were wasted breath because of your unreasonably literal interpretarion. Basically implying that I support a mass shooting or atleast didnt care about it. The trudeau thing which i have not been trying to support or convince you of for many, many posts now is not what this is about.
...




All of which took place after you responded to my factual correction of your point as being "salt"
you can dress this up in as much detail as you want, you brought it to personalisms

Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
...
"are you going to engage with First Nations risk of covid, or are you going to try and keep having me respond about Trudeau?"

Hopefully neither.
...




Well that is unfortunate, as it would be nice to talk to another Canadian member about Covid in the Covid thread
but if what is happening to people in Canada with regards to the outbreak doesn't interest you to talk about, not much can be done


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Amanita86]
    #26627973 - 04/25/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Amanita86 said:
Ya’ll are going to get the boot if you don’t cut the shit yo...:rules:



alright im done this time. even if Tantrika starts talking about it to another member again after i ignore her post again.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26627981 - 04/25/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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morrowasted said:
If they dont open soon crazy americans are gonna start shooting up/bombing hospitals.



Morrow did you see the Washington post article about all the covid related strokes they’re discovering. There’s been a huge spike in people under 50 having strokes.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26627982 - 04/25/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
Quote:

Tantrika said:
Quote:

LeningradCowboy said:
Can you please take that somewhere else please?




no, sorry, no moderator powers here
stuck waiting on staff to make good on their second warning:
Quote:

Asante said:
I want to ask everybody - everybody - to keep this ontopic and don't make it a politics topic.

This one is about the virus, treatments, consequences and effective policies, not about which politician said what that wasnt to the point.

People whos main contributions to this thread are either politically partisan or derailing in nature will get a Post Deny so that they can read the thread but not partake in it.

This thread specific sanction is irreversible and does not come with ban points.





have tried to bring Banana back on topic in this thread, but have repeatedly failed based on what he chooses to address as his main contributions here



lol I have been posting on topic. even during this discussion. i dont need to address some random thing you brought up about Trudeau. i have no desire to talk about Trudeau. only point oit your silliness.




Would love for you to quote one instance of you being on-topic during this discussion
keeping in mind that when presented with on-topic information about First Nations dealing with Covid, you chose to write about Trudeau


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Tantrika] * 4
    #26627986 - 04/25/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:drinkndrive:

This could be us.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Tantrika]
    #26627987 - 04/25/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8252613/amp/True-scale-North-Koreas-coronavirus-deaths-likely-exceeds-imagination-defector-warns.html

This isnt exactly a shock but a defector is supporting what we all suspected. North Korea is lying about having no covid cases.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: watermelon mon] * 2
    #26627989 - 04/25/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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:drinkndrive:

This could be us.




Once this Covid shit passes, we need to have a Canadian Shroomerite gathering somewheres

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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: Tantrika] * 3
    #26627990 - 04/25/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yes we should.

Probably near Toronto.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus 2020 [Re: watermelon mon]
    #26627995 - 04/25/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

what if wuhan got kim


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