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Re: dilaudid iv safety [Re: Hobbyist]
#26579633 - 04/05/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hobbyist said:
But... Coffee... 
I understand what you're saying. I absolutely am set against being dependent or reliant upon a substance to function daily. Then there's coffee, I love it. I consume it by choice and continue to make that choice, but take it away for even part of a day and the headaches start. Withdrawals can be debilitating and last for close to 2 weeks. 
I cannot parse the discrepancy in my thoughts and actions here... 

For myself, personally, coffee is hands down one of the most addictive drugs I've ever done . In ways it is more so than meth or opioids, I'm not even joking. It's not really detrimental and it is a really soft & benign "drug", but in regards to "cravings" and the impulse for "more", coffee is towards the top of my list for sure.
When I've been on the daily coffee habit/addiction, when I try to quit drinking it, I get insane cravings for it and crave it like a mo-fo in the mornings. Like I can't get it out of my mind, the smell & taste & caffeine buzz just keeps running through my mind and all I can think about is brewing up a cup. The way I get cravings for it is unlike any other drug I've done before. I think it's because there is lovely aroma and flavor combined with a nice buzz
If I start my day off with a cup of coffee...the following day I will be intensely craving a cup in the morning, and the next day, and the next, and so on.
It may be a very mild & subtle drug, but it is one of the most addictive for me for sure. And I have dabbled with things like meth & H, I still find coffee to be one of the most addictive.
With all that said...I don't necessarily consider "addiction" to be a bad thing at all, I see addiction as a spectrum of sorts. As long as it's not having a detrimental impact on one's body & one's life, utilizing a plant/drug to help or enhance one's day to day life is totally fine from my point of view . I feel these plants are here for a reason and are meant to be utilized. Just when it gets to the point where people dig themselves into a hole where they need a drug just to barely function and barely feel normal/human, or where they'll experience intense W/D if they go with out, that's when I feel addiction becomes a problem.
I don't see a daily coffee habit/addiction as a "bad" thing...lots of folks use it to enhance their days and they don't experience anything detrimental because of their coffee addiction...but for me it gets to the point where I feel like I need to have a cup as soon as I wake up and I need that so I'm not super tired and out of it through out the day, and I'll start to get gnarly headaches too.
I love coffee, it's one of my favotire things/essences in life, but I try to only drink it on random days or special occasions..When I get into the daily habit/addiction it ultimately just ends up throwing my "system" out of balance, messes with my adrenals, makes me feel "off"...but I do looove me some coffee lol.
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Re: dilaudid iv safety [Re: Thrill]
#26579768 - 04/05/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thrill said: "dilaudid iv safety" what? 
"the doctor prescribed me dilaudid today for my opiate addiction" WHAT? 
If your at the point in addiction where you IV pills, are you really that worried about safety? lol Just crush that bitch up, squirt some water on it, mix it up real good, and draw it up.
Back in the 80's me and a friend would crush em, pull the punger out and dump that shit in there. Replace the plunger and draw some water and cold shake em. Pretty fucked up thinking back and concider the source it was even more fucked.
Did not die... There has got to be a better way to get high these days. Ever snort a D ? works OK.
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Re: dilaudid iv safety [Re: Urb] 1
#26579928 - 04/05/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Could we please quit talking about shooting up It reminds me to much of the good old days
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I think people get really freaked out about the whole "your shooting pills thing"
pills are not all made equal. Shooting a hydrocodone is not shooting dilaudid. Dilaudid is prescribed to addicts in vending machines in its oral form for addicts to shoot up in Vancouver. The reason is the injectable form is much more expensive. I figure though that if doctors prescribe it to addicts to shoot up than it is relatively safe. Shooting some dirty ass Mexican tar heroin is probably muchI dirtier than an 8g dilaudid. I crush up my daily amount of 24mg of Dilaudid and do it in a single shot. It has a very nice rush, comparable to heroin, probably better. Better than fent. The reason I got this prescribed is because im shooting fentanyl. I do it safe injection sites but still shooting some random fent is about as dangerous as it comes, dilaudid has to be safer. Unless someone can prove me otherwise there is no toxic or dangerous binders in the 8mg dilaudid oral tablets. Its a shame people here still preach prohibition when it comes to iv addicts. I will be getting some .22 micron filters to make the process safer, although it Is probably not needed . My doctor is a bit of a quack though, he almost prescribed me benzos on top of my 600mg morphine, 24 mg dilaudid and 1600mg gabapentin daily. as you can imagine, I sleep alot.
Thanks for the advice about the generic vs the name brand I will try out the name brand thank you .
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and maybe its just because im hardcore. Or because ive dealt with suffering and laughed at it in the face, I dont find opiate addiction to be that bad. Its probably because I have a constant supply to meds but you would think opaite addiction is the worst thing in the universe, and for me its just a mild inconvenience mixed with a couple small health deals and the occasional brutal illness. I was relieved when I got addicted , was tired of wondering.
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I guess if it works for you 
With a never ending supply, addiction isnt an issue. Ive been on opiates for a decade now. On suboxone maintenance the last year. If I had a never ending supply of dope or pills, Id probably have kept on going that way. But sooner or later, the supply ends. Spent several years on poppy seed tea. We thought itd never end. Good years. But even that went tits up. Sooner or later, it comes crashing down.
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Re: dilaudid iv safety [Re: Thrill]
#26608163 - 04/17/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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im up to 80mg of dilaudid and 600mg of morphine prescribed to me daily.
I dont take that much but thats the maximum I can take. I dont take any street drugs anymore. Just a bit of vape thc..
come to canada and the doctor will get you loaded for freeee
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Thats INSANE lol. Even at the height of the pill mills here in the states, I doubt you could get a doctor to write up a daily script like that lol.
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Re: dilaudid iv safety [Re: biggysmall] 1
#26608628 - 04/17/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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biggysmall said:Anyways your a pussy if you complain about opiate addiction imo
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biggysmall said: ever heard of a taper Moron ?
You have a serious drug problem and it's turning you into a nasty person who insults others for no reason. Stop using drugs and help yourself out.
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im being attacked and called a liar for making a post. Who are you to determine if I have a drug problem or not? Im a perfectly nice person and I am generally nicer than the average person, now that just sounds narcissistic but w/e
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Re: dilaudid iv safety [Re: biggysmall] 2
#26609405 - 04/18/20 01:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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biggysmall said: ive been addicted to opiates for the better part of the year . by choice, I sort of wanted to get addicted. Its been pretty smooth sailing, as long as I go and get my medication in time there is no problem. Only issue is the sort of obligation I have to go and pick up my meds. But opiate addictions is honestly easy,
Ha. Not even a year in, so naive.
Just wait a few years, it'll get bad, if you don't die first.
I'm not here to stop you, live your life, have your own experiences man. I had to.
Maybe it is super easy to get prescribed mass amounts of opiates in Canada, irdk. But I feel like that won't last forever. And even if so it won't always be enough, with advanced usage comes advance tolerance. I know someone that got prescribed 510mg of oxy a day in the states and it wasn't enough after not very long, he was always sick halfway through the week. He's also dead now.
It will get worse, I promise, you're in for a ride if you keep doing it.
You know very little of opiate addiction, certainly not enough to call it "easy". Of course it's easy at first, if not people wouldn't continue doing it in the beginning.
Good luck regardless and I hope you find a path that works for you!
As for your question, idk, I went straight to shooting dope lol.
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vinsue said: Time flies. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6840301#6840301
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wow...
Wow.
I personally would rather not have to rely on opiates every day. Been there.
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azramb said: A solid dose of edible cannabis helps almost as good or possibly better in some cases as any opiate at treating most types of pain I think.
Completely false.
Take it from someone who experiences nerve pain, physical pain, and phantom pain daily. Cannabis is not a pain killer and doesnât work even remotely as good as opiates for pain cessation.
Oh and @OP: You absolutely can shoot 8mg Dilaudid. Itâs best if you have a micron filter but youâre gunna do it either way arenât you?
At VERY LEAST use of the street works proper cotton filters. The ones that are super tight much more dense than a cigarette filter or cotton swab. Filter it twice. Maybe 3 times through new cotton. You donât want any non soluble filler in your veins.
My method was to put the dilly in a spoon with 1cc water and gently heat, thisâll make the pill easier to crush. Next crush it in the water super fine. Heat up to almost a soft boil then stop and let the sediment settle. Top the spoon trying to keep most of the sediment on in side. Use your filter to suck up the solution.
Add another .5cc of water to the spoon and stir it good, heat lightly again, let the sediment settle, using a clean filter suck up the remaining solution.
Add both solutions to a clean spoon, lightly heat and look for anything waxy looking floating on the surface of the water. Filter again with a clean filter for safety.
If you do this very meticulously you wonât lose more than 1mg worth of Hydromorphone from your 8mg pill. Youâll be easily looking at a 7-8mg shot of delicious hydro!!
Of course thereâs inherent risk with this method if you didnât replace the cotton filters with a micron filter.
But I will admit I used that method to shoot Dilaudid for over a year. Am I fine now? Well Iâm alive.
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Re: dilaudid iv safety [Re: Zombi3]
#26613416 - 04/19/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Idc what you put into your body.
But from a harm reduction standpoint, I woudld never inject pills.
If you choose to, here is some advice on the subject.
Stay safe!
https://drugs-forum.com/threads/injecting-hydromorphone.133000/
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Some pills are debatably cleaner to inject than street dope. Many formulations use very little binder and the binder they do use is benign, even better sometimes itâs insoluble so youâre able to filter out %100 of the filler leaving a solution of pure clean drugs.
Thereâs a stigma behind pills and no Iâm not endorsing it, I donât support it, Iâm a recovered addict, but itâs false to say that shooting pills has any more inherent risk than shooting anything else.
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Re: dilaudid iv safety [Re: Zombi3]
#26627022 - 04/25/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I appreciate the concern , and the humanity in this thread. I use proper cotton filters given to me by organizations. very tight, solid filters. I want to get micron filters. I use alcohol to disinfect. I have a sterile cooker that I use every time. Clean syringe every time. Sterle water given to me by same organizations, that is meant for shooting . Ive talked to the doctors and as far as they are concerned shooting dilaudid is much safer than fent or heroin There is no bacteria to worry about, and you know some asshole isn't going to put some poison or some bad shit into it. Its essentially just starch and hydrmorphone. Imo thats mug safer than street dope. especially when you know the dose. So while I understand the concern, I feel much safer than the average dope addict. That being said it is obviously inherently risky, and not something really anyone should be doing on a daily basis if they value they health. Im going to be moving Ito a family friends house, and I will be stopping the injection part of the using. thanks !
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But opiate addictions is honestly easy, I would take it over the tough relationship I have with my father

Sorry op :P good luck with the addiction. Maybe consider some intensive therapy as a third way.
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But opiate addictions is honestly easy, I would take it over the tough relationship I have with my father

Opiate addictions might start out with a sense of control, they can easily seem like a self regulating drug in a productive lifestyle. But theyâll quickly tear you down and rob you of any productivity. Opiates become demonically addictive in a relatively short amount of time. Opiates are not something you can keep in check easily, itâs a drug that wants you out of control, itâs like a curse and it lasts a lifetime, even if you manage to clean up youâre never the same person. Opiates are destructive and should be treated with respect. They will ruin your life if youâre not careful and you wonât even see it coming until itâs far too late.
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Re: dilaudid iv safety [Re: Zombi3]
#26627096 - 04/25/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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ok when I said that I meant at the time of that post my addiction was really of little consequence. I mean I would go to the pharmacy, pick up my dope, or go to the street find my dope and go to the safe injection site. There was little downside, and honestly just upside of getting high a lot and hanging out with other degenerates shooting the shit.
Ive been to rehabs, ive been around many addicts and heard many stories. I know how hard it can be, but it doesn't mean opiate addictions is hard for everyone all the time. theres variation like anything in life
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Ok I see what you meant.
Opiate addiction was an easy one to keep going in your life. Itâs easy to get the drugs, itâs easy to get the gear, itâs easy to find junkies to spend your time with. And I wonât lie some of the best people Iâve met were junkies, some of the best times Iâve had were shooting dope in abandoned buildings or squats. When you have no aspirations and youâre living care free on the street then youâre right opiate addiction is pretty easy to live with. When itâs the only thing you have to worry about in a day itâs a very easy addiction to take care of. And it is enjoyable in its own way, the culture I mean. Itâs like entering another dimension when opiates become your sole focus in life.
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