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Re: What is love? [Re: feevers] 1
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I came here just to post this.
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LogicaL Chaos said: Love is a mutual feeling. Its not in one direction. It had to be mutual Being in
I don't believe this is true, but I did not bring a sword nor would I unsheath it.
My parents exemplify this much. I have been a pain in the ass, and made it very difficult to love me. At times, Love would not be in my vocabulary for them. Still, their love persists.
Or, you ever have the realization/trip/whathaveyou where you realize the warmth and glow of this nurturing earth? That was not absent despite you not being aware of it.
There are other examples, but if you thought this through before you posted you are entitled to your thoughts.
In my opinion, there has to be some kind of mutual exchange of love. To me, that is true Love or at least a major part of it.
Fair enough. If it's anything to anything, I love your internet/avator/thingy - you know - the stuff we choose to share with each other.
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Everything abour the OP reads textbook sociopath
I assume they will never feel love because you have to give it to get it similar to respect
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ichugwindex said: Everything abour the OP reads textbook sociopath
I assume they will never feel love because you have to give it to get it similar to respect
I don’t think so since I still care about animals, it’s just people that I have a complication with
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ichugwindex said: Everything abour the OP reads textbook sociopath
I assume they will never feel love because you have to give it to get it similar to respect
I don’t think so since I still care about animals, it’s just people that I have a complication with
You know. Often, thoughts become true in one way or another. You act like your complications are forever true. Not true unless you will it. At one time your interactions with humanoids were complicated, but a new path is forged before you.
Sure, your journey, based on your biology and all that, may make your journey more difficult than some (rest assured, others have other burdens to bear), but don't give up the fight before you start by being so concrete about your past. Well, in my opinion anyway.
Humanoids like positivity. Hell, look at you here, curious about love? You crave it too. You love reading it. Getting a taste of it. The more positivity and love you find in yourself, the more you can appreciate everyone else's humanity. The more love for yourself, the more you can spill here. Love attracts love.
Humans are disgusting. Disgustingly beautiful. You'll catch it if you try.
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I couldn't agree more about animals being tops. I think you should just acknowledge that and run with it. All it takes for me is a slight buzz and I run away from all the adults around me so I can get quality pup time. The animals get me and I get them. Maybe commit?
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Try this Thano,
Injectable oxytocin
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I am not sure what love is either. I know what it isn't though, because I'm polyamorous, and people continually tell me that I'm a horrible person for not experiencing love the same way they do. I want to know what jealousy is, because maybe if I felt it more, I could love people the way they want me to.
It really sucks when you fall for someone but they don't get it that you love someone else too. Just because you can't give them what they want from you, they think it's okay to do the most awful things to you. It really leaves me wondering if they really know what love is. I don't love one person to hurt another and I don't think I deserve to be hurt for being honest. I guess all I really know about love is that it isn't for everyone.
I'd keep your interest in it clinical. It is much less painful like that.
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Love is unconditional.

Unconditional love is for life.
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Balanced more like it. Middle way is generally the best place to see both sides of a spectrum from at once and in equal perspective.
Anyways, I think this thread and all of you are disgustingly beautiful. There was some great human wisdom and experience and questions laid bare here.
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watermelon mon said: Love is unconditional.

Unconditional love is for life.
I don't think anything is unconditional, well not love anyway. To know that you would have to test it in literally any and all conditions.
But maybe I'm just bitter at humanity.
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bound2grow said: I am not sure what love is either. I know what it isn't though, because I'm polyamorous, and people continually tell me that I'm a horrible person for not experiencing love the same way they do. I want to know what jealousy is, because maybe if I felt it more, I could love people the way they want me to.
It really sucks when you fall for someone but they don't get it that you love someone else too. Just because you can't give them what they want from you, they think it's okay to do the most awful things to you. It really leaves me wondering if they really know what love is. I don't love one person to hurt another and I don't think I deserve to be hurt for being honest. I guess all I really know about love is that it isn't for everyone.
I'd keep your interest in it clinical. It is much less painful like that.
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LogicaL Chaos said: Im sorry to hear about your losses. Animal-human love is real. U mentioned u are on the autism spectrum? That will definitely make finding love difficult but not impossible! Just difficult.
In the meantime, pursue your animal friends. Nothing wrong with that sort of love. Its special in its own right and from my experience, people on the spectrum have great relationships with animals.
Someday, you will meet the right guy. But its going to be a challenge for you as you already know.
For me, Love is the Highest High and the Lowest Low. I have mixed feelings about it. But in the end, its pretty great to feel Love towards an animal or person. I believe its one of the purposes of Life, to experience what Love is and to share a bond with a person or animal.
To me true love is pain (but not like “physical” pain). If it didn’t hurt when it’s gone, like gone gone, then it wasn’t love. Oddly enough I don’t consider heartbreak a bad thing, it’s enjoyable in a weird way. ...
okay, so you kind of answered my question without responding to me and if that is because my question was super insensitive, you have my apologies and if it is because you are too distracted by your current conversation and I'm just an egotistical bitch, you likewise have my apologies

but this is where my specific quote came in, and desire to reference the song
to me, one the characteristics of feeling love for another person is never wanting to hurt them unless they ask
emotions flare and cause tempers to flare, and people who are close have the most hurtful insults for each other but in a real genuine and down to earth way, at the core, you want to not hurt them; to protect them from being hurt
think that is where the pain of loss of animals hits home for so many people it's often a case of trying so hard to make their life better and being upset with having to recognize reaching a point where we can't
can respect where you are coming from with heartbreak, but personally feel that level of enjoyment comes from what it teaches me about myself and what role it plays in helping me grow it does not strengthen my feelings of endearment towards the person as a means of providing enjoyment
Well I felt happy because it meant I had those feelings inside me and I feared I was some kind of robot.
If I were to go by your definition then I love turtles.
But when it comes to humans I have some baseline level of contempt for them as a whole, likely because of how they hurt the planet and each other, sometimes for stupid reasons. As such I never really had love for them. People speak of loving someone like a brother but that is lost on me as I don’t have love for my brother. It just seems weird.
All I ever felt was really just sexual attraction to guys I find hot but not love. Not care that wasn’t out of some sense of obligation. From what I see they can rot once I’m done with them, but I feel for the animals as they are innocent in the destruction of the planet.
Sorry if that came out cold but I wanted to accurately convey my feelings.
So this sounds like you are dealing with some really tough issues, and want to be up front with my hope not to likewise sound cold or like your issues do not matter
first, thank you for clarifying with regards to the importance of recognizing having such feelings it helps me comprehend a bit better where your baseline is at
my definition, or the start of my definition, was very much meant to encompass such forms of love as that for turtles
compassion and empathy are other powerful emotions if we choose to focus on them, and important to understanding the spectrum of emotions that loosely get clumped under love
The Blind Ass was kind enough to touch early on on perceptions of multiple types of love but think it is important to establish that sort of comprehension of just how broad love can be before trying to get into affairs of how deep love can be
would like to refer you to the title under my username have been a misanthrope since at least 18 even now, consider my position to be that a human can be beautiful and worthy of love but humans as a collective species are more of a viral strain on the planet that could be just giving myself blind spots to individuals, or it could be a reflection of how dangerous and influential herd mentality is
but will not attempt to necessarily use this as an opportunity to try and liken myself to you in terms of experiences my lack of understanding of what it means to love someone like a brother comes from a lack of a brother 
in terms of close friendship love tho again, there is the baseline of not wanting to hurt them unless you are the sorts who playfully razz each other back and forth, but then it still comes from a space of not wanting to go too far
but there is an additional layer of support that comes through that may pertain to doing things that do not appeal to the individual ego and includes the sort of self-sacrifice that Enlil spoke of
While considering the view that sexual partners can rot after sex to seem kind of detestable to me do recognize that it is not actually abnormal as a position, so do not consider you abnormal for it but it does bring forth some level of concern, or at least confusion, as to the not having a meaningful romantic relationship yet
the instinctual questioning response it evokes in me is do you believe any other human to be capable of being good to the Earth, and you have just not found them? and to what degree do you feel your own culpibility in terms of the human disease? is a sort of harshness on yourself some of what coloured the seeming appeal of solipsism, or do you find yourself confused in understanding connections like love because you hold yourself as independent from the plague we have wrought?
a view of not being part of it would catch me a bit more off guard here, and am sort of suspecting a degree of self-loathing but it feels important to ask for clarification in terms of how that may help me wrap my head around your experiencing lack of romantic connections
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Re: What is love? [Re: Tantrika] 2
#26626283 - 04/25/20 05:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: What is love? [Re: Asante]
#26626401 - 04/25/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Seen some very good posts in this thread.
Here's an interesting video on the topic
For me, loving someone simply means I'd enjoy seeing them happy and doing well.
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Re: What is love? [Re: Asante]
#26626692 - 04/25/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Highly irrelevant as usual.
But to respond to Tantrika Solipsism doesn’t really appeal to me, as it has its own problems for me. Your talk of compassion and empathy is useless if the idea was true as everything being just my mental projection would nullify love and any concern for other things.
I have not met any human who seems good to earth or isn’t wrapped in some nonsense that helps perpetuate that feeling. Every human I have met lacks vision and just can’t see what’s alright in front of them and I’m tired of trying to explain myself to them. I don’t understand connections like love because I haven’t really felt it for humans. I never had friends just playmates ever since I was a kid. I would hand around to play and stuff like that but I wasn’t truly interested in there personal lives, unless I wanted something from them. Like if want led to “get with them” or something.
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Highly irrelevant as usual.
The Rabbi gives the best possible definition of love, posted in a reply to your request for people to define love for you.
If you factually *get* what he's saying there then you understand true love better than 90% of people.
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I don’t understand connections like love because I haven’t really felt it for humans.
The guy is laying out a logical construct that allows you to understand it even without access to the emotions involved.
There is a reason that video has 11.000+ likes and only 141 dislikes. He says it like it is.
I'm starting to dislike your ass first dismissals to my helpful replies.
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Re: What is love? [Re: Asante]
#26626890 - 04/25/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Asante said: Highly relevant:
Highly irrelevant as usual.
The Rabbi gives the best possible definition of love, posted in a reply to your request for people to define love for you.
If you factually *get* what he's saying there then you understand true love better than 90% of people.
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I don’t understand connections like love because I haven’t really felt it for humans.
The guy is laying out a logical construct that allows you to understand it even without access to the emotions involved.
There is a reason that video has 11.000+ likes and only 141 dislikes. He says it like it is.
I'm starting to dislike your ass first dismissals to my helpful replies.
He does not because every form of love is rooted in receiving something in some manner, even if that means the joy you get from helping someone.
He’s also drawing a false equivalence with loving fish, which just means the kid really likes it. He loves eating it, the story reads too much into that instance which is no surprise for religion.
His definition also sucks in thinking of love as investing in someone, which is also the problem. When I give to someone I expect nothing back. I don’t love them, but I had a whim to do something nice for them, which happens. But I am not investing or any of that selfish nonsense. I ask for nothing and expect nothing.
Like I said, a sadly irrelevant video, also 11,000 likes is peanuts on YouTube. It’s also irrelevant if solipsism is true.
There isn’t logic to his words, it sounds like what you’d expect from a made of religion, a transactional love.
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