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Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob
    #26620970 - 04/22/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hey guys. So i've decided to start growing mushies.
I have a decent sized closet i could fit about 15? Monotubs in. Not sure yet, but we will find out!

Im researching as much as i can and will keep questions and such to a minimal. Ive got a green thumb for cannabis and know how easy it is to over and underthink things, so i feel i got a good chance. Im definitely gonna start slow and build my way up, we will see.

Im yet to order spores and am compliling my supplies list.

I will get a pressure cooker

I will use spawn bags but am going to do agar. Def sold on agar. Just wanna get the ball rolling and just inject some bags/jars.

Heres my list so far. Will work on numbers and update.

Craig's/offerup/walmart
Air filter
Pressure cooker
Still air box (I'll make)
Monotubs (have yet to figure size)
Rye berries or oats for spawn
Wide mouth pint jars (maybe quart, but will take longer)
Everything for sterilizing
Gloves, masks, tyvek suit
Small fan for air circ in closet.

Supply site:
Compost mix
A few spawn bags
Injection lids
Agar materials? Will look around
Casing mix


Spores:
Still deciding. Was gonna do GT until i read bunch of trip reports. Ive had amazonians that made me see david bowies spirit in the curtain. There was like three of him. Hard to explain.
Either way im leaning towards B+ and penis envy. I understand penis envy is difficult but im feeling confident and patient.

If i forgot anything let me know, or let me know what you think so far.

Will update with closet picture, size, among other things. Peace out yall.

ChapoEscobar


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26621006 - 04/22/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Best of luck & Look forward to seeing the progress


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: shevanel]
    #26623379 - 04/23/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Good luck, curious to see how this works out.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: hazymarmot]
    #26623570 - 04/23/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Im actually gonna buy a Grow Tent and use that as a huge fruiting chamber 2x4xwhatever.
so now im looking into ultrasonic humidifiers and stuff?
no more monotubs..
i have the money so why not do a tent instead of opening 15 monotubs. will update


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    #26623602 - 04/23/20 10:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: sporenomore]
    #26623623 - 04/23/20 11:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I fucking love the trip GT gives. it's usually a more comfortable trip even at 14g and higher doses. It's probably my favorite cube to trip on.
Also PE isn't any harder. it does like a casing but that can be as simple as buying a bag of jiffy seed starter mix. Putting it on top and misting. I have gotten away with using it straight out the bag bit stopped doing that after I lost 3 tubs in a row that were cases with jiffy straight out the bag and the 3 that had only a coir psudocase(sp) did fine. All were from the same spawn run. It can be gotten away with though. You can also run it uncased if you don't mind a whole first flush of blobs.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: sporenomore]
    #26623733 - 04/24/20 12:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks my brothas!

i actually grew with 15 x 1000w hps/mh lights the last time i grew in this warehouse/shed. i also did guerilla growing in this forest behind my house for like 5 years. id fill back packs with gallon jugs of nutrient water along with 4 in each hand. gotta do it big yo!


anyways i actually ordered my pressure cooker the 16qt presto today. all american in the future.

As for GTs i was reading trip reports and it seemed like for every 3 reviews was someone who loved it, someone who was 3 stars and then someone who hated it and said absolutely nothing happened so idk it just had me second guessing the GTs.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26623746 - 04/24/20 01:04 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Start agar asap, you'll be glad you did. I have a pretty comprehensive guide in my sig

If you use the streaking technique in my sig you can have a clean culture in 2 transfers easy, and that's playing it safe

I'd skip spores straight to grain. Spores are never sterile. It might work but might as well skip the noob stuff and hit the ground running

You dont need compost mix. Just buy coir bricks, run straight coir sub. It's the most forgiving and what most pros use

Casing wise just toplayer coir, or buy jiffy seed starter and adjust ph to 7.5-8

16qt is too small man. Check craigslist and find at least a 21qt AA or a 27qt presto . Itll take you ages to do as much grain as you need to do in a 16qt

You dont need air filter or tyvek suit

Definitely get quart jars, widemouth. Smaller ain't gonna work well at all for the volume you are trying to do

Also I'd hold off on the tent for now. Just stick to monotubs, it's the most forgiving bulk method. Cakes or bottles would work to but I think monos suit you best. Greenhouses can take a while to dial in and have a much steeper learning curve. Monotubs are di way brudda

Also you need lights, ideally 6500k fluorescent LED. I use led strips as well. And you need timers,  especially for a closet

Also I'd recommend removing all the personally identifiable info from your post

I think you are gonna do great :smile:


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26623846 - 04/24/20 03:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Friendly reminder that it doesn't matter what cube strain you get


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: Corundum]
    #26623906 - 04/24/20 04:15 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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Friendly reminder that it doesn't matter what cube strain you get





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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: Je77Ce11ar]
    #26625340 - 04/24/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

well it seems like were in a bit of a pickle, dick.

ill just get another pressure cooker, fuck it. and monotubs it is, i just really really like the appeal of a tent set up properly. and yes i was gonna just buy a led strip light thing you get for kids rooms.

and as for info ill make sure to edit..
wonder how many times RR has been raided.. youre right, better safe than sorry.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26625353 - 04/24/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)



i got this air purifier today and love it, never owned one before.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26625460 - 04/24/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

We are all good boys here. We dindu nuffin


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26625505 - 04/24/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

and i totally understand ordering spores a little more now. its not like cannabis seeds, but it is. either way im not picky. i ordered Koh Super strain and Golden Teacher so i can do both and whichever is vigorous and strong will be the one, since a cube is a cube is a cube right?




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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar] * 1
    #26625614 - 04/24/20 08:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I run 15 66qt tubs, just give you an idea,  I use a hair under 50lbs of rye a run, 6- qt jars to each sub. Be prepared for tons- of kitchen time. I use 2 PC's, cut my time down to about 50 hours a month.

I would stagger your tubs like batches of 5, 7-10 days apart. You'll thank me even harvesting 5 tubs a wack, and you won't get 15 tubs worth in dehydrator, let alone 2.

Also do not put faith into 1 genetic line ( one agar plate)line of genetics. Nothing like getting 8 lbs of bunk, or tiny fruit.
I use about 3-4 different cultures ( may be same variety). Even now, I would never do 15 tubs all from the same master, you think it can be predictable, but I never put all faith into 1 culture. I always have at least 25 master qt jars in my fridge. Always have back up, something doesn't go right, your going to waste a month germinating new spores, agar, grain.

make extra agar plates, I constantly have 20-30 plates in fridge, that are clean and ready to use.

I will also mention, I wouldn't waste tons of a time, money, and energy jumping into 15 tubs, start with 2-3, get your sterile technique down, learn your G2G procedure, agar work. If you plan on doing 15 tubs from untested spores, there's a high chance you'll be disappointed.

I was large cannabis grower, grew up on a 500 acre horse farm, have a natural talent for growing, however I jstarted with 2 tubs, then 5, then hit 15. You need to know what your doing, so you aren't tossing 15 tubs and a month of work.  Just my advice. Out of 3 years, say 200+ tubs, I only lost one to trich. It's expensive, lost time, and heart breaking, even to toss 1 tub, let alone 15.

From ground zero, do three tubs of different genetics, from agar of course, get clone culture from this tubs, do three more tubs of the same, as those growing, do 3-4, even up to 6 ,if necessary, transfers of your clone culture plates
Then I would 4 make 4-6 new agar plates of each, once it's ready to use, use one for master grain jar, out remaining plates in fridge. If things go smoothly, and you do it correctly, and as newb cultivator, plan on 6-7 months to get up to full steam. Starting from spores, cloning, testing the clone in 1 tub, before doing several, then if results are good, run with it. The process won't happen overnight.

For me, having tons of masters available, I could shut down shop for 2 months, but have 15 tubs in production in under 2 weeks, with tried and trusted clone cultures. Even clone cultures need to be tested before making multiple tubs.

It's a lot work, you gotta be dedicated, can't be a slacker. Baby steps brother! My advice is if you plan on going long term, not one and done.

If it wasn't for stay at home covid stuff, I would never type this much,lol.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: Tstone]
    #26625799 - 04/24/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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I run 15 66qt tubs, just give you an idea,  I use a hair under 50lbs of rye a run, 6- qt jars to each sub. Be prepared for tons- of kitchen time. I use 2 PC's, cut my time down to about 50 hours a month.

I would stagger your tubs like batches of 5, 7-10 days apart. You'll thank me even harvesting 5 tubs a wack, and you won't get 15 tubs worth in dehydrator, let alone 2.

Also do not put faith into 1 genetic line ( one agar plate)line of genetics. Nothing like getting 8 lbs of bunk, or tiny fruit.
I use about 3-4 different cultures ( may be same variety). Even now, I would never do 15 tubs all from the same master, you think it can be predictable, but I never put all faith into 1 culture. I always have at least 25 master qt jars in my fridge. Always have back up, something doesn't go right, your going to waste a month germinating new spores, agar, grain.

make extra agar plates, I constantly have 20-30 plates in fridge, that are clean and ready to use.

I will also mention, I wouldn't waste tons of a time, money, and energy jumping into 15 tubs, start with 2-3, get your sterile technique down, learn your G2G procedure, agar work. If you plan on doing 15 tubs from untested spores, there's a high chance you'll be disappointed.

I was large cannabis grower, grew up on a 500 acre horse farm, have a natural talent for growing, however I jstarted with 2 tubs, then 5, then hit 15. You need to know what your doing, so you aren't tossing 15 tubs and a month of work.  Just my advice. Out of 3 years, say 200+ tubs, I only lost one to trich. It's expensive, lost time, and heart breaking, even to toss 1 tub, let alone 15.

From ground zero, do three tubs of different genetics, from agar of course, get clone culture from this tubs, do three more tubs of the same, as those growing, do 3-4, even up to 6 ,if necessary, transfers of your clone culture plates
Then I would 4 make 4-6 new agar plates of each, once it's ready to use, use one for master grain jar, out remaining plates in fridge. If things go smoothly, and you do it correctly, and as newb cultivator, plan on 6-7 months to get up to full steam. Starting from spores, cloning, testing the clone in 1 tub, before doing several, then if results are good, run with it. The process won't happen overnight.

For me, having tons of masters available, I could shut down shop for 2 months, but have 15 tubs in production in under 2 weeks, with tried and trusted clone cultures. Even clone cultures need to be tested before making multiple tubs.

It's a lot work, you gotta be dedicated, can't be a slacker. Baby steps brother! My advice is if you plan on going long term, not one and done.

If it wasn't for stay at home covid stuff, I would never type this much,lol.




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Yea most ppl dont realize the work that goes into running like 5 tubs consistently let alone 15 or like most ppl i know 30+

And yea great point on harvesting!


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: Je77Ce11ar]
    #26625859 - 04/24/20 10:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

dude, tstone, thanks so much for the info! well i got a free syringe with the two. ill jump online and order maybe some B+ and ApeR when theyre available. i just watched the RR dvd and am gonna rewatch so im still stuffin my head. i already lived with a roomie who grew, been picking for chantrells, and cooked with morels in a fine dining restaurant (among lionsmane etc but i love the morels for cream sauce) but i dont wanna let you guys down, and your story is definitely the one i want to follow! you see where im going. im down to start slow, baby :wink:


as for cloning and flushes i love watching this guys vids! stay chubby lol (somethin he says)


im gonna get a mini fridge for agar and such. ill hide the rest in arbys bags in the main fridge haha. ill take a pic of my room and closet. my closet is 2x4x8 you think i can fit 66 qts? we will see


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26625922 - 04/24/20 11:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

For 15 tubs, you'll need more than a mini fridge,lol. Just germinating spores on agar, making some transfers to more agar, then having 1 fully colonized master jar, is probably 4-6 week process. Then with master you make a few extra  jars, 6 for a tub( 10-12 days for those jars to colonize, so now 6 -7 weeks, and still no tub, if things go smoothly, and environment is suitable for jar colonizing) 1-3 in fridge for next round, or keep 2 jars in fridge, I've had 100% success at 3 month fridge storage ( mine usually in fridge for 6-8 weeks before used, but have several T1 masters that are pushing 2.5 months.Mini fridges can be very inconsistent with temps. If your cultures, agar or colonized grain jars freeze, they are done. Have 10O% confidence in the fridge, 36-38 degrees ideal.

Just giving you a synapsis of time lines, work load, I find, for myself, one man team, 15 tubs is pushing my maximum, and I do 5 tubs x3 staggered, there is only empty space for a set of 5 tubs for a day in fruiting, jars all set for next round, 5 other colonizing tubs in sperate area,  are ready to go in go in, Also, planning very important. I have my tubs down within 4 days, from making tub, til spent tub, if I want to get out of town, can make an airline reservation 3-4 months ahead, and my grow area empty, without killing tubs early.its constant, full time job,lol. You HAVE TO HAVE PASSION! People burn out after 2 rounds running several tubs. Without passion, you slack off, neglect, on so on, and it seems more of a chore that you hate! Lol 15 tubs is way beyond the hobby scale.

Some begginers have a dream of getting 10 lbs in under 60 days, just saying, it won't happen. Not you specifically, but it's time consuming,and procedural.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: Tstone]
    #26625937 - 04/25/20 12:04 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-4-3-cu-ft-top-freezer-refrigerator-stainless-steel/6173901.p?skuId=6173901

sure i cant get away with something as big as this AND my fridge?

let me go post a pic of my fridge. it is EMPTY. roomies and i rarely use it, i doubt theyll even know i have stuff in there. ill even bet money on it lol.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26625950 - 04/25/20 12:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Staging is definitely necessary if it’s just you.  You can practice multiple tubs by doing 6 shoe boxes in stages, keep track of everything time wise and easily figure out a larger scale grow by simply multiplying your work load.  Shoe boxes are good for culture tests too.. nice and fast without a lot of risk

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