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Led Zeppelin said: Breathe, breathe in the air Don't be afraid to care Leave but don't leave me Look around, choose your own ground For long you live and high you fly And smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry And all you touch and all you see Is all your life will ever be
Think about it Thano
That’s not really helpful at all.
Honestly I did think that seeing the future was proof of solipsism.
But the thing is it’s only in my dreams that I see things and there’s no way to know which dream is right until it happens. I mean if there were a time frame or something that would help.
It’s telling you to be mindful, be a human, go your own way, live YOUR life, and that shit is going to happen good and bad and that is all you have at the end of it all. That is the advice you need man trust me. Stay in the present, decide what you want and experience it
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Jokeshopbeard
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Re: Future vision? [Re: PatrickKn] 1
#26624938 - 04/24/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: I keep telling you it isn’t true though as none of that is why I am currently depressed.
I believe depression often gets mischaracterized as disorder caused by trauma, negative thought patterns and general apathy towards things as they are, and people try to snuff out the causes of depression thinking those are it's actual roots. Instead I see depression as something which causes trauma to come up again, and which causes negative thoughts to surface, instead of being born of those things. People are so often looking for the source of their depression semantically and psychoanalytically that we often avoid entirely the health, wellness and lifestyle aspects of moving forward rather than trying to fix what's behind you or in your thoughts.
That you only tried diet and exercise for a little bit and it didn't work immediately is somewhat telling. As a similar example, nicotine addicts often believe that smoking reduces their stress and anxiety, when the opposite is true - nicotine withdrawal causes stress and anxiety. It's one of the prime motivators people use to keep smoking, and a similar kind of circular reasoning is at play in many people's depression.
Depression is more often a medical issue caused by things like activity level, addictive habits, diet and a general lack of both social and personal stimulation - than it is by the things you think about when depressed. It's easy to think of a certain thought or realization that comes up when you are depressed as somehow formative in the causes of your depression because they are a common thought when you have a negative feeling, but you are ultimately chasing at rainbows if thinking the answer to alleviating your depression is found by solving the answers to your thoughts while depressed.
You mention having tried diet, sleep, social interaction and exercise before, but at what level truly and how does that compare to your current habits and relationships? How do you know that these aren't the sources of your depression, and if those things aren't, in as concise a way you can think of for your own benefit, what do you believe to be the actual source?
I was depressed for many years before changing my sleep, exercise and dieting habits. It doesn't happen overnight, but as weird as it sounds you can literally feel the difference.
To point out why I'm saying all this, you have alluded to a deeper problem at hand somehow related to both depression and solipsism, but have not been completely clear and concise as to what the problem is nor why you believe you are depressed. I'm under the impression that you believe you can solve both the underlying question of whether this is a solipsist reality and alleviate your depression at the same time, when perhaps the best route is to instead alleviate your depression through otherwise effective methods and tackle the issue of solipsism from an entirely new perspective.
Such an epic post.
A million +1's to you sir!
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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The Blind Ass
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So true, I can tell you’ve also dealt or do deal with it from the way you write about it. Nicely written.
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Re: Future vision? [Re: PatrickKn] 1
#26624997 - 04/24/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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PatrickKn, you blew my mind. WOW. 
That post was Magical.
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Jokeshopbeard
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PatrickKn said: I was depressed for many years before changing my sleep, exercise and dieting habits. It doesn't happen overnight, but as weird as it sounds you can literally feel the difference.
This bit especially. I spent 3.5 years in what some would call 'the long dark night of the soul', and another year lost in the mires of nihilism after, not so long ago, and I'll say for sure it took a fuckton of time and effort to get out of it.
The discipline required to stop oneself falling into unhealthy habits and thought patterns, along with the discipline required to build and maintan a healthy routine and habits is simply monumental when one has fallen to rock bottom. And it doesn't get any more rock bottom than when one is seriously considering suicide IMO, because further down than that is dead.
And even then, keeping it all on point over time is a whole nother challenge.
It's funny how many times I've seen people over the years - who are at very low points and looking for a way back - say 'well I've tried ______ but it just didn't work'; like eating well for a week, or exercising intermittently for a short time should be a magic cure and instantly they should feel that all their issues are resolved.
BUT.. it just doesn't work like that. It takes hard, concerted, disciplined effort and concentration, over many months, before one really starts to feel the change. I often lament on the fact that 'nothing good comes easy' in this life, but fact is, that's just how it has always worked, for any human, ever. There's no snake oil cure for ones problems other than a fucking lot of time and an even bigger fucking lot of effort. You get out what you put in.
But still, I don't think many of us really want to hear that; much less so when the world looks dark and bleak and one can't see the point to any of it anyway.
The point only comes clear, IME, when one has sufficiently worked to clear ones 'head fog' so one can see it.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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PatrickKn said: I was depressed for many years before changing my sleep, exercise and dieting habits. It doesn't happen overnight, but as weird as it sounds you can literally feel the difference.
This bit especially. I spent 3.5 years in what some would call 'the long dark night of the soul', and another year lost in the mires of nihilism after, not so long ago, and I'll say for sure it took a fuckton of time and effort to get out of it.
The discipline required to stop oneself falling into unhealthy habits and thought patterns, along with the discipline required to build and maintan a healthy routine and habits is simply monumental when one has fallen to rock bottom. And it doesn't get any more rock bottom than when one is seriously considering suicide IMO, because further down than that is dead.
And even then, keeping it all on point over time is a whole nother challenge.
It's funny how many times I've seen people over the years - who are at very low points and looking for a way back - say 'well I've tried ______ but it just didn't work'; like eating well for a week, or exercising intermittently for a short time should be a magic cure and instantly they should feel that all their issues are resolved.
BUT.. it just doesn't work like that. It takes hard, concerted, disciplined effort and concentration, over many months, before one really starts to feel the change. I often lament on the fact that 'nothing good comes easy' in this life, but fact is, that's just how it has always worked, for any human, ever. There's no snake oil cure for ones problems other than a fucking lot of time and an even bigger fucking lot of effort. You get out what you put in.
But still, I don't think many of us really want to hear that; much less so when the world looks dark and bleak and one can't see the point to any of it anyway.
The point only comes clear, IME, when one has sufficiently worked to clear ones 'head fog' so one can see it.
Fucking perfect mate!
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