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What am I missing here? 1
#26624823 - 04/24/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm very new here, and I don't have any growing experience yet. I thought I was sure of what I was going to do, but after checking out the getting started forum I am not sure.
From what I'd read on Reddit, it seemed like there was a tried and true way of doing a PF Tech. Some of the things people are asking in the getting started forum have me wondering now. Are the people in there just making up their own stuff as they go? I just saw a post about a still air box with a chimney in it for the alcohol lamp. I obviously have no idea what the box is supposed to look like if I am supposed to have a chimney in my still air box.
I feel like maybe I need to unlearn everything I have learned so far and start over if this is how things are supposed to be done. Or, are these people not getting it? Like, all the questions in there are either people who really don't have any idea how to do mushrooms, or else I totally don't even get it.
Should I just pick a PF Tech and do it, and ignore the getting started forum, or do I need to go back to square one? Give it to me straight, I can take it.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: bound2grow] 1
#26624836 - 04/24/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pick a tek and follow it to the T.
Anymore questions just post here.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: bound2grow]
#26624838 - 04/24/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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A lot is given to maintaining a sterile environment. While it's true, I have found just working in an open/clean environment (and being clean yourself) is sufficient. I think people get really into the hobby and just start finding ways to take it to the next level.
Wash your hands, cover your mouth, and spray your work area.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: shevanel]
#26624843 - 04/24/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Simple enough! Thank you.
The getting started forum is very confusing.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: bound2grow] 1
#26624885 - 04/24/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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My advice is as you are googling Shroomery stuff with your questions PAY ATTENTION TO THE DATES of the post.
Some of the old stuff is wrong, dumb, and otherwise. Since getting back into it after a decade long hiatus I have had nothing but success following anything written by bod. Easy As Fuck = KISS, "Keep it simple, stupid"
And there's nothing more beneficial to growing cubensis than keeping it simple I've found so far. Every attempt to complicate things adds another vector of fuck uppery.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: starbones] 1
#26624933 - 04/24/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dont make a chimney. I wouldnt place a flame inside of a plastic box. Thats dangerous haha...
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: genesis128] 2
#26625163 - 04/24/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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The getting started forum is where new people post retarded ideas. Don't confuse that for trusted techniques. Read stickies and links within the signatures of trusted cultivators. People with higher post counts are generally safer than those with 1-5.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: Smartattack] 1
#26625167 - 04/24/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Smartattack said: The getting started forum is where new people post retarded ideas. Don't confuse that for trusted techniques. Read stickies and links within the signatures of trusted cultivators. People with higher post counts are generally safer than those with 1-5.
Okay, finally someone just said it. Thank you. That's what I was wondering about.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: bound2grow] 1
#26625469 - 04/24/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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..and there are those with tens of thousands of posts that are clueless noobs. Trust but verify.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: reez]
#26625480 - 04/24/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Reez: terrible advice.
Ladysknight your not talking about me again 
Bound2grow: use the search function and click on the trusted Cultivators button and sear for Bodhisatta.
He has everything well documented.
And feel free to ask any questions here.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: Sockadin]
#26625528 - 04/24/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Na bra, present company excluded.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: genesis128] 3
#26625538 - 04/24/20 07:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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genesis128 said: Dont make a chimney. I wouldnt place a flame inside of a plastic box. Thats dangerous haha...
not to mention the still air box is supposed to have, well.. Still air, a flame would create air currents
Also, if youre planning on doing this as a hobby or whatever and its not just a one time thing, buy a pressure cooker and skip pf tek and go straight to grains. Just my opinion though
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: LadysKnight] 1
#26625541 - 04/24/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I did absolutely everything wrong. But was clean enough, that it was fool proof you got this.
Keep it clean, and keep it simple. the simpler, the better.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: bound2grow] 1
#26625550 - 04/24/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Try this Tek out. Its the best: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24179086
The forums are a bit confusing at first, so take your time to figure out all the buttons and navigation.
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LadysKnight said: ..and there are those with tens of thousands of posts that are clueless noobs. Trust but verify.
Not naming names either, but too much truth in this post. There's some who lurk in the southern forums down there...yikes.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: reez] 1
#26625712 - 04/24/20 09:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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reez said: A lot is given to maintaining a sterile environment. While it's true, I have found just working in an open/clean environment (and being clean yourself) is sufficient. I think people get really into the hobby and just start finding ways to take it to the next level.
Wash your hands, cover your mouth, and spray your work area.
Ok don't listen to this guy.
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Psyche delics said:
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reez said: A lot is given to maintaining a sterile environment. While it's true, I have found just working in an open/clean environment (and being clean yourself) is sufficient. I think people get really into the hobby and just start finding ways to take it to the next level.
Wash your hands, cover your mouth, and spray your work area.
Ok don't listen to this guy.
I mean it's doable. But I don't think the failure rate would be acceptable for anyone taking things remotely serious. If I had no other option, you best believe I'd be doing shit out in the open to keep going. But I'd sure as hell be planning on throwing a bunch of shit away in the process lol.
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I think if you were to do agar or grains in open air maybe the high desert or Arizona in the summer might work. I mean actually doing open air work outside . But everyone's house is riddled with molds and no one has a mold free home.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: Smartattack] 1
#26625744 - 04/24/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I mean if your just doing something that requires you to press a needle in and take it out its possible but definitely not if your opening up jars and plates and what not. If your gonna do something you mine aswell do it right the first time.
Also op start with agar and the pf tek is simple and less risk of fucking your whole project up and you can still get a couple ounces in a couple months if you do everything right. But grains are nothing you can't handle either but you risk it a little more but get a greater reward.
Just stick around here you'll get everything down in time and be transformed into a whole new world.
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If you take the time to read through all this, you will (and at first it might seem like a daunting read) be fully squared away. Worth. Every. Minute. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24297804 It's in the sticky threads but no onw seems to find it. Bodhisatta's simplified cultivation methods. Should be required reading followed by a quiz IME.
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LogicaL Chaos said: Try this Tek out. Its the best: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24179086
The forums are a bit confusing at first, so take your time to figure out all the buttons and navigation.
Fuckin aye. 
If you commit to sitting down and reading this stuff, you will be able to start making sense of this all very quickly and weed out bad info yourself. It will supercede all the questionables presented on your post (mix of excelent advice, meh advice and bad advice). You'll be very well equipped. Best of luck on your forthcoming venture.
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Get this book.

You'll find that it is totally aligned with Bod and Frank H teks. Using oat grain and mono tubs is no harder than PF tek. If you can closely follow instructions you will have mostly success (everyone has failures at the start, fewer over time). Success over a year with PF Tek will provide a relatively small amount of fruit. Success with just one mono tub will provide more fruit than you and all your friends can enjoy in a year. Every question's answer is in this book and Bod and Frank's recommend teks. Read read read. Then gather the gear necessary, don't cut corners. The amount of time necessary to prepare is lots less than the time spent failing at a grow.
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You can produce a lot of fruits with the pf tek especially if you get a good clone or isolate I was getting 4.5-5 grams a cake with Ms and my sgfc held 24 cakes so I was getting a QP around every 8 weeks I'm not saying you won't getting significantly more with grains but the pf tek doesn't lack either.
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I am just learning but you said with a clone or isolate but you were using ms? Aren't those the opposite of each other?
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: bound2grow]
#26625902 - 04/24/20 11:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ms = multi spore with Ms I was getting 4.5 to 5g cakes with isolates and clones you can get more.
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Thank you. I see what you meant now. You were doing good with MS but would have done better with an isolate or a clone.
I feel like if I was going to take the time to isolate something I'd be better off going with bulk for the amount of effort isolating takes?
I have been thinking that I might just try bulk instead. I may be dreaming but it actually sounds like less work than PF Tek if you have a pressure canner. PF cakes are starting to sound too picky to bother with to me.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: bound2grow]
#26625915 - 04/24/20 11:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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F*ck the internet. All the info anyone could ever need is right here at the Shroomery. Any of the available texts whether it is cakes or bulk will work if you follow them to the proverbial "T". Shroomey members are held accountable by other more experienced members. This cuts down on the amount of bullshit that is posted. You don't get that on other sights.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: bound2grow]
#26625921 - 04/24/20 11:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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A clone is a piece of tissue from a mushroom or a pin from an agar plate that has pinned which is then placed on agar to clean up (or placed directly in liquid culture or a jar of grain, which is an old technique that is not reccomended. Isolation involves introducing spores to agar and then selecting favorable growth and taking that growth and transfering it from that good-looking sector of your culture to a new dish and so forth. You're trying to isolate fast-growing mycelium (generally rhizomorphic) and reduce the amount of secotring to achieve a result closer to a true isolate. You would grow that out eventually and assess it's growth and potency. That said, I reiterate my first comment: read this https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24297804
The book listed above is great but all the info you need is riiiight there and is free. Every question you have is answered in detail in this compendium. It;ll take all this Greek youre reading and turn it into English. It's that simple. Trust me. Just read through this stuff. You will not be dissapointed.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: bound2grow]
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It's not really hard to isolate at all. But it is more worth it to do with grains. I recommend mini monos.
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isolates and clones can suck balls compared to ms it all just depends on the genetics u get out of your grab bag(print/syringe). you most often dont know what youre isolating until you grow it out and therefore a waste of time IMO. ms>>clone. there should be no need to isolate except away from bacteria or mold. isolating is a fun thing for beginners to do to get practice with agar transfers but is a waste of time and plates. let them isolate themselves
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: TedsDead] 1
#26626237 - 04/25/20 04:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I used to do plate a2a transfers open air for a while and was surprised how low the contam rate was.
But, SAB is fucking cheap and while I'd dare to do an a2a in open air, since there's much less at stake, I'd never noc up grain in open air.
OTOH, I don't think you need a SAB to inoculate PF jars.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: poisoned]
#26626277 - 04/25/20 05:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, u can do open-air innoculations with PF Tek, but its more risky. Its much safer to use a SAB. But it does it work if you have still air in your grow space.
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The verm layer should prevent anything from falling down to brf level. And your syringe should be flame sterilized anyways.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: bound2grow]
#26626519 - 04/25/20 08:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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bound2grow said: Thank you. I see what you meant now. You were doing good with MS but would have done better with an isolate or a clone.
I feel like if I was going to take the time to isolate something I'd be better off going with bulk for the amount of effort isolating takes?
I have been thinking that I might just try bulk instead. I may be dreaming but it actually sounds like less work than PF Tek if you have a pressure canner. PF cakes are starting to sound too picky to bother with to me.
I'm doing shoeboxes, best of both worlds, the ease of bulk, along with more yield than PFcakes, but the isolation of contamination of PF cakes.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: Babylon]
#26626531 - 04/25/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Babylon said: I'm doing shoeboxes, best of both worlds, the ease of bulk, along with more yield than PFcakes, but the isolation of contamination of PF cakes.
this is the best of both worlds for beginners, grains are nice though because you can shake them and help speed things up
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: DeckardCain] 1
#26627105 - 04/25/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, tis true all the info necessary to succeed is on this site. Also true that PF tek can produce fruit, but not lots. Shoes are great, especially for a beginner, and also for experienced growers. For me, tho, after learning both PF tek and shoes, I find it easiest and by far most productive to run mono tubs. There's also the risk factor; I'm all for the process that produces the most the fastest so I can shut back down and put everything away.
I respect everyone's opinions and ways. Best wishes and pats on backs all around.
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Shoeboxes are dope for everybody. I love mono's as much but its hard to justify sometimes. You can buy more surface area in shoebox for the same cost as tubs and you can run them by the dozens. The simple fact that you can limit every quart of spawn to each SB also means that you will never cross contaminate with a bad spawn jar. One bad shoebox means losing one bad jar of spawn. One bad mono and you lose not only the initial bad jar but also the 4-6 others that were good until you mixed them.
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Smartattack said: Shoeboxes are dope for everybody. I love mono's as much but its hard to justify sometimes. You can buy more surface area in shoebox for the same cost as tubs and you can run them by the dozens. The simple fact that you can limit every quart of spawn to each SB also means that you will never cross contaminate with a bad spawn jar. One bad shoebox means losing one bad jar of spawn. One bad mono and you lose not only the initial bad jar but also the 4-6 others that were good until you mixed them.
This. Plus ive noticed its alot easier to maintain conditions in a shoebox, just leaving the lid on without snapping it down is all you need, (found in sharpers shoe box tek)
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3-5 others*
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The Abhorrent Chef said: 3-5 others* 
Depends how rich you like to roll. I go for the gold sometimes.
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Hehee..I don’t know if I’ve ever gone down to 4 to a brick but I’ve seent it mentioned. Oh how I’ve seen it. It goes like this...”monotub ftw, brick of coir, 2 qt verm, handful of gypsum, 4-6 qt spawn. Bewm.
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4 to a brick is pretty standard. I run 4lb bags at 1 bag per 650g coir. anything above 5 is overkill and you should just get a bigger tub with more surface area. bags are another step up for beginners but if you can pour grain in a jar you can pour it in a bag
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: TedsDead]
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I've gotten to the place where 4 out of 5 tubs are successful. Shoes were twice the time/space and PE never, ever worked out. Now, 2 PE tubs provide more magic, first flush, than what 10 shoes of anything else might. Run dozens of shoes when I can easily manage 3 monos? No thanks.
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how do you know if PE never worked out?? if it never did than thats not the case for you
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