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InfraredRick
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Get this book.

You'll find that it is totally aligned with Bod and Frank H teks. Using oat grain and mono tubs is no harder than PF tek. If you can closely follow instructions you will have mostly success (everyone has failures at the start, fewer over time). Success over a year with PF Tek will provide a relatively small amount of fruit. Success with just one mono tub will provide more fruit than you and all your friends can enjoy in a year. Every question's answer is in this book and Bod and Frank's recommend teks. Read read read. Then gather the gear necessary, don't cut corners. The amount of time necessary to prepare is lots less than the time spent failing at a grow.
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You can produce a lot of fruits with the pf tek especially if you get a good clone or isolate I was getting 4.5-5 grams a cake with Ms and my sgfc held 24 cakes so I was getting a QP around every 8 weeks I'm not saying you won't getting significantly more with grains but the pf tek doesn't lack either.
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I am just learning but you said with a clone or isolate but you were using ms? Aren't those the opposite of each other?
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: bound2grow]
#26625902 - 04/24/20 11:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ms = multi spore with Ms I was getting 4.5 to 5g cakes with isolates and clones you can get more.
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Thank you. I see what you meant now. You were doing good with MS but would have done better with an isolate or a clone.
I feel like if I was going to take the time to isolate something I'd be better off going with bulk for the amount of effort isolating takes?
I have been thinking that I might just try bulk instead. I may be dreaming but it actually sounds like less work than PF Tek if you have a pressure canner. PF cakes are starting to sound too picky to bother with to me.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: bound2grow]
#26625915 - 04/24/20 11:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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F*ck the internet. All the info anyone could ever need is right here at the Shroomery. Any of the available texts whether it is cakes or bulk will work if you follow them to the proverbial "T". Shroomey members are held accountable by other more experienced members. This cuts down on the amount of bullshit that is posted. You don't get that on other sights.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: bound2grow]
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A clone is a piece of tissue from a mushroom or a pin from an agar plate that has pinned which is then placed on agar to clean up (or placed directly in liquid culture or a jar of grain, which is an old technique that is not reccomended. Isolation involves introducing spores to agar and then selecting favorable growth and taking that growth and transfering it from that good-looking sector of your culture to a new dish and so forth. You're trying to isolate fast-growing mycelium (generally rhizomorphic) and reduce the amount of secotring to achieve a result closer to a true isolate. You would grow that out eventually and assess it's growth and potency. That said, I reiterate my first comment: read this https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24297804
The book listed above is great but all the info you need is riiiight there and is free. Every question you have is answered in detail in this compendium. It;ll take all this Greek youre reading and turn it into English. It's that simple. Trust me. Just read through this stuff. You will not be dissapointed.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: bound2grow]
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It's not really hard to isolate at all. But it is more worth it to do with grains. I recommend mini monos.
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isolates and clones can suck balls compared to ms it all just depends on the genetics u get out of your grab bag(print/syringe). you most often dont know what youre isolating until you grow it out and therefore a waste of time IMO. ms>>clone. there should be no need to isolate except away from bacteria or mold. isolating is a fun thing for beginners to do to get practice with agar transfers but is a waste of time and plates. let them isolate themselves
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: TedsDead] 1
#26626237 - 04/25/20 04:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I used to do plate a2a transfers open air for a while and was surprised how low the contam rate was.
But, SAB is fucking cheap and while I'd dare to do an a2a in open air, since there's much less at stake, I'd never noc up grain in open air.
OTOH, I don't think you need a SAB to inoculate PF jars.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: poisoned]
#26626277 - 04/25/20 05:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, u can do open-air innoculations with PF Tek, but its more risky. Its much safer to use a SAB. But it does it work if you have still air in your grow space.
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The verm layer should prevent anything from falling down to brf level. And your syringe should be flame sterilized anyways.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: bound2grow]
#26626519 - 04/25/20 08:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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bound2grow said: Thank you. I see what you meant now. You were doing good with MS but would have done better with an isolate or a clone.
I feel like if I was going to take the time to isolate something I'd be better off going with bulk for the amount of effort isolating takes?
I have been thinking that I might just try bulk instead. I may be dreaming but it actually sounds like less work than PF Tek if you have a pressure canner. PF cakes are starting to sound too picky to bother with to me.
I'm doing shoeboxes, best of both worlds, the ease of bulk, along with more yield than PFcakes, but the isolation of contamination of PF cakes.
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Re: What am I missing here? [Re: Babylon]
#26626531 - 04/25/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Babylon said: I'm doing shoeboxes, best of both worlds, the ease of bulk, along with more yield than PFcakes, but the isolation of contamination of PF cakes.
this is the best of both worlds for beginners, grains are nice though because you can shake them and help speed things up
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#26627105 - 04/25/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, tis true all the info necessary to succeed is on this site. Also true that PF tek can produce fruit, but not lots. Shoes are great, especially for a beginner, and also for experienced growers. For me, tho, after learning both PF tek and shoes, I find it easiest and by far most productive to run mono tubs. There's also the risk factor; I'm all for the process that produces the most the fastest so I can shut back down and put everything away.
I respect everyone's opinions and ways. Best wishes and pats on backs all around.
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Shoeboxes are dope for everybody. I love mono's as much but its hard to justify sometimes. You can buy more surface area in shoebox for the same cost as tubs and you can run them by the dozens. The simple fact that you can limit every quart of spawn to each SB also means that you will never cross contaminate with a bad spawn jar. One bad shoebox means losing one bad jar of spawn. One bad mono and you lose not only the initial bad jar but also the 4-6 others that were good until you mixed them.
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Smartattack said: Shoeboxes are dope for everybody. I love mono's as much but its hard to justify sometimes. You can buy more surface area in shoebox for the same cost as tubs and you can run them by the dozens. The simple fact that you can limit every quart of spawn to each SB also means that you will never cross contaminate with a bad spawn jar. One bad shoebox means losing one bad jar of spawn. One bad mono and you lose not only the initial bad jar but also the 4-6 others that were good until you mixed them.
This. Plus ive noticed its alot easier to maintain conditions in a shoebox, just leaving the lid on without snapping it down is all you need, (found in sharpers shoe box tek)
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3-5 others*
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The Abhorrent Chef said: 3-5 others* 
Depends how rich you like to roll. I go for the gold sometimes.
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Hehee..I don’t know if I’ve ever gone down to 4 to a brick but I’ve seent it mentioned. Oh how I’ve seen it. It goes like this...”monotub ftw, brick of coir, 2 qt verm, handful of gypsum, 4-6 qt spawn. Bewm.
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