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Re: What is love? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26630854 - 04/26/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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It will not be a waste if you actually let yourself enjoy life. It's a waste that you are not.




Again, I have explained why I can't enjoy it.

Also I don't think there is therapy for solipsism beyond trying to forget it.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26630872 - 04/26/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
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spirit_shadow said:
It will not be a waste if you actually let yourself enjoy life. It's a waste that you are not.




Again, I have explained why I can't enjoy it.

Also I don't think there is therapy for solipsism beyond trying to forget it.




You mentioned earlier about compassion and empathy being mental projections
and still have not figured out a great way to explain this
but they have use due to serving as mental projections

think of it this way -- apathy, even if it is "supposed" to be being without feelings for something
is a way of feeling towards experienced reality
and it becomes easy to habituate to, where it can be applied to any situation

the same is true of compassion
and for this reason, there are Buddhist traditions that focus almost entirely on compassion meditation
with the 'goal' being moving the default mode of life into one of feeling compassion towards experienced reality
it is not as easy to habituate to, but it is most certainly a mode of being that can be habituated into day-to-day life

a sort of fake it 'til you make it mentality

but my promoting of this also comes from where my doubts towards the utility of solipsism comes up
even if at the end of my life there is some sort of transition from lived experiences into an entity with unlived experiences
the lived experiences are meaningful to the sensory system while they take place
and it would be better, in my mind, to go into an absence of being with an awesome time behind me
than going into the absence of being with a shitty time behind me

there are still things that happen to me that suck, that is just life
but how they come to be interpreted and impact my further life experiences are a matter of which interpretive lens is installed for my viewing purposes


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Re: What is love? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26630887 - 04/26/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Tantrika said:
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Thanatos10 said:
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spirit_shadow said:
It will not be a waste if you actually let yourself enjoy life. It's a waste that you are not.




Again, I have explained why I can't enjoy it.

Also I don't think there is therapy for solipsism beyond trying to forget it.




You mentioned earlier about compassion and empathy being mental projections
and still have not figured out a great way to explain this
but they have use due to serving as mental projections

think of it this way -- apathy, even if it is "supposed" to be being without feelings for something
is a way of feeling towards experienced reality
and it becomes easy to habituate to, where it can be applied to any situation

the same is true of compassion
and for this reason, there are Buddhist traditions that focus almost entirely on compassion meditation
with the 'goal' being moving the default mode of life into one of feeling compassion towards experienced reality
it is not as easy to habituate to, but it is most certainly a mode of being that can be habituated into day-to-day life

a sort of fake it 'til you make it mentality

but my promoting of this also comes from where my doubts towards the utility of solipsism comes up
even if at the end of my life there is some sort of transition from lived experiences into an entity with unlived experiences
the lived experiences are meaningful to the sensory system while they take place
and it would be better, in my mind, to go into an absence of being with an awesome time behind me
than going into the absence of being with a shitty time behind me

there are still things that happen to me that suck, that is just life
but how they come to be interpreted and impact my further life experiences are a matter of which interpretive lens is installed for my viewing purposes




I'm not sure you're grasping it.

I don't feel compassion or love for others largely due to solipsism, as I cannot verify the existence of other people. I cannot enjoy a world where everyone is a figment of my mind.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26630892 - 04/26/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
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Tantrika said:
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Thanatos10 said:
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spirit_shadow said:
It will not be a waste if you actually let yourself enjoy life. It's a waste that you are not.




Again, I have explained why I can't enjoy it.

Also I don't think there is therapy for solipsism beyond trying to forget it.




You mentioned earlier about compassion and empathy being mental projections
and still have not figured out a great way to explain this
but they have use due to serving as mental projections

think of it this way -- apathy, even if it is "supposed" to be being without feelings for something
is a way of feeling towards experienced reality
and it becomes easy to habituate to, where it can be applied to any situation

the same is true of compassion
and for this reason, there are Buddhist traditions that focus almost entirely on compassion meditation
with the 'goal' being moving the default mode of life into one of feeling compassion towards experienced reality
it is not as easy to habituate to, but it is most certainly a mode of being that can be habituated into day-to-day life

a sort of fake it 'til you make it mentality

but my promoting of this also comes from where my doubts towards the utility of solipsism comes up
even if at the end of my life there is some sort of transition from lived experiences into an entity with unlived experiences
the lived experiences are meaningful to the sensory system while they take place
and it would be better, in my mind, to go into an absence of being with an awesome time behind me
than going into the absence of being with a shitty time behind me

there are still things that happen to me that suck, that is just life
but how they come to be interpreted and impact my further life experiences are a matter of which interpretive lens is installed for my viewing purposes




I'm not sure you're grasping it.

I don't feel compassion or love for others largely due to solipsism, as I cannot verify the existence of other people. I cannot enjoy a world where everyone is a figment of my mind.




I'm not sure you're grasping it.

As you cannot verify the validity of solipsism, you can replace the sentiment with compassion or love.  As all viewing lenses are a figment of the mind, you can replace it with another view that allows you to enjoy the world.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26630920 - 04/26/20 10:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I can't though since I cannot verify the existence of other people so compassion and love cannot take place.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26630926 - 04/26/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I can't though since I cannot verify the existence of other people so compassion and love cannot take place.




You don't need to be able to verify their existence for compassion and love to take place
you already express feelings of resentment towards other humans despite not being able to verify their existence


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Re: What is love? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26630971 - 04/26/20 10:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Kind of sounds like you are just caught in some existential anxiety and you need to figure the way out, which solipsism obviously is not. Can you tell me what makes you so convinced nobody else is real than you? We are all here trying to help you see the world differently. I am beginning to think you need this solipsism for something...


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Re: What is love? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26630986 - 04/26/20 11:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
I can't though since I cannot verify the existence of other people so compassion and love cannot take place.




You don't need to be able to verify their existence for compassion and love to take place
you already express feelings of resentment towards other humans despite not being able to verify their existence




I do though. Even my hatred is nearly gone as I have come to the realization that I can not verify their existence


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26631001 - 04/26/20 11:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

What's the idea behind your sensations then in solipsism? Are you in a virtual reality fed to you like in the matrix?


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26631028 - 04/26/20 11:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
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Tantrika said:
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Thanatos10 said:
I can't though since I cannot verify the existence of other people so compassion and love cannot take place.




You don't need to be able to verify their existence for compassion and love to take place
you already express feelings of resentment towards other humans despite not being able to verify their existence




I do though. Even my hatred is nearly gone as I have come to the realization that I can not verify their existence




Find that difficult to believe based on ideas you have expressed with regards to other people in this thread

solipsism as it has been taught to me makes two assertions
the positive assertion that the individual entity is known to exist
and the negative assertion that outside experiences do not exist

but while it is not able to be disproven in accordance with its assertions
it is also not able to be proven in accordance with its assertions

the basis for knowing the entity exists is that it experiences things
but the experiences are not real
and the logical conclusion that leaves is that the entity cannot be known to be real, as no real source of verification for it exists

this is all fine with me,
as it implies falling in line with the view of Madhyamaka
which holds that neither the experiencing entity or the experience can be verified to have an inherent existence
and can only be known to have a provisional existence in relationship to the other

being unable to verify that things exist has a net result in compassion; even if it comes from a point of selfish generation
the concern becomes outwardly focused when the individual attains realization that the circumstances of the outside world and the individual experiencer are shaping each other

somehow, you have instead expressed holding to a position that you do not damage the Earth, but others do
rather than a comprehension that the preservation of the larger Earth is a mutual project


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Re: What is love? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26631041 - 04/26/20 11:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

one of the quotes with the greatest utility for me in going from a view of nihilism to one of outward compassion
was from the Dalai Lama:


am fond of the linguistics of this for a few reasons
it utilizes the term "practice" which serves multiple meanings in this context
a religious practice is an activity someone takes up every day
but practice in the conventional sense means doing something with the intent of becoming better at doing it

and the structure of the phrase places the condition of others as the first concern
then matches the condition of the self to the concern for others
and subsequentally describes that acts of compassion are good for both self and others


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Re: What is love? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26631817 - 04/27/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Tantrika said:
one of the quotes with the greatest utility for me in going from a view of nihilism to one of outward compassion
was from the Dalai Lama:


am fond of the linguistics of this for a few reasons
it utilizes the term "practice" which serves multiple meanings in this context
a religious practice is an activity someone takes up every day
but practice in the conventional sense means doing something with the intent of becoming better at doing it

and the structure of the phrase places the condition of others as the first concern
then matches the condition of the self to the concern for others
and subsequentally describes that acts of compassion are good for both self and others



The problem with that quote is that it implies the existence of others when it is uncertain.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26631823 - 04/27/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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You don't need to be able to verify their existence for compassion and love to take place





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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26631825 - 04/27/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The problem with that quote is that it implies the existence of others when it is uncertain.



This is beyond stupid.  You'll grow out of this nonsense.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Enlil]
    #26631839 - 04/27/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid: For fucking real. I don't know what else to say.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Enlil]
    #26632215 - 04/27/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The problem with that quote is that it implies the existence of others when it is uncertain.



This is beyond stupid.  You'll grow out of this nonsense.



It’s not nonsense, it’s a problem without a solution and shows the gap and limits to the understanding of us. It’s literally the dead end of philosophy. It’s why I keep saying compassion and love are worthless if you can’t be sure the other people you direct it at exist.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26632219 - 04/27/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
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Enlil said:
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Thanatos10 said:

The problem with that quote is that it implies the existence of others when it is uncertain.



This is beyond stupid.  You'll grow out of this nonsense.



It’s not nonsense, it’s a problem without a solution and shows the gap and limits to the understanding of us. It’s literally the dead end of philosophy. It’s why I keep saying compassion and love are worthless if you can’t be sure the other people you direct it at exist.





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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26632221 - 04/27/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah...it's a dead end.  It's mental masturbation.  If it's unknowable, it's irrelevant to the equation.  It's just an excuse for you to play the moody, broody dude with the weight of the world on your shoulders.  Maybe someone here or there will confuse you with a "deep thinker," but most adults have long ago learned how to compartmentalize the unknowable and move on with their lives.

You'll figure it out, too, but first, you're going to have to get tired of this ego-stroking nonsense.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Enlil]
    #26632428 - 04/27/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah...it's a dead end.  It's mental masturbation.  If it's unknowable, it's irrelevant to the equation.  It's just an excuse for you to play the moody, broody dude with the weight of the world on your shoulders.  Maybe someone here or there will confuse you with a "deep thinker," but most adults have long ago learned how to compartmentalize the unknowable and move on with their lives.

You'll figure it out, too, but first, you're going to have to get tired of this ego-stroking nonsense.



It’s not ego stroking, it’s essentially realizing that what I have based my world view on is little more than belief.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-prove-solipsism

As it says calling it “useless” doesn’t make it any less true.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26632432 - 04/27/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
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Tantrika said:
one of the quotes with the greatest utility for me in going from a view of nihilism to one of outward compassion
was from the Dalai Lama:


am fond of the linguistics of this for a few reasons
it utilizes the term "practice" which serves multiple meanings in this context
a religious practice is an activity someone takes up every day
but practice in the conventional sense means doing something with the intent of becoming better at doing it

and the structure of the phrase places the condition of others as the first concern
then matches the condition of the self to the concern for others
and subsequentally describes that acts of compassion are good for both self and others



The problem with that quote is that it implies the existence of others when it is uncertain.





It is however a quote by another person.


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