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Re: What is Love? [Re: Asante]
    #26650283 - 05/05/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Than: even no action, is an action.


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Re: What is Love? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26650291 - 05/05/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Isn't it just futile to give a fuck about solipsism though? You cannot know so why bother going on about it? You say you cant be sure if others are real or anything outside of your awareness, so why want to be sure? This is some form of mental masturbation and I am still sure you dont want out of it. It makes no sense to actually value solipsism or believe in it. It is just a philosophical problem. The fact that you think it is true or afraid of it being the truth means that you believe in it just like some people believe in god. Most other people would realise the solipsist problem and carry on because they cant know for sure so why bother. But not you. No no no. You have to know although you cannot and you want others to know the existential dread you are in, but you dont want out or you cant get out, in which case the underlying problem is not solipsism but it is you, and you need to realise that and help yourself. Good luck to you on your journey. :thumbup:




How? When the issue has no true evidence either way how can I go back to how things were? I don’t want to believe solipsism but I don’t have evidence for realism.


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Re: What is Love? [Re: Asante]
    #26650299 - 05/05/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Thanatos.

Everything is SOMETHING.

Nothing can be NOTHING.

Therefore you always interact with SOMETHING which ON SOME LEVEL has substance.

That's worth something, that's always worth something.

Do you masturbate? If you do, part of you interacts with part of you to mutual satisfaction.

Thats worth something and in fact your nuts pay up for it if you do it right.

Interacting with parts of you is only meaningless if you assign no value to yourself.

If you are all there is, you are all that represents value, therefore you are of infinite value as solipsism dictates that nothing exists outside of you.

If nothing exists outside of you, YOU ARE THE UNIVERSE.

You are only suffering this because you dont see the whole picture.







Swing and a kiss when it comes to understanding solipsism and the problem behind it. Interacting with parts of me is Meaningless, that’s why people think of other things when they masturbate.

If I am all that exists thats true nihilism, because nothing I do matters. I am not of infinite value, all my actions would carry no meaning because they would have not impact on anything.

How stupid can you be?


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Re: What is Love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26650303 - 05/05/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

There is no evidence for anything, all we have is faith. Faith in religion, faith in science, faith in common sense, its all internally referential assumption.


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Re: What is Love? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26650313 - 05/05/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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How stupid can you be?




I don't know, reread your posts sometime.

You're figuring that, as we are figments of your imagination anyway, you might as well be rude as fuck.

I'm not as worthless as you think you are, Thanantos, and I say it like that because you think that you are all there is and that this is worthless.


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Re: What is Love? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26650361 - 05/05/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I’ve known highly intelligent people who are Uber delusional about 1 thing.  Seems this is what happens when your of moderate intelligence and are Uber delusional about 1 thing.  Why couldn’t it have been about cooking or something worthwhile. Haha.


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Re: What is Love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26650382 - 05/05/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You can't go back to how things were, but right now it certainly seems like you value solipsism more than other perspectives, even though you have no actual evidence to support that belief, hence why I called it a belief. You say there is no reason to believe based on solipsism that anything is outside of your mind, and that you may just be a lone awareness in this world that seems to very conretely exist. But why is that option more real in your mind than that where the world you see is real separate to you on the grand scale, but the same on the quantum scale. My point and the point of others in this thread all along has been to show that it doesn't really matter either way if you just get this belief out of your head that you are alone in the universe, because there is nothing to prove that. You cannot take an outside view of yourself being fed this reality somehow or way and thus seeing it as the truth. You think solipsism is the logical philosophy, when in fact it is not. But if you think there is some logical conclusion to why it is the proper way to view this world then I would gladly hear it


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Re: What is Love? [Re: InnerWisdom] * 1
    #26650383 - 05/05/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Don’t try and debate a psych patient, just be friendly - talk about anything other than the elephant in the room.


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Re: What is Love? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26650400 - 05/05/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Round and round and round we go, come one, come all, to the Thanatos show!


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Re: What is Love? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26650531 - 05/05/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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You can't go back to how things were, but right now it certainly seems like you value solipsism more than other perspectives, even though you have no actual evidence to support that belief, hence why I called it a belief. You say there is no reason to believe based on solipsism that anything is outside of your mind, and that you may just be a lone awareness in this world that seems to very conretely exist. But why is that option more real in your mind than that where the world you see is real separate to you on the grand scale, but the same on the quantum scale. My point and the point of others in this thread all along has been to show that it doesn't really matter either way if you just get this belief out of your head that you are alone in the universe, because there is nothing to prove that. You cannot take an outside view of yourself being fed this reality somehow or way and thus seeing it as the truth. You think solipsism is the logical philosophy, when in fact it is not. But if you think there is some logical conclusion to why it is the proper way to view this world then I would gladly hear it



I don’t value it but without a way to disprove it I can’t dismiss it, and without proof of realism I can’t reliably accept it.

Again my problem is that I am essentially saying I BELIEVE in other people and external reality, which is a problem to me


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Re: What is Love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26650536 - 05/05/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Again my problem is that I am essentially saying I BELIEVE in other people and external reality, which is a problem to me



I have this problem; it's that I've created a problem that I have a problem with.

Also I can't solve it, and none of you can either.

Ad infinitum.


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Re: What is Love? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26650545 - 05/05/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thanny what’s your favorite band.


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Re: What is Love? [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #26651718 - 05/05/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

you cannot "solve" a room of mirrors. you cannot untie a gordian knot.


you can only smash through the mirrors, cut the knot, and realize you're being an idiot trying to solve an unsolvable problem.

you cannot prove that reality is real, because you are a part of reality. you are part of the system. you cannot magically take yourself outside of the system to prove it exists. therefore you might as well assume it does exist, because if we don't exist, neither do you. and if you don't exist, wtf are you doing typing on this computer, you crazy nothingburger?

except you do exist. therefore, what applies to you, probably applies to other people as well. and in a sense, all are one, everything is connected, etc etc, but we're all individual beings too, with our own viewpoints. i know i sure as heck don't want to live with your point of view. im quite happy with my own, thank you.

stop trying to divide by 0 damnit, you're flunking your math exam!


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Re: What is Love? [Re: Psion] * 1
    #26651732 - 05/05/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Like Trying to see your own eye with the very same eyeball.

Like trying to touch the tip of your left hands index finger, with that very index finger (Watts-ish). Etc etc

..one might say. :snub:

Like facing two mirrors towards each other, and trying to see exactly what the pure reflection looks like, but without adding to the image when doing so -  all an impossibility - and so attempting to do so with or without recognizing that vital fact, will either liberate or obfuscate things further, and delude exponentially- something along those lines.




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Re: What is Love? [Re: Psion]
    #26651893 - 05/05/20 11:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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you cannot "solve" a room of mirrors. you cannot untie a gordian knot.


you can only smash through the mirrors, cut the knot, and realize you're being an idiot trying to solve an unsolvable problem.

you cannot prove that reality is real, because you are a part of reality. you are part of the system. you cannot magically take yourself outside of the system to prove it exists. therefore you might as well assume it does exist, because if we don't exist, neither do you. and if you don't exist, wtf are you doing typing on this computer, you crazy nothingburger?

except you do exist. therefore, what applies to you, probably applies to other people as well. and in a sense, all are one, everything is connected, etc etc, but we're all individual beings too, with our own viewpoints. i know i sure as heck don't want to live with your point of view. im quite happy with my own, thank you.

stop trying to divide by 0 damnit, you're flunking your math exam!




But what if evidence shows up in the future? What about the stuff that’s happens to me like my dreams?

The whole problem I have with this is that there isn’t a solution and never will be one, because of that I don’t know how to be. It’s one thing when I knew people to be real because I knew how to treat them then, but now that I can’t be sure I don’t know how to treat them. Everything in my life is being tainted by the thought “is it tea or not”, or this vague sense that everything isn’t really like dissociation or disconnection


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Re: What is Love? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26651963 - 05/06/20 01:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

if evidence shows up in the future, then you can change your viewpoint then and treat people as not real THEN. gods. you're making too much of this. it's ridiculous. "but what if i win the mega millions grand prize in the future?!?! i gotta get ready and prepare/life my life like i won it now!"

NO.

for fucks sake you live your life as circomstance dictates it now, with current evidence. when and IF in the future such proof shows that reality is fooling you and we're all just phantasms in your head (protip - we're not and for all i know you're a phantasm in my head...only you can't be, because no phantasm of mine could seriously be this resistant to seeing the obvious!) THEN you can live life like that. until then... GROW. UP.

stop being a baby and hiding behind this "we're all fakes" bullshit. you want to know the truth? you're just running away. you're just egocentric and a jerk to others and you hide behind this mask of lies to hide the ugliness of your soul, the cruelty you deal to others because you simply can't bring yourself to care about them. and why not?

because you simply can't bring yourself to care about yourself.

because everything is connected. the golden rule applies - treat others as you would treat yourself. this is quite literal, because everything influences each other in ways both obvious in subtle. we are seeing it with the current crisis, as the coronavirus disrupts many current human systems. suddenly animals are wandering about in quiet cities, water is running clearer due to less sediment being stirred up, and even the earth is vibrating less due to less human activity. when something is disturbed, it sends ripples that affect everything else. when you treat others like they dont matter, guess what?

it ripples back to your own soul.


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Re: What is Love? [Re: Psion]
    #26652334 - 05/06/20 06:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

well said...:heart:


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Re: What is Love? [Re: Psion]
    #26652351 - 05/06/20 07:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Check out the Midnight Gospel. Kinda a crash course in Buddhism, Occultism, and various other philosophical problems, animated with some dark trippyness.


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Re: What is Love? [Re: oculodextro]
    #26652388 - 05/06/20 07:24 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Oh yeah that show lol. I watched two episodes a while ago. That was weird and kind of funny in an absurd way, but I didnt find it interesting enough to keep watching or listening


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Re: What is Love? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26652493 - 05/06/20 08:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So much potential, but ultimately a pile of shit. Turn off the talking and turn on the music.


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