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Getting your dick sucked isn’t magical or amazing, that’s just what humans believe it to be.
Essentially yes, humans have to make things into more than they are to justify living
How so? that is a bold statement, as if humans can't live with the way things are.
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Getting your dick sucked isn’t magical or amazing, that’s just what humans believe it to be.
Essentially yes, humans have to make things into more than they are to justify living
How so? that is a bold statement, as if humans can't live with the way things are.
They can’t. I mean in the anti natalism thread people justified suffering as some sort of test which is just rationalization and privileged. They assume things have meaning when they don’t. This forum and the rest of society is a testament to how humans can weave reality to suite their views.
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I dont think it applies to all people. Some are more enlightened than others and dont need to justify their existence by various beliefs. But more importantly there is no objective view of how things are. A nihilistic perspective is just as subjective as a religious one for example. Regarding suffering, it sounds like you are the one who has a problem with it being a part of life.
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InnerWisdom said: I dont think it applies to all people. Some are more enlightened than others and dont need to justify their existence by various beliefs. But more importantly there is no objective view of how things are. A nihilistic perspective is just as subjective as a religious one for example. Regarding suffering, it sounds like you are the one who has a problem with it being a part of life.
No, nihilism is the actually truth of things. It's not a perspective. I don't have a problem with it but plenty of people do by trying to suggest meaning, joy, and wonder exist when they really don't
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How do hou know it is the actual truth of things? What is that truth?
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InnerWisdom said: How do hou know it is the actual truth of things? What is that truth?
Because meaning is something we impose on the world around us. If it were inherent then it would mean the same to all.
There's really no way to logic out of that one.
But this is far removed from the topic. Which as I stated was that if I can't verify people to exist outside of me then it would be reasonable to assume they don't exist.
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Nihilism applies to human existence and purpose right? Not the outside world or lack of it in your case. What is inherent of this world around us? How do you define outside of yourself and what is existence?
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InnerWisdom said: Nihilism applies to human existence and purpose right? Not the outside world or lack of it in your case. What is inherent of this world around us? How do you define outside of yourself and what is existence?
No, nihilism just says that there is no objective meaning and purpose to reality, which is true.
The rest of your line are pretty self explanatory
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InnerWisdom said: How do hou know it is the actual truth of things? What is that truth?
Because meaning is something we impose on the world around us. If it were inherent then it would mean the same to all.
There's really no way to logic out of that one.
But this is far removed from the topic. Which as I stated was that if I can't verify people to exist outside of me then it would be reasonable to assume they don't exist.
You argue for solipsism , which you didn’t even create, another did, and yet you use it like an answer - even though your borrowing someone else’s understanding of what was actually a philosophical thought experiment - not a statement about the nature of reality . You are confused as hell. And your ability to convey philosophical concepts is hanky. I think you should take a break and explore the world again, you have missed most of it if you spend most your time online arguing with other people about solipsism , that fact that you interact with others at all while screaming solipsism like a spoiled kid is a testimony to the fact that being above average in intelligence doesn’t necessarily make you smarter than anyone else. Classic case of the of old tale about the monk whose practice becomes perverted and thinks he’s enlightened to something no one else gets, when in reality he’s just delusional due to ignorance.
You may or may not escape your own bullshit at the rate your going, but I hope you do, I really do, Mostly because I know you believe this is some deep way of being that someone is more reflective of the truth of things, but the problem is it’s not and you come off like a spoiled teen who thinks he knows everything when your obviously just a babe in terms of years - you have no friends or love anybody, and you haven’t lived or seen the world. That’s the real issue, not solipsism , which is just 1 mans thought experiment that you took literally while simultaneously not understanding how logic works at all. Go take logic 101. Maybe be honest with yourself for a change.
You essentially worship your own ego, and people laugh at the idiotic contradictions that hold your piss poor of an excuse for a world view together by a thread. Get a life. Nihilism is your weak ass response and answer to life and the world. Not the truth.
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No, nihilism is the actually truth of things. It's not a perspective. I don't have a problem with it
man, you're vividly contemplating suicide because you painted yourself into a corner with your nihilist philosophy.
Thats a problem.
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Re: What is Love? [Re: Asante]
#26646689 - 05/03/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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"Your Mind is an Excellent Servant, but a Terrible Master"
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No, nihilism is the actually truth of things. It's not a perspective. I don't have a problem with it
man, you're vividly contemplating suicide because you painted yourself into a corner with your nihilist philosophy.
Thats a problem.
Said the one who suggested a stance similar to solipsism.
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InnerWisdom said: How do hou know it is the actual truth of things? What is that truth?
Because meaning is something we impose on the world around us. If it were inherent then it would mean the same to all.
There's really no way to logic out of that one.
But this is far removed from the topic. Which as I stated was that if I can't verify people to exist outside of me then it would be reasonable to assume they don't exist.
You argue for solipsism , which you didn’t even create, another did, and yet you use it like an answer - even though your borrowing someone else’s understanding of what was actually a philosophical thought experiment - not a statement about the nature of reality . You are confused as hell. And your ability to convey philosophical concepts is hanky. I think you should take a break and explore the world again, you have missed most of it if you spend most your time online arguing with other people about solipsism , that fact that you interact with others at all while screaming solipsism like a spoiled kid is a testimony to the fact that being above average in intelligence doesn’t necessarily make you smarter than anyone else. Classic case of the of old tale about the monk whose practice becomes perverted and thinks he’s enlightened to something no one else gets, when in reality he’s just delusional due to ignorance.
You may or may not escape your own bullshit at the rate your going, but I hope you do, I really do, Mostly because I know you believe this is some deep way of being that someone is more reflective of the truth of things, but the problem is it’s not and you come off like a spoiled teen who thinks he knows everything when your obviously just a babe in terms of years - you have no friends or love anybody, and you haven’t lived or seen the world. That’s the real issue, not solipsism , which is just 1 mans thought experiment that you took literally while simultaneously not understanding how logic works at all. Go take logic 101. Maybe be honest with yourself for a change.
You essentially worship your own ego, and people laugh at the idiotic contradictions that hold your piss poor of an excuse for a world view together by a thread. Get a life. Nihilism is your weak ass response and answer to life and the world. Not the truth.
All that has nothing to do with the truth value of solipsism. The point of it is that we can't truly verify whether other people have minds or not or whether they truly exist or not. One cannot know if that are all that truly exists or not. That's the problem. Me "getting out there" doesn't change that because I see it wherever I go. Everything around me is questioned as to whether it actually exists or not. You can argue that solipsism is useless, but that doesn't make it any less true.
What if there is evidence later on that it's true?
Are dreams, even vivid ones, proof that solipsism is possible?
What about the dreams I have had?
https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-prove-solipsism
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ll evidence you will ever encounter is evidence of your own perception and nothing else. There is no evidence available, not of the type you seek. Neither will logic nor reasoning, nor anything similar help you; they are perceived as well, and not only that, they all rest—down on the very deepest level—on assumptions. This is true for any theory, without fail. These assumptions are for you to discard (or cling to) as you see fit, since there is no evidence for them either.
The very idea of "proof" is just an instance of the longing of mankind. This longing for stability and security is born out of our fear. "What if there is nobody else?" "What if I'm imagining it all?" "What if..." But such questions will not suffice. "Someone else" is clearly in the realm of ideas and hope. At least, you have no means to conclude anything else; nobody does! People will scream and shout; they will do anything to deny this fact. Remember this, and you will probably start noticing it yourself.
So in the end, one doesn't know whether everything is as it seems. That's all there is to it. You may very well keep believing in the "stuff out there," that's fine, but remember that it will always remain a belief. You could argue that solipsism is completely useless (it is, under most definitions of "use"), but know that it is not less true just because of that.
The rest is up to you. Embrace or deny; each option will bring both joy and sorrow. Good luck.
"Someone else" is just an idea, a hope, it's not a certainty or guarantee. If I can't have totally certain that the world exists outside of me and that other people are feeling, with minds, etc. then what's the point of living? Every interaction will be a debate between whether it's worthwhile or a waste because I'm just interacting with an illusion.
If I can't be totally sure then there doesn't seem any other recourse.
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to me, i view love as "wanting to help someone grow into what they truly want to be, not what you want them to be."
by that i mean, everyone is unique. maybe someone is strong like an oak, another is flexible in any situation like a willow. maybe some people seem a bit unassuming to the eye like thyme, yet if you get to know them can really spice up your life.
love is learning to accept them for what they are and helping them flourish - love is not trying to trim an oak try into an 8 foot hedge ball because you didn't take into account its a tall plant. love is not cursing a willow plant for breaking your water pipes because it loves water and seeks it. love is not getting mad at thyme for not being a showy rose.
love is learning what a person is, their strengths and weaknesses, and accepting them all - learning to strengthen those strengths, and turn those weaknesses to strengths, because you want to see that person flourish, to become the best they can possibly be, to reach their full potential.
it's about wholehearted acceptance of what something IS, and a desire to help it reach toward it's dreams.
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No, nihilism is the actually truth of things. It's not a perspective. I don't have a problem with it
man, you're vividly contemplating suicide because you painted yourself into a corner with your nihilist philosophy.
Thats a problem.
Said the one who suggested a stance similar to solipsism.
My delusion is functional. It keeps me happy and inspires me to do awesome things for others.
Your delusion is dysfunctional, it keeps you unhappy and since we are figments of your imagination anyway, we are deemed unworthy of your love.
I'm the very opposite of a nihilist.
You are near rock bottom of nihilism.
Which is good cause you need out of there. Hit that rock bottom and bound out of there.
The big bang DID happen, we ARE out of our gravity well, and so should you be.
For your own sake and that of those of others.
Have your Big Bang of insight.
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Re: What is Love? [Re: Psion]
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Psion said: to me, i view love as "wanting to help someone grow into what they truly want to be, not what you want them to be."
by that i mean, everyone is unique. maybe someone is strong like an oak, another is flexible in any situation like a willow. maybe some people seem a bit unassuming to the eye like thyme, yet if you get to know them can really spice up your life.
love is learning to accept them for what they are and helping them flourish - love is not trying to trim an oak try into an 8 foot hedge ball because you didn't take into account its a tall plant. love is not cursing a willow plant for breaking your water pipes because it loves water and seeks it. love is not getting mad at thyme for not being a showy rose.
love is learning what a person is, their strengths and weaknesses, and accepting them all - learning to strengthen those strengths, and turn those weaknesses to strengths, because you want to see that person flourish, to become the best they can possibly be, to reach their full potential.
it's about wholehearted acceptance of what something IS, and a desire to help it reach toward it's dreams.
 
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Re: What is Love? [Re: Psion]
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Psion said: to me, i view love as "wanting to help someone grow into what they truly want to be, not what you want them to be."
by that i mean, everyone is unique. maybe someone is strong like an oak, another is flexible in any situation like a willow. maybe some people seem a bit unassuming to the eye like thyme, yet if you get to know them can really spice up your life.
love is learning to accept them for what they are and helping them flourish - love is not trying to trim an oak try into an 8 foot hedge ball because you didn't take into account its a tall plant. love is not cursing a willow plant for breaking your water pipes because it loves water and seeks it. love is not getting mad at thyme for not being a showy rose.
love is learning what a person is, their strengths and weaknesses, and accepting them all - learning to strengthen those strengths, and turn those weaknesses to strengths, because you want to see that person flourish, to become the best they can possibly be, to reach their full potential.
it's about wholehearted acceptance of what something IS, and a desire to help it reach toward it's dreams.
I feel the love you radiate!
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Getting your dick sucked isn’t magical or amazing, that’s just what humans believe it to be.
Essentially yes, humans have to make things into more than they are to justify living
Your posts are so Goth, what this thread needs is some Bauhaus to cheer it up:
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Re: What is Love? [Re: Asante]
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I thought this was one of the best covers of any song ever by any band.
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Re: What is Love? [Re: Asante]
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No, nihilism is the actually truth of things. It's not a perspective. I don't have a problem with it
man, you're vividly contemplating suicide because you painted yourself into a corner with your nihilist philosophy.
Thats a problem.
Said the one who suggested a stance similar to solipsism.
My delusion is functional. It keeps me happy and inspires me to do awesome things for others.
Your delusion is dysfunctional, it keeps you unhappy and since we are figments of your imagination anyway, we are deemed unworthy of your love.
I'm the very opposite of a nihilist.
You are near rock bottom of nihilism.
Which is good cause you need out of there. Hit that rock bottom and bound out of there.
The big bang DID happen, we ARE out of our gravity well, and so should you be.
For your own sake and that of those of others.
Have your Big Bang of insight.
You can't just dream again when you wake. Everything won't be the same again. You can lie to yourself but I can't.
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