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The Blind Ass
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Thanatos10 said: But to my point about solipsism, if the mind can’t create experiences that it has no knowledge of then how can I have dreams that come true later on? Seems like proof of solipsism
That’s perfect hubris- not proof of solipsism . you can have no knowledge of it, but the senses are all on every moment of your life taking in much more input than you can be aware of with your normal state - there’s a stream of it always incoming and the majority of it slips past the conscious mind and straight into the depths of the unconscious , where it can mix into what you know or may not know you know during dreams and other things, like drug experiences .
What your privy to be aware of is only a small fraction of the total of what the senses pick up in every moment. Doesn’t mean the brain doesn’t get it, just that you don’t always get to know that it does. No one of our sense organs ever actually turns off and stops functioning, not until serious injury or death.
Solipsism in the hands of a babe is a recipe for disaster. Look at how your own ignorance hurts you while playing with something you shouldn’t be if it leads to this for you.
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Edited by The Blind Ass (05/02/20 06:14 PM)
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AroundtheSon
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Thanatos10 said: Hence love always remains a mystery to me
There's a truth. I think, if people are being honest, it's true for all. Stop trying to solve the mystery and drink it up. ???
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The Blind Ass
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Can’t have your cake and eat it too.
Well you can, but it’s very messy and nobody wins.
So there is something to be said for the former.
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Edited by The Blind Ass (05/02/20 08:04 PM)
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AroundtheSon
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did I do that one thing where I talk out of both sides of my face, again? I don't understand what you are saying right now,
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Thanatos10
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The Blind Ass said:
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Thanatos10 said: But to my point about solipsism, if the mind can’t create experiences that it has no knowledge of then how can I have dreams that come true later on? Seems like proof of solipsism
That’s perfect hubris- not proof of solipsism . you can have no knowledge of it, but the senses are all on every moment of your life taking in much more input than you can be aware of with your normal state - there’s a stream of it always incoming and the majority of it slips past the conscious mind and straight into the depths of the unconscious , where it can mix into what you know or may not know you know during dreams and other things, like drug experiences .
What your privy to be aware of is only a small fraction of the total of what the senses pick up in every moment. Doesn’t mean the brain doesn’t get it, just that you don’t always get to know that it does. No one of our sense organs ever actually turns off and stops functioning, not until serious injury or death.
Solipsism in the hands of a babe is a recipe for disaster. Look at how your own ignorance hurts you while playing with something you shouldn’t be if it leads to this for you.
Seems like the simpler explanation might be solipsism. I mean how else can I explain "seeing the future" in my dreams (some of them).
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Thanatos10
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How do you know this "stream" is even a real thing? I mean solipsism itself doubts sensory data, so the explanation for such "visions" would be solipsism since you are "crafting reality" in a sense.
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Well thats just pure coincidence, there is no meaning in that but the meaning you assign to it. I thought you liked nihilism. You are just biased towards solipsism. It has been obvious for a long time. I still dont understand why it should make a difference whether the world is created by your mind or not. It is all still there for you to sense. All the people you can see and talk to and the entirety of nature is out there. Certainly does not feel like a lone existence even if it were one (which it is not). I dont think you feel alone because of a belief in solipsism, but for some other reason and this solipsism is just a good excuse to not do anything about it or to see the reality. I am willing to bet if you wanted out of the existential problem of solipsism you could do so in a day if you really got to work. But like you said you are a nihilist so nothing really matters so why bother. But thats just laziness.
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Thanatos10 said: How do you know this "stream" is even a real thing? I mean solipsism itself doubts sensory data, so the explanation for such "visions" would be solipsism since you are "crafting reality" in a sense.
How are you defining "real" in this sense?
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Thanatos10
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InnerWisdom said: Well thats just pure coincidence, there is no meaning in that but the meaning you assign to it. I thought you liked nihilism. You are just biased towards solipsism. It has been obvious for a long time. I still dont understand why it should make a difference whether the world is created by your mind or not. It is all still there for you to sense. All the people you can see and talk to and the entirety of nature is out there. Certainly does not feel like a lone existence even if it were one (which it is not). I dont think you feel alone because of a belief in solipsism, but for some other reason and this solipsism is just a good excuse to not do anything about it or to see the reality. I am willing to bet if you wanted out of the existential problem of solipsism you could do so in a day if you really got to work. But like you said you are a nihilist so nothing really matters so why bother. But thats just laziness.
Read the previous replies to understand why it matters whether this is all in my head or not. If it’s all I my head then technically it’s not there to sense, all the people I see aren’t there and nature doesn’t exist “out there”. It is a lone existence, which shows to me you don’t understand solipsism.
It’s not a matter of nihilism, it’s more than to overcome this is essentially to believe otherwise which to me is a weak basis to form a method for living your life. I want to be out of this but there isn’t a solid choice to make, only belief. Why do you think I have been stuck like this for a few years, because there is no evidence between solipsism or otherwise that helps one make a choice. It just comes down to what you want to believe.
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Loaded Shaman said:
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Thanatos10 said: How do you know this "stream" is even a real thing? I mean solipsism itself doubts sensory data, so the explanation for such "visions" would be solipsism since you are "crafting reality" in a sense.
How are you defining "real" in this sense?
Why does it matter? There’s really only one definition for real.
But that doesn’t make solipsism any less sticky, I mean why assume or believe other people exist when you don’t have evidence you do. And my dreams “coming true” seems to be evidence for solipsism.
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The Blind Ass
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Your utterly wrong. Intellectual dishonesty right here mama.
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I am not sure if you purposely don't understand what I am pointing at: the fact that whether constructed completely by your mind or not, the outer world is there for you to sense. If you really want out of the hole you are in, I suggest you spend time investigating this outer world and your senses. In the end, for me, I don't think it matters whether it is actually there outside of me or not, because I cannot completely objectively verify it anyways, so what's the point. But what is really important to understand here is that there are two parts to the equation of subjective experience: input and interpretation, which is adding to the input from one's own brain and mind.
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Thanatos10
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The Blind Ass said: Your utterly wrong. Intellectual dishonesty right here mama.
How is it intellectually dishonest? You are assuming there is some stream out there to tap into.
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Re: What is Love? [Re: MrMoon]
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MrMoon said: Baby dont hurt me Dont hurt me No more
It cannot be emphasized enough.
Especially with solipsism, one hand washes the other.
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Re: What is Love? [Re: Asante]
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If you are the only being, then be fucking amazed that you were able to create the universe, all these people, all these experiences.
The world is magical and amazing, if you can't experience awe, then what's the purpose of living?
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oculodextro said: If you are the only being, then be fucking amazed that you were able to create the universe, all these people, all these experiences.
The world is magical and amazing, if you can't experience awe, then what's the purpose of living?
You are mistaken. There are no “other people” or universe for that matter. You are still thinking in terms of an external reality.
The world isn’t magical or amazing, that’s just what humans believe it to be.
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Getting your dick sucked isn’t magical or amazing, that’s just what humans believe it to be.
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Re: What is Love? [Re: Asante]
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You do have a point there
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Thanatos10
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Re: What is Love? [Re: Asante]
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Getting your dick sucked isn’t magical or amazing, that’s just what humans believe it to be.
Essentially yes, humans have to make things into more than they are to justify living
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