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Re: What is love? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26642568 - 05/02/20 01:25 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Well I can’t say for sure. I’ve only ever heard it described by other people and the responses are mixed. So I can’t really be sure what it is or what to look for.

The link was just something I stumbled on a while, but it sort of hurt my view of love.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10] * 2
    #26642649 - 05/02/20 02:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Jesus. Even though you're probably the most dislikable (yet not dishonest or violent) people I've ever come across due to the lack of kindness and constant negativity, I stil feel love and compassion for you, and want to help you if in some way I can, even though I know I can't unless you decide to do the work first.

That feeling I describe.. that's love. It's what I feel for my brother, friends, self. All people really. I can't let toxic people in close for they will harm me but no matter how much they hurt and frusttrate me I still feel this feeling for we are one and the same, and only different in the most superficial of ways and I want nothing but the best for every one.

There are different levels of love, but agape is what I refer to there. Feel free to dispute it or its unconditional nature; I did vehemently in PS&P before it happened to me in October 2015.

YOU are the only thing holding you back, and I wanna shake you awake to that fact, but really, this is the absolute best I can do.

As I say; if you can travel, you're welcome to meet. You'd be the 37th person I've met from here. Can't do any harm?

But that's it. I can do nothing else. You want answers and such, you've been given the best you're gonna get.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #26643463 - 05/02/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I am intrigued by your persistent perspective once again, Thanatos, whatever its source. Are you perhaps afraid of being a schizophrenic who imagines the world around him, or afraid of uncertainty to the extent that the illusory nature of reality terrifies you? Do you feel like to be able to live in this world you must first verify its existence?


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Re: What is love? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26643572 - 05/02/20 12:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Damn! Loving those thoughts right there. Does one have to confirm existence in order to enjoy it? Is Knowledge of the basis of Reality necessary for Happiness within it?


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Re: What is love? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26643592 - 05/02/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Damn! Loving those thoughts right there. Does one have to confirm existence in order to enjoy it? Is Knowledge of the basis of Reality necessary for Happiness within it?




The short answer is yes. I need to verify the existence of an external reality in order to enjoy it.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26643609 - 05/02/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Damn! Loving those thoughts right there. Does one have to confirm existence in order to enjoy it? Is Knowledge of the basis of Reality necessary for Happiness within it?




The short answer is yes. I need to verify the existence of an external reality in order to enjoy it.





when’s the last time you took a psychedelic voyage in earnest?


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Re: What is love? [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #26643623 - 05/02/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Damn! Loving those thoughts right there. Does one have to confirm existence in order to enjoy it? Is Knowledge of the basis of Reality necessary for Happiness within it?




The short answer is yes. I need to verify the existence of an external reality in order to enjoy it.





when’s the last time you took a psychedelic voyage in earnest?





He better not take Dissociatives. If he experiences a guise of The Lonely God he will off himself.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Asante]
    #26643798 - 05/02/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Damn! Loving those thoughts right there. Does one have to confirm existence in order to enjoy it? Is Knowledge of the basis of Reality necessary for Happiness within it?




The short answer is yes. I need to verify the existence of an external reality in order to enjoy it.





when’s the last time you took a psychedelic voyage in earnest?





He better not take Dissociatives. If he experiences a guise of The Lonely God he will off himself.




I doubt it would mean anything, I would just chalk it off to the effects of a drug.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26643861 - 05/02/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Jesus. Even though you're probably the most dislikable (yet not dishonest or violent) people I've ever come across due to the lack of kindness and constant negativity, I stil feel love and compassion for you, and want to help you if in some way I can, even though I know I can't unless you decide to do the work first.

That feeling I describe.. that's love. It's what I feel for my brother, friends, self. All people really. I can't let toxic people in close for they will harm me but no matter how much they hurt and frusttrate me I still feel this feeling for we are one and the same, and only different in the most superficial of ways and I want nothing but the best for every one.

There are different levels of love, but agape is what I refer to there. Feel free to dispute it or its unconditional nature; I did vehemently in PS&P before it happened to me in October 2015.

YOU are the only thing holding you back, and I wanna shake you awake to that fact, but really, this is the absolute best I can do.

As I say; if you can travel, you're welcome to meet. You'd be the 37th person I've met from here. Can't do any harm?

But that's it. I can do nothing else. You want answers and such, you've been given the best you're gonna get.




I don't think there is such a thing as unconditional love, because I would have to test it in any and all circumstances. I don't think dogs love unconditionally either and I have a few cases to prove it, plus I think it's more like we think they do which is harmless.

I don't know if I have felt the same way about people as you do. I mean I can dislike someone in the moment but hate is something that for me is too strong to be warranted.

I don't know about romantic love, I've been with many guys but I haven't felt anything like that for anyone beyond the immediate moment. I don't wish them ill but I don't think it's what my parents have for each other.

Then again reading that link sort of damaged my perspective on love.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26643878 - 05/02/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Damn! Loving those thoughts right there. Does one have to confirm existence in order to enjoy it? Is Knowledge of the basis of Reality necessary for Happiness within it?




The short answer is yes. I need to verify the existence of an external reality in order to enjoy it.





when’s the last time you took a psychedelic voyage in earnest?





He better not take Dissociatives. If he experiences a guise of The Lonely God he will off himself.





If Thanatos took dissociative, that would be like creating a Black Hole inside a Black Hole. Who knows what would happen :mindblown: :incredible:

Thanatos, lets start with :nitrous: then work up to MXE at the end.


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Re: What is love? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26643905 - 05/02/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: What is love? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26643915 - 05/02/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You are assuming I would assign any sort of meaning to such an experience. Psychedelics don't have any real effect if you don't assign any meaning to what happens and see it for what it is. At least in my experience and a few others I have known.

But this is kind of off topic from the Love part.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26643916 - 05/02/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

First of all, Dissociative are not psychedelics, but they are related to them.

Maybe the purpose is the experience itself? FPS stuff.

But yeah, lets get back to the love. How does a person know what "True Love" is? What is the purest form of love?


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Re: What is love? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26643922 - 05/02/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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First of all, Dissociative are not psychedelics, but they are related to them.

Maybe the purpose is the experience itself? FPS stuff.

But yeah, lets get back to the love. How does a person know what "True Love" is? What is the purest form of love?




There isn't really a purpose. Stimulus>response. That's about it.

Why assume there is a "pure form" of love? I wonder where people even got unconditional love? Maybe it's a need for security and safety that led us to create that idea, something that doesn't fade and has no strings attached.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26643928 - 05/02/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The assumption is that it might be a possibility. You can make a pure extract of a plant, or a pure 14K gold ring, but can Love itself, an abstract emotion, be pure like Gold or Plant oil or Pure Water? Is that even possible? If so, what would it feel like?


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Re: What is love? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26643965 - 05/02/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The assumption is that it might be a possibility. You can make a pure extract of a plant, or a pure 14K gold ring, but can Love itself, an abstract emotion, be pure like Gold or Plant oil or Pure Water? Is that even possible? If so, what would it feel like?




I think people like to have something to reach for.

I hear unconditional love touted a lot in New Age stuff and some Eastern religions, but I don't buy it. You would have to test it in any and all situations and I know for a fact they haven't and that we do have drugs and procedures that can prevent such feelings.

Again I think it comes for a need to feel safe. Even saying that "everything is love" is born from a need to feel secure and taken care of. In sense the people who preach things are children who never grew up. At least from what I can gather.

Research shows that humans can only "care" about 100-150 people mentally, which makes me think that unconditional love sounds like a lofty idea that doesn't hold in practice.

But I think this is getting off track.

I did date a guy once and he did come out of the closet for me. But the relationship wasn't what people made it out to be. No sparks, no fire per se. He did love me but I was unsure about myself. I didn't really like the sex though, felt more like an obligation to keep him happy.


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Re: What is Love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26643989 - 05/02/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I dont think it exists


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Re: What is Love? [Re: KING-James]
    #26644061 - 05/02/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Most people think so but I don’t see proof of it.

As for solipsism, I’m managing better when it comes to it. But I still have concerns about dreams I have that later on come true


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Re: What is Love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26644209 - 05/02/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hence love always remains a mystery to me


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Re: What is Love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26644290 - 05/02/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

But to my point about solipsism, if the mind can’t create experiences that it has no knowledge of then how can I have dreams that come true later on? Seems like proof of solipsism


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