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Re: Homosexuality is cool yo [Re: Asante] 1
#26703991 - 05/29/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Asante said: Magenta, you gravely underestimate how big a deal it is to grow up gay, and then having to finally come out to your family and friends, and have all these relationships irreversibly altered by that coming out.
Getting teeth punched out of your mouth or your head kicked in for holding hands or kissing in public.
Growing up hearing all that homophobic banter and innuendo that a non-gay never gives a second thought, and not seldom having your life destroyed.
That takes some god damn courage, to own up to that and paint that target on your forehead for the world to respond to.
That takes BALLS, be they testicles or ovaries.
That is why gay pride, trans pride and black pride IS a thing and majority pride is sorry-ass self pity in comparison. You don't have to tell your conservative dad you're a cis straight white guy. You'd better be.


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Re: Homosexuality is cool yo [Re: Tantrika] 1
#26703993 - 05/29/20 09:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Magenta said: I get that the homosexual community has has few hurdles to jump over to be accepted but i think we're long past that and pretending that the hurdles are still freshly past is bullshit.
This June celebrates 5 years of gay marriage being legal in the US, so that is pretty rad
Thats the optimist view.
The reality is that its only been 5 years since utterly troglodyte laws were repealed.
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Re: Homosexuality is cool yo [Re: Asante]
#26704008 - 05/29/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Magenta said: I get that the homosexual community has has few hurdles to jump over to be accepted but i think we're long past that and pretending that the hurdles are still freshly past is bullshit.
This June celebrates 5 years of gay marriage being legal in the US, so that is pretty rad
Thats the optimist view.
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Magenta said: I know some people are still going to disagree but there's going to be assholes who disagree on everything, it's not unique.
gotta smile or mentioning hurdles less than a decade old makes us assholes
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Re: Homosexuality is cool yo [Re: Asante] 2
#26704066 - 05/29/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm anti marriage. I think it's a pointless and a waste of resources. The Gay community should have let the straight community have the shitty contract. It's like two dogs fighting over a petty bone while there's a juicy piece of steak lying within eyesight of the two. I don't get that. I think you're a decade older than me Asante. I'm in my early 30s. You're probably right Asante and my perception of the situation is drastically different to yours due to the generation gap. I've grew up with some people whom came out as homosexuals. They were in their teens at the time that they 'came out' and they did endure a lot of social rejection and emotional trauma, but no physical violence.
At the end of the day i don't think a shitty rainbow filter on a Facebook profile of some random straight guy really accomplishes anything.
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Re: Homosexuality is cool yo [Re: Tantrika] 1
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Magenta said: I know some people are still going to disagree but there's going to be assholes who disagree on everything, it's not unique.
gotta smile or mentioning hurdles less than a decade old makes us assholes

The 'assholes' i was referencing are the people saying that 'gay is bad'. My point was that there's always going to be a critic somewhere, no matter what you decide to do.
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Re: Homosexuality is cool yo [Re: Magenta]
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Magenta said: I know some people are still going to disagree but there's going to be assholes who disagree on everything, it's not unique.
gotta smile or mentioning hurdles less than a decade old makes us assholes

The 'assholes' i was referencing are the people saying that 'gay is bad'. My point was that there's always going to be a critic somewhere, no matter what you decide to do.
Thank you for clearing up my miscomprehension
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Re: Homosexuality is cool yo [Re: Magenta] 1
#26704252 - 05/29/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Magenta said: . I say don't change what ain't broken.
Hey mate, I now understand what the Australian life is all about! Trents anus is also nearby.
Check it out :
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I don't see the relevance that video has to this thread. You're hella lucky i've banned Logical Chaos from view access at the moment. Despite it's irelevance i must admit that it really did resonate with my Australian behavioural patterns and i found it hilarious.
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Re: Homosexuality is cool yo [Re: Magenta]
#26704284 - 05/29/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shit yeah that was pretty random for this thread, my b.
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Re: Homosexuality is cool yo [Re: Magenta] 2
#26704659 - 05/29/20 01:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Magenta said: I'm anti marriage. I think it's a pointless and a waste of resources. The Gay community should have let the straight community have the shitty contract. It's like two dogs fighting over a petty bone while there's a juicy piece of steak lying within eyesight of the two. I don't get that. I think you're a decade older than me Asante. I'm in my early 30s. You're probably right Asante and my perception of the situation is drastically different to yours due to the generation gap. I've grew up with some people whom came out as homosexuals. They were in their teens at the time that they 'came out' and they did endure a lot of social rejection and emotional trauma, but no physical violence.
At the end of the day i don't think a shitty rainbow filter on a Facebook profile of some random straight guy really accomplishes anything.
The point of gays being accepted by marriage is that there are laws that prevent non married people from seeing them in a hospital and other legal things that ONLY MARRIED couples are privy to. SO, gay marriage is a humongous deal to people in a legal sense more so than just a piece of paper.
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Re: Homosexuality is cool yo [Re: Magenta] 1
#26704713 - 05/29/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Magenta said: I don't see the relevance that video has to this thread. You're hella lucky i've banned Logical Chaos from view access at the moment. Despite it's irrelevance i must admit that it really did resonate with my Australian behavioural patterns and i found it hilarious. 
Nice call Magenta, thank you.
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Re: Homosexuality is cool yo [Re: Tantrika]
#26705648 - 05/29/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Narcissists are too unaware to actually see how others perceive them.
That goes for many sociopaths too.
With all due respect, as a gay man and a former abused child, fuck you very much for implicating gays with pedophilia.
Know who the biggest child fuckers are? The ones who had the children in the first place.
I think it has to do with homosexuality and trait openness
Its not an implication. A large portion of abused children go on to abuse, but that doesnt mean all abused children abuse, and not all abusers were abused. You are putting your emotions to things. Your a man, so are you a murderer? Probably not. Men commit most murders, not all murderers are men.
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specialpeopleclub said: It helps me to engage. Im aware some people have no ability to see other peoples perspective.
Yeah, your refusal to see other perspectives became clear early on when you said you discount all anecdotes from people other than yourself because you believe most people to be pathological liars
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specialpeopleclub said: It isnt usually about being correct when you are reasonable. How you come to the conclusions and the thoughts that underlie them do. It doesnt much intelligence to look at. It takes mindfullness and slowing down.
This really explains why you have so many problems in conversation perhaps if you practiced some of these things, you would become more effective in communication
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specialpeopleclub said: I agree that children are precious a d should be protected. Like most people id like to make it so convicted child molesters get no chance to return to society.
Would take it a step further and put people who post promotion of pedophiliac arguments on a watch list to mitigate the chance they molest children in the first place
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specialpeopleclub said: Individuals do things and sometimes groups overlap.
am surprised that it has taken you so long to come to understand this point but at least you have made it this far
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specialpeopleclub said: Its very frustrating how something so easy to understand has taken so much explaining, and that i have totalk about molestation again.
You never had to talk about molestation in the first place this thread is for discussion of homosexuality but you decided to correlate homosexuality with pedophilia
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specialpeopleclub said: It was an analogy that was weaponized against me, then taken personally.
not taking things personally is like, some Buddhist rule i think. Maybe i heard it from sam harris. It isnt where good discourse comes from
Your false perception that it was weaponized against you is still an instance of you taking it too personally but glad that you recognize how it has steered you into negative discourse
I accept you have that perspective. That doesnt mean i havent thought about why i have the opinions i have. You just dont like that i dont accept there is ignificance in the gender your born with and spend the first decade or more developing as, especially as it pertains to fairness in sports.
I know its an implication toward me. Im not sure about invading peoples privacy, even for something so terrible. Do you understand some people make philisophical arguments on topics to understand topics and positions. Taking a more harsh position to show what a good person you are doesnt mean you cant be obnoxious. I havent once defended pedophilia. I used it in a metaphore, and you la k reading comprehension
Ive heard many times there is, and it seems to be the case optically. It usually seems like gay molestation in religious groups.
It isnt a perception. You saying things like that you cant know if I am insyead of giving me the benefit of the doubt as a statement like that with no evidance deserves. You can't even admit you maliciously took a metaphore and implied i was-that. Would you have accused me of murder if i said that instead?  It could have been mentioned once if you either had reading comprehension to understand the metaphor, or were honest. Depending on what applies.
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specialpeopleclub said: I accept you have that perspective. That doesnt mean i havent thought about why i have the opinions i have.
 so your idea of seeing things from another person's perspective is that you accept they have a perspective, and that you think about the opinions you have
that is not you seeing from other perspectives, that is reinforcement of your own perspective
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specialpeopleclub said: You just dont like that i dont accept there is ignificance in the gender your born with and spend the first decade or more developing as, especially as it pertains to fairness in sports.
Nah, do not give a shit about such a view if you had not been notified of my being trans you would not have any idea you have decided that my identity is of such grand importance to you that you have to lecture me on all your opinions about people like me
being out and tolerating people whose perspective peeks out through their own buttcheeks is more about letting them expose the flaws in their arguments themselves for anyone else reading the conversation to see
but, in this case, you managed to use language "I don't accept there is [s]ignificane in the gender your born with" that would mean that you totally disregard my birth gender which is obviously not the messaging you are trying to convey but is similar to you earlier attempting to say that trans men are not women to get at me, when trans men are men and trans women are women

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specialpeopleclub said: I know its an implication toward me. Im not sure about invading peoples privacy, even for something so terrible.
Public watch list for public actions not suggesting that the FBI starts going through the files on someone's computer, just that when someone publicly posts pedophiliac supporting material the public in their area should have some awareness as well, so parents can protect their kids
imagine how great it would be if creepy teachers who slept with students had eyes on them from day one because they posted shit online about how they think X age is old enough even if it is illegal
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specialpeopleclub said: Do you understand some people make philisophical arguments on topics to understand topics and positions.
And some people attempt to hide their beliefs behind philisophical arguments on topics am not clear why you are against more publicity for public statements
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specialpeopleclub said: Taking a more harsh position to show what a good person you are doesnt mean you cant be obnoxious.
It has nothing to do with me being a good or bad person, you have a skewed view of what is "at stake" in this conversation
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specialpeopleclub said: I havent once defended pedophilia. I used it in a metaphore, and you la k reading comprehension.
Your words are available for everyone to see and have been quoted so you can't double back to try and twist your meaning as stated
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specialpeopleclub said: Ive heard many times there is, and it seems to be the case optically. It usually seems like gay molestation in religious groups.
Yeah, but we already established likely potential of you being a narcissist who projects your negative tendencies on to others so what you "seem" to observe is questionable, at best
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specialpeopleclub said: It isnt a perception. You saying things like that you cant know if I am insyead of giving me the benefit of the doubt as a statement like that with no evidance deserves. You can't even admit you maliciously took a metaphore and implied i was-that. Would you have accused me of murder if i said that instead?  It could have been mentioned once if you either had reading comprehension to understand the metaphor, or were honest. Depending on what applies.
You are awful defensive for someone who has not even been accused of anything to begin with
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Re: Homosexuality is cool yo [Re: Tantrika]
#26705873 - 05/29/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well...
Government now has the legal power to secretly spy on all your private internet data : content, searches, history, emails, etc. All without a warrant, consent, or one’s knowledge.
Thanks HR 6172! - it passed a short while ago during the chaotic News Cycles covering Corona Virus. All amendments to the bill to limit its power, scope, and potential use on ordinary American citizens was shot down, aka, the bill passed and now they have full legal authority over all US citizens who use the internet.
Better be good boys and girls from now on.
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You are one of the most either didhonest or confused people ive talked to.
I can evaluate your subjective opijion without accepting its validity. I can also be respectful, untill you start making demands. Your identity creates societal confusion and you dont express any empathy for society.
My words are there. Why would i change them? You make implications, ive explained the way you made these imp?ications. Youd express remourse for you said something that could be interpreted as implying someone is a pedophile, or taking a possibly excessive statement about liers and doing the exact same thing.
Its the sort of rhetoric i expect. You make your trangenderism known, often, because all transsexuals are attention seekers that have no ability to give any ground. Anyone tbat doesn't call you your chosed gender or has ant reservations about you being the same as a woman are transphobic.
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The Blind Ass said: Well...
Government now has the legal power to secretly spy on all your private internet data : content, searches, history, emails, etc. All without a warrant, consent, or one’s knowledge.
Thanks HR 6172! - it passed a short while ago during the chaotic News Cycles covering Corona Virus. All amendments to the bill to limit its power, scope, and potential use on ordinary American citizens was shot down, aka, the bill passed and now they have full legal authority over all US citizens who use the internet.
Better be good boys and girls from now on.
This seems worth killing over. Too bad the people burning Minneapolis are idiots.
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Re: Homosexuality is cool yo [Re: Tantrika]
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Asante said: Magenta, you gravely underestimate how big a deal it is to grow up gay, and then having to finally come out to your family and friends, and have all these relationships irreversibly altered by that coming out.
Getting teeth punched out of your mouth or your head kicked in for holding hands or kissing in public.
Growing up hearing all that homophobic banter and innuendo that a non-gay never gives a second thought, and not seldom having your life destroyed.
That takes some god damn courage, to own up to that and paint that target on your forehead for the world to respond to.
That takes BALLS, be they testicles or ovaries.
That is why gay pride, trans pride and black pride IS a thing and majority pride is sorry-ass self pity in comparison. You don't have to tell your conservative dad you're a cis straight white guy. You'd better be.



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specialpeopleclub said: You make your trangenderism known, often, because all transsexuals are attention seekers that have no ability to give any ground.
When you make such broad generalizations about a massive group of people, it's really hard to take you seriously.
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Re: Homosexuality is cool yo [Re: BooShow]
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Edit - doh 😖
Ps. Idk how the news or the internet isn’t blow up over HR 6172 ( well I do ). Still, If there was literally a perfect target for American people’s fury and righteous indignation - this is it.
I can’t even anymore. Hon hon hon (I’m stealing that SPC)
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specialpeopleclub said: You are one of the most either didhonest or confused people ive talked to.
Huzzah, more projection
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specialpeopleclub said: I can evaluate your subjective opijion without accepting its validity. I can also be respectful, untill you start making demands. Your identity creates societal confusion and you dont express any empathy for society.
No demands have been made, but you have not been respectful more dishonesty, but c'est la vie
Again, it would have been entirely feasible for me to take the route of abandoning this account and getting an approved puppet at the point of my transition due to mistreatment of previous trans posters but actively decided not to -- decided to let people know that I am trans so they can voice their concerns
the fact that your opinion doesn't mean shit is not me lacking empathy for society it is the fact that you're some crybaby on the internet trying to tell me all about how bad it is for me to be trans and you seem to be oblivious to how the majority of society has responded positively to my transitioning
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specialpeopleclub said: Its the sort of rhetoric i expect. You make your trangenderism known, often, because all transsexuals are attention seekers that have no ability to give any ground

if you are worried about me being an attention seeker, stop going out of your way to give me attention
the real truth is you are an attention seeker desperate for people to hear your opinions on an issue you know basically nothing about
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specialpeopleclub said: Anyone tbat doesn't call you your chosed gender or has ant reservations about you being the same as a woman are transphobic.
You already flipped out when being notified about the biological realities of trans women and went back into your hole about how bad they are you aren't transphobic because you misgender me, that is just you being an asshole you are transphobic because you fear my presence in society is doing harm -- you are literally scared of trans people on the basis of existence
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specialpeopleclub said: Its like how idiots have gay parades with very sexual themes and the gay community doesnt condem them. Its all about them.
man, you live in such a hole no wonder you are so butthurt and discouraged all the time
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Re: Homosexuality is cool yo [Re: ichugwindex]
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Asante said: Magenta, you gravely underestimate how big a deal it is to grow up gay, and then having to finally come out to your family and friends, and have all these relationships irreversibly altered by that coming out.
Getting teeth punched out of your mouth or your head kicked in for holding hands or kissing in public.
Growing up hearing all that homophobic banter and innuendo that a non-gay never gives a second thought, and not seldom having your life destroyed.
That takes some god damn courage, to own up to that and paint that target on your forehead for the world to respond to.
That takes BALLS, be they testicles or ovaries.
That is why gay pride, trans pride and black pride IS a thing and majority pride is sorry-ass self pity in comparison. You don't have to tell your conservative dad you're a cis straight white guy. You'd better be.




How so?
My life presenting as a cishet male may have been Minecraft Hardcore mode difficulty while rich white dudes are playing Minecraft with cheats
but no one spent pages and pages of Shroomery posts telling me about how me being a cishet white man is destroying society, how people like me should be banned from sports, etc. crazy people who push that agenda are out there, but they are as loud as they are small
my life since coming out as trans has meant more challenges but it also means more reward in overcoming them and feeling better and sharing happiness with more people over being myself
but am also fully aware that trans women from minority backgrounds are the remaining death statistics for the trans community as a white trans woman, am comparatively safe because white cishet men and women are more accepting of me than a Muslim community will be if finding out someone in their community is trans
Praise the Sun!
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