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Bodhi Registered: 08/16/16 Posts: 26,657 Loc: The Primordial Mind |
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Quote: Possibly that or possibly a sign or a symptom of a physical abnormality or condition. I mean, it’s one thing if your choosing to attempt forgo one’s own sexual appetite for some personal reason(s) - but there is a word for that, abstinence or celibacy. But for whatever reason nowadays people are trying to reinvent the wheel with terms like anti sexuality or asexuality.... If you are mammalian , you are inherently sexual to some degree - it’s part of ones nature.
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Miss Ann Thrope Registered: 03/26/12 Posts: 17,138 Loc: Lashed to the py |
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Quote: Or like cis people claiming the correlations with sexual abuse are causal like how trans people who detransition typically do so because of social pressures then end up transitioning again later for personal choice rather than detransitioning serving some indication of personal problems with individual identity ![]() Quote: Ehh, think you are making too much of it here there are all sorts of precedence through history for healthy renunciation of sexual activity it's just that if you say you are going to be abstinent as a Monk for love of God, the people that make fun of you for not getting any also hold a degree of respect for not chasing any but do at least agree asexuality, whether or not one wishes to believe it is a lived condition since birth, is a functional means of relating with and interacting with other people and a sense that sexuality, tho effective in perpetuation of the species, does not increase emotional closeness or connection in a genuine way just a flash of chemicals tricking you into thinking a partner is worthy of support and/or protection
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This thread name is like a bizarro Anal Cunt song.
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Registered: 04/10/14 Posts: 5,584 Loc: Mitten Last seen: 3 years, 7 months |
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Transexuals themselves are a manifestation of culture and mental illness.
Some of it is also men trying to invade women's space. i see why desperate men would try to become women. They get social leniency Causality isnt important. the reason isnt important unless you can prove the reason by changing the number We all fit some phychological profile. The more i see the less i see individual issues as compartmentalized, especially sexual deviation. Not that being deviant makes someone less of a person. Its a variable though
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Miss Ann Thrope Registered: 03/26/12 Posts: 17,138 Loc: Lashed to the py |
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Quote: As transgender people have a history of documentation as early as ancient Sumeria through the major Goddess Ishtar does this mean you consider the culture and mental illness to be something that has existed in perpetuity since the onset of interpersonal cultures? basically, is your position that the influences of the Social Contract supercede base levels of identity and sexuality in a way that causes transgenderism and that you believe transgenderism does not exist in nature barring examples of fish, amphibians, and reptiles that do so to perpetuate their species? Quote: This opininion is you as a man trying to invade the space of women's opinions can see why you would try to call attention to women as having it easier in terms of social leniency tho just as cis people have it easier in terms of social leniency than trans people do however, due to the real existence of trans men it is actually still dangerous to introduce laws saying that someone has to use the spaces of the sex they were declared at birth because it means such creepy men do not even need to dress as women; they can just start walking in to women's spaces and declaring they are there because they are trans men required to be there despite their appearance ![]() dude in the middle was born with a vag, so he is "supposed" to be there despite how he looks in the wake of his testosterone treatments Quote: (lack of) Causality is important to address in this case. Am not accusing you of pushing such a narrative, but there are indeed people who will push a narrative that sexual abuse is the cause of homosexuality and that treatment of the abuse survivor can also get rid of their homosexuality this narrative exists because of relating homosexual orientation to social problems in a manner similar to your preceeding statement with regards to asexuals ![]() When wanting to examine -just- the correlation tho then, yeah, we can start to discuss things like how unequal or discriminatory treatment of LGBTQ+ individuals means that LGBTQ+ individuals are also more vulnerable in youth, with less people to talk to and more potential issues abusers can use to silence them Quote: At least you recognize that variation from "the norm" does not make someone less of a person agree with you here, gay and trans people are simply human LGBTQ+ Rights are simply Human Rights
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Miss Ann Thrope Registered: 03/26/12 Posts: 17,138 Loc: Lashed to the py |
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Quote: Feel like it is prolly relevant to come back to this, and while agreeing with your point, also noting that "Bambi Lesbian" does not explicitly refer to asexuality any more than it refers to frigidness the classification can be used for asexual lesbians but it covers lesbians that still enjoy sex, just seek out intimacy in the community in a broader scope than seeking out sexual interactions the cuteification is complimentary and celebrates the innocent joy they are able to find in life while the expectation of "being a lesbian" is to be hypersexual with other women this is where the "problem" of the LGBTQ2+ community being interpreted and perceived as strictly a sexual community really causes issues of understanding for some people
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Registered: 04/10/14 Posts: 5,584 Loc: Mitten Last seen: 3 years, 7 months |
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Due to variability i would expect to see this in the past. I do see it as almost completely cultural.
Women dont like men that take hormones invading their sports and private areas. There is no standard. Though im not a woman, there arent opinions im not allowed to have. Ive made my opinions on races that arent my own that ive edplained too. Im not playing that shit. I dont indulge fantisies either. It could be causal. Personally, i havent been sexually abused. Proving causation is difficult. Enough correlation and its worth thinking about. I dont ignore uncomfortable ideas because of social pressure. Its obvious women commit less murder for completely biological reasons for example. You saying its discrimination is meaningless supposition, to me Personally i also reject the 'lgbtq+' idea. I find it offensive to be grouped with others that have nothing to do with me for political reasons. Especially when i dont vote ike them and they hold it against me. Its not good some people are more vulnerabe, but those variables convolute issues to me that are easier to think about without letting my emotions be tempted. I know it sounds mean, but i dont like putting value to things like someones entire experiance i can only listen to. Being human doesnt mean much, really. Dont put too much into that.
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Miss Ann Thrope Registered: 03/26/12 Posts: 17,138 Loc: Lashed to the py |
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Quote: Well, interestingly actually agree with you with regards to it being almost completely cultural but that is because the perception of gender and gender roles is also almost completely cultural there would not be any "transgender" movements if we did not have such heavily gendered society dictating who is expected to do or like what Quote: You are allowed to have opinions but you writing them to me on the Shroomery does not make them hold any more weight than anyone elses and personally know women involved in sports (Football ("soccer" for Americans); Wrestling; short distance sprints) who both do not interpret it as "men that take hormones" because they view transwomen as women and who do not have a problem with their presence and competing against them, so long as they are on testosterone blockers ![]() hell, know women who are all for competing with cis men ![]() Quote: how about trans women also commit less murder than cis men for completely biological reasons ![]() Quote: Yeah, it is unfortunate that the broader LGBTQ+ community has to deal with having our identity so heavily politicized from the outside am thankful to live in Canada where it is more about sense of community and gathering than about having to fight legislation meant to discriminate against some or all of us people in the US facing more active issues of dicrimination having to fight more is discouraging to me, but respect their struggles Quote: Ignoring variables you don't like thinking about does not sound mean, it sounds like you actively choose to draw conclusions about issues while limiting the information you acknowledge with regards to them Quote: so then how do you feel with regards to transgenderism in nature in non-human species? proof that it's not just a cultural thing, or a variable you find it easier to not think about?
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Registered: 04/10/14 Posts: 5,584 Loc: Mitten Last seen: 3 years, 7 months |
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I disagree with gender being cultural. Its almost uniform thrughout the world how people relate to it.
The advantage of men evan after estrogen is obnoxious, as are any defenses of the practice. It doesnt happen with f-m, because its more than just testosterone. Probably. Testosterone seems correlated with impulsiveness. I think some problems are a societal discussion that people mistake for something legislation can solve. Sort of like the lockdown, where they should have asked but chose the obnoxious rout. Its more like eliminating minutia. People like dragging you away from points to manipulate emotions. I can understand more problems of a certain type in a group. Once im listening to anecdotes, i hear ![]() Animals lack the capacity for it to mean anything, in my opinion
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Miss Ann Thrope Registered: 03/26/12 Posts: 17,138 Loc: Lashed to the py |
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Quote: So then why do you perceive transgenderism as cultural yet gender as not? Do you have a limited scope of comprehension with regards to how frequently trans people have existed in societies across the world and through history? Quote: the reality is you are a man trying to tell a woman that in your opinion women don't like trans women in their sports and when told that women who participate in sports tell me otherwise, you treat that as an obnoxious position Quote: ![]() am not going to spar with you on this, but would be interested if Asante has any thoughts he would like to voice when he wakes up he has spoken against me previously with regards to testosterone and violence and it is my presumption that even if we share an overlap here, your broader views may inform things in a different way that is insightful to read or he can ignore it, that's cool too, am just aware he has familiarity with being a cis man who supplements with additional testosterone Quote: lockdown went fairly well in my country lockdown went excellent in New Zealand both countries will face issues with global economy, but with countries all across the globe locking down that was true anyway particularly in the case of my country being heavily import and export reliant for GDP tho one of the worst parts is being unable to reopen the US border due to health risks from outbreak there and lack of a meaningful lockdown in that country to my comprehension, we have resumed some trading with China instead which seems absurd to me Quote: And do you recognize your own input as being the anecdotes that they are or do you presume yours to have a value? Quote: so inconvenient variable then?
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Registered: 04/10/14 Posts: 5,584 Loc: Mitten Last seen: 3 years, 7 months |
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Quote: -trangenderism is a delusion. It also seems to often come with a need for attention. As far as im concerned transexuals are as real as otherkin. -a few people you know doesnt mean anything. M-f transexuals have a distict advantage. Perhaps some of these women havet had to experiance that. It isnt a slight advantage either. Their opinions are unimportant. Its like if everyone thought fucking children was good. Fuck those people, fuck their idiotic opinions. -All of the mods ive talked to here are complete morons aside from pris, who has been gone 3 years. I have no interest in his opinion. -We shouldnt reopen the us boreder. Immigrants have been fucking us for decades. You miss the point. Government shouldnt be able to shut down buisinesses to save lives. Whats next? No more cars? Make drugs illegal... ![]() -i can evaluate my anecdotes. I can only take soneones word on theirs. They could lie. They probably are considering how many people are pathological liers. Most people -there is no variable. They dont have the capacity to be that way. Its like asking if a doll can be trans. You can put a dress on an animal or doll, its equally meaningless.
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Miss Ann Thrope Registered: 03/26/12 Posts: 17,138 Loc: Lashed to the py |
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Quote: That's nice your opinion on the matter has already been sufficiently shown to be uninformed that it can be ignored Quote: Nor do you mean anything the difference is, the people in my reference are women who compete against trans women and don't mind you can tell me all about how in your opinion they have an unfair advantage and should not be there but that is still just you saying shit -- your previous claim was to be speaking for women on our behalf saying women don't want trans women competing Quote: Honestly, your obsession with spinning trans issues to fucking children makes wonder whether you yourself are actually in support of pedophilia like all those other lying fucks who try to hinge pedophilia on to LGBTQ+ rights more generally but, whether you are or not, do agree fuck all such people and their idiotic opinions Quote: Did not claim you had interest my statement was one expressing my own interest you are just so full of yourself that you want to press your opinion on everything even matters where it clearly does not apply Quote: Was talking about reopening Canada's border to the US, which can't be done because the US is a shit show We shut down, and now we are reopening in a number of places where covid is eliminated lockdown was as much about preventing more serious damage to the economy as it was about saving lives sorry you think taking such a route is obnoxious; let me know how doing otherwise works out for you Quote: A pathological liar would consider most people pathological liars this further reinforces my presumption that your fixation on pedophilia when discussing LGBTQ+ issues is potentially informed by your pressing in favour of pedophilia elsewhere Quote: There are species that literally change their sex organs in their perpetuation of their genes and you are talking about putting dresses on dolls this reinforces just how uninformed and meaningless your opinion is
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Registered: 04/10/14 Posts: 5,584 Loc: Mitten Last seen: 3 years, 7 months |
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I dont know how you can 'inform' someone into thinking a person in psychologically distress over their functioning genitals is more than a delusion. It doesnt mean you cant be good in other ways. Ive enjoyed your posts more than most.
So, because a few women are find with a hormone taking man competing, it justifies the disadvantage? This is the narcissistic neediness i talk about. One woman upset about this issue is worth more than if evero other woman signed off on it. Its objectively an advantage. Why not just let any man on estrogen compete? Why can we question the authenticity of their beliefes about their identity, ever? What if im transexual and refuse hormones and surgery? Id understand being aprehensive even as a transexual. Gays fuck more kids. It isnt a lie. I say that as someone gay. Its an absurd correlation. Ignoring it woukd make me dishonest. It was an example for a point. I could have picked murder. Its gross to accuse someeone of a crime because they bding it up. Very female of you ![]() I thought id be made to look like an idiot when places opened up and people got sick. It seems intuitive and scientific arent the same. I understand the rationale as it pertains to spreading the virus. I dont see how it could do anything except harm the economy unless it were much more serious Once again, very female of you holdI have odd sexual proclivities. Not of that sort though ![]() Im the opposite of a pathological lier. Not that i cant lie. I really dislike the feeling, though Animals that change their gender are in no way analogous to a human distressed by their healthy reproductive organs, in my opinion. Its more analogous to people that want a limb removed. Both groups have been known to do so themself when denied treatment.
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Miss Ann Thrope Registered: 03/26/12 Posts: 17,138 Loc: Lashed to the py |
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Quote: In your case, it is not likely to be possible and not worth the effort; have seen you demonstrate comprehension on other topics, but not here people need sufficient capacity for understanding and reasoning skills to recognize biological and historical factors you're still hanging out back at "Transgender is cultural but gender isn't" ![]() Quote: it is more than a few women my statement was with regards to knowing a few women who participate in different sports without taking issue with transgender players in the instance of football (soccer, since you may not have paid full attention to my statement last time) in particular, multiple teams of women are fine with a transgender participant am just acquainted with the teams while friends with a particular (cisgender) player from a competing team in the league Quote: it is narcissistic neediness if every woman but one is okay with it? are you meaning to say that the single woman who objects is being narcisstic and needy or are you saying that all the others are? this reminds me of the attitudes of terfs who started beating up cisgender women for refusing to stop supporting transgender women Quote: Why not make up a bunch of strawmen and try to induce panic about them while women are going about their business? Quote: Honestly, would also expect a pedophile to try and draw attention to a correlation between their interests and the LGBTQ+ community before objecting to being called out on it but even then, did not go so far as to call you out on it nor accuse you of it my first statement was expressing my wondering; my second statement (which you object to again later) was pointing out that potential presence of pathological lying reinforces a presumption of potential action have no evidence you are such, so will not call you such but getting real uncomfortable vibes from this conversation considered in context of previous conversations on LGBTQ+ matters Quote: the severity and spread were the issues can comprehend that the US has different concerns but with Canada funding public healthcare of every citizen having to potentially treat thousands if not a couple million more patients would have crippled our medical system, and vastly increased future taxes to shovel back out of the debt from all the treatments Quote: female of me or not, someone saying most people are pathological liars is a red flag of a pathological liar a pathological liar uses such a perception to justify their own use of lies do not think a healthy, honest person could function in society while holding to such a view and while not coming to a conclusion that you are such (am not qualified to diagnose; and no one qualified to diagnose would attempt to do so through online text) it would synergize uncomfortably well with system of lies that people sometimes use when seeking to tie LGBTQ+ to pedophilia to further aims of pedophilia promoting organizations Quote: "changing sex organs isn't like changing sex organs it's more like this other thing that has nothing to do with that"
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Registered: 04/10/14 Posts: 5,584 Loc: Mitten Last seen: 3 years, 7 months |
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Im saying all of the others are narcessistic. It opens up questions of legitimacy. Having a man on your team is an objective advantage.
Id be against it if all men wanted to allow women in mans football 🏈 too. Shed get fucked up the sport would be tainted. I know its mean, but you shouldnt be in sports at all as a transexual just because of the controversy. Perhaps if you participated as a m-f in mens sports at a disadvantage. As the argument is, all i see are narcessistic men have invading. I disagree with assulting transgendered people. Feminism doesnt include transexuals. I dont even like feminists. Bunch of whiny victims that act like their experiances are more significant due to their gender. All it takes is one woman getting second place and asking how-the-fuck they got put against someone with advantages in bone shape and density, and musculature, despite being on hormones. Then the sport looses legitimacy. How long should you need to be on hormones? Should someone that transitioned a few months ago be thrown in with biological woman? I could see allowing m-f in male sports. why would i have to be a lier to recognize it? You just need lied to enough to understand I think pedophiles and pedophile sympathetic people in the 'community' do so. I dont like the movement and think its like any other leftist organization of troubled people. Your implication is the same as if someone mentioned how criminal their race was, so you accuse them of being a criminal. My proclivities are not age related. Its good it didnt turn out as we were told. An animal biologically primed to change sex isnt the same as a human being distressed by their functioning genitals. Your removing our agency. Transexuals also arent transitioning to improve their opportunity to procreate.
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Miss Ann Thrope Registered: 03/26/12 Posts: 17,138 Loc: Lashed to the py |
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Quote: It is quite possible you yourself are a narcissist being that you are effectively taking the position that everyone who does not agree with your position is narcisstic in my mind, the likelihood of a confused and uninformed Shroomerite being the one who is narcisstic seems more likely than multiple teams of women all sharing the same personality disorder Quote: because of the controversy? should people avoid doing controversial things more generally or should just trans people specifically avoid active participation in life because of potential for controversy this doesn't sound mean, it just sounds minimizing personally do not even really care for sports and do not care enough about this issue to keep running in circles with you now that you have changed things from "women don't want trans women in sports" to "well if even one woman agrees with my opinion she is worth more than the democratic decision making of the league in question" Quote: Feminism includes transgenders, and frequently non-binary identifying individuals the only feminists who disagree with that position are the terfs who attack the feminists that support trans people Quote: Oh, so this is just another case of your anecdotes, then some people have lied to you, so the majority people are pathological liars Quote: Do not think anyone who legitimately supports the views of the LGBTQ+ community and its respect for interactions between consenting adults would also support the views of pedophiles exploiting children too young to consent it seems to me that pedophile supporters would more likely be people who dislike or are not actively part of the broader LGBTQ+ community since the views of the rights of the person fundamentally clash in such a way Quote: ![]() no it isn't my implication is the same as if someone mentioned how criminal their race was, so I said don't accuse the race of being criminal based on a minority of bad actors but with the bonus that the majority of LGBTQ+ individuals actively do not want pedophiles and pedophile supporters associated with us despite their continual efforts to claim their association Quote: there is no way for me to know this and the possibility of you being a pathological liar means there is prolly no reason for me to believe it ![]() Quote: Survival of the fittest means that communal animals fair better when some of the species do not reproduce and instead use that freedom to help with the upbringing of other members of the group species preservation is not about every possible pairing reproducing or, in other words, me becoming an invested aunt who periodically helps my cousin with his kids is more advantageous to the human species than me being a grumpy uncle using condoms and drifting from woman to woman in a dysphoric elegy for the life I should have had tho opted for vasectomy because of being aware of what that was before becoming aware of what transitioning was
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Registered: 04/10/14 Posts: 5,584 Loc: Mitten Last seen: 3 years, 7 months |
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I was saying under the condition everyone agreed, it would be wrong. They dont. Women dont uniformly support this.
I didnt change the argument. In reality many women object. How many women need to object for their opinion to be important? Id -assume-youd say their opinions arent, because transexuals are women. This isnt just a controvercy like bad opinions, its a physical reality. Something transexuals enjoy talking around. Woman shouldnt be in the military either outside certain positions. it destroys unit cohesion. They are physically weaker to an astonishing degree, even at their best. Also, democracy is overrated. Its a means to avoid bad decisions. When it doesnt do that, fuck it. Many people have lied. Not all lies are the same. Being exposed to it lets you understad it. Thats much more reasonable then the idea you have to be a lier to recognize them. I thik your assumption, as with most of your arguments about transexualism, is one that you want. It makes the lgbt+ look good and gives you another chance to assert Im a pedophile for pointing out the correlation of gays and kid fuckers. The analogy I gave was correct. I mentioned gays fuck kids at a high rate, you accused me of being a kid fucker for going there. Once again, im familiar withnhow people manipulate convorsations. Pedos want to be in the group because deviant sex leads people withnth predisposition toward it. Thats not how evidence works. All you doing is lieing. I mention I understand lieing, you call me a pathological lier. I use pedos in an analogy, you call me a pedo. You can assume whatever you want. Implying it as you did shows your character. Making it work is good. The fact youd be in a 'disphoric ellegy' is part of the narcessism. People arent always born how they want. Everyone that has lost something wonders about what could have been. I could take it back to sports. I watched about a trans high school runner. A normal person would see that they are fucking the other girls out of their prizes and high school experiance, but transexuals are almost all narcessists and seem incapable of looking at how they effect others or the problems they have. Its all about them. Its fucking gross. I dont think people should just assult transexuals, but Id certainly do so to this one. And the other trannies would act like it was because they were transexual, and not because they are a bad person using our cultures pathological acceptance to steal prizes from real women.
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Miss Ann Thrope Registered: 03/26/12 Posts: 17,138 Loc: Lashed to the py |
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Quote: Not all opinions on the matter are the same if you tell me that out of 15 women, 10 observers are against trans women participating while 5 players are for it the weight of the players is worth more because they are participating if the overwhelming majority of a league wants to allow trans women to participate then why can't anyone who wants to not participate against them find another league that excludes them am not of the opinion there should be laws with regards to sports, and am not saying that the Olympics has to accept trans women wrestlers on the global scale because an inter-city league in Canada does Quote: personally want no place in the military but have a female friend in the military who has done a lot of valuable work helping her province recover in disaster scenarios like flood and fire so respectfully disagree with your point -- toxic masculinity weakens unit cohesion when women are around it's hard to work well with your teammates when even one or two of them is cracking jokes about raping you behind your back and the rest are laughing Quote: This is a much more reasonable idea it is not at all the same thing as saying that most people are pathological liars and it is likely the type of behaviour a pathological liar would try and cover things up with and divert from the issue in such a manner ![]() Quote: Did not accuse you of being a kid fucker, this is you attempting to spin the discussion based on your perceptions and opinions Quote: of course you are, you are doing it right now Quote: Pedos want to be in the group solely because they want legal protections for their actions that is why so much of the LGBTQ+ community is against them and why your talk of not really being part of or liking the community for its values raises concerns for me when you also seek to correlate the groups Quote: You have not shown any evidence either you said most people are pathological liars because you've been lied to some times -- all my statement did was point out that a pathological liar would use arguments that others lie to excuse themselves and you got all defensive you tried to link pedos to the LGBTQ+ community in a manner similar to lying creeps who try to do so for personal gain -- my statement pointed out that your doing so and your frequency of turning LGBTQ+ discussions to raises questions about why you seek to connect the communities Quote: My character is that of someone who judges arguments on an individual basis and does not ascribe them to character traits even when being told on the forum that the other persons opinion dictates what my statements were that is fine with me have you taken a look at what character your posts have been showing? Quote: A person with a speech impediment takes lessons on how to speak properly a person with misgrown hand may have to use adaptive tools to make life manageable a person with dysphoria makes things work by transitioning -- the dysphoric elegy is the problem that medication and surgery help with at what point would you tell someone "well, things didn't work out your way, best just give up rather than deal with it" oh, right, at the point you found out they were trans ![]() Quote: cool story cis
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I care!! Registered: 06/14/09 Posts: 20,322 Loc: The land of plenty Last seen: 2 months, 5 days |
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Anyone wonder if Freddie Mercury was transgender but covered it up with a compromise and claimed to be homosexual? Back then homosexuality was somewhat controversial let alone transgender, so it's not too outlandish of a concept.
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