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Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! * 2
    #26624120 - 04/24/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

1,8g fresh which was one small whole mushroom and one cap. Brewed into tea, just water, and strained. I can totally feel the effects, and pupils dialated a bit. Same thing over a week ago with about the same dose fresh. So these are microdoses obviously and intentionally so, but quite strong for microdoses, like almost on the verge of a mild tripping dose. Anyone else get similar effects from fresh? I don't think my mushrooms are as strong dried, like I tried a week ago.


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26624147 - 04/24/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I like to eat em  raw and wrigggiling every now and then

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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26624402 - 04/24/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Threshold doses are a thing.


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: HamHead]
    #26624682 - 04/24/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I have been microdosing the past couple weeks, and .2g dried makes me feel funny, but not at all tripping.

so, for microdosing I find that I prefer the .1-.15g range.

But, yes, more to your question; fresh has always seemed qualitatively better than dried to me, full doses or micro doses.


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: Shr00mEater] * 1
    #26625117 - 04/24/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

fresh mushrooms are the shit! I always brew a big thing of tea from batches before drying them. That way I have both. But I always thank myself for having the option to drink "fresh" mushrooms tea that has been frozen for months.


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast] * 1
    #26625361 - 04/24/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Freezing tea brewed with fresh mushrooms??
Thanks. Great idea. Tub should be ready for more plucking in a couple days.
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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: LREAM] * 1
    #26625389 - 04/24/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Fresh is best IMO.


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: Smartattack]
    #26626018 - 04/25/20 01:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Faster come up, more intense ride and visuals, more transcendental, cleaner come down, overall amazing trip from fresh :awesome:


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26626489 - 04/25/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Genuine question.  From what I've read the drying process preserves the psilocybin but not psilocin.  Is this the main reason for fresh being better?

If so, wouldn't both the boiling of the tea and the freezing of the ice destroy any psilocin resulting in a psilocybin only trip?


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26626506 - 04/25/20 07:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think it's the exposure to air that degrades the psilocin.


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26626651 - 04/25/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah heat doesn’t affect psilocin;,not at boiling temperatures anyway :thumbup:


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26626658 - 04/25/20 09:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:mindblown:

I thought oxidation effected psilocybin too as well as psilocin, hence the need to dehydrate quickly and store in air tight containers.  I thought psilocybin could handle temperature and psilocin couldn't. 

So really they both can handle temps and everything else, the only difference is that psilocin is much more prone to degradation from oxidation compared to psilocybin?


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: InfiniteDreams] * 1
    #26626787 - 04/25/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah. If you check out the Shroomery’s Doseage calculator, given it is an approximation; the figures in there for loss during the drying process is given as 20% psilocybin loss and 50% psilocin loss. You can change the numbers and stuff in the calculator to get it to work better for your findings, but as a starting point, it’s pretty indicative. And it says on there somewhere, I’m sure I’ve read, is that’s why Psilocybe Semilanceata are such great candidates for drying; because they initially contain trace amounts of psilocin but huge amounts of psilocybin :thumbup:

Not sure what effect drying has on the other chemicals such as Baeocystin and Norbaeocystin, or indeed what effect they have on the trip experience; they certainly have some effect because the trip from liberty caps is so different yet the same to cubensis. If that makes sense?

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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26626926 - 04/25/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I sure do love this community, I’m learning stuff all the time!

Ed I finally tried some fresh maz and they are def more visual and ‘clean’ . I made tea with some lemon and honey.


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26626992 - 04/25/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah. If you check out the Shroomery’s Doseage calculator, given it is an approximation; the figures in there for loss during the drying process is given as 20% psilocybin loss and 50% psilocin loss. You can change the numbers and stuff in the calculator to get it to work better for your findings, but as a starting point, it’s pretty indicative. And it says on there somewhere, I’m sure I’ve read, is that’s why Psilocybe Semilanceata are such great candidates for drying; because they initially contain trace amounts of psilocin but huge amounts of psilocybin :thumbup:

Not sure what effect drying has on the other chemicals such as Baeocystin and Norbaeocystin, or indeed what effect they have on the trip experience; they certainly have some effect because the trip from liberty caps is so different yet the same to cubensis. If that makes sense?

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Gotcha, that is great information.  So many complexities.  Here's a bunch of random thoughts and memories.

I'd love to try liberty caps, but they seem to be more of a European thing. I don't think they grow where I am, not that I'd trust myself to identify them properly on a hunt without a guide. 

And I've never actually had fresh mushrooms.  I almost did back in '99, had them from PF tek and took freshies to a outdoor rave/festival.  I was saving them for day 2, when Rabbit in the Moon was headlining, but things went bad, and we never saw the second day.  The freshies did not keep obviously and were thrown out.

I've got Ecuadors and B+ coming up, but I just keep dehydrating them because I don't want to trip right now.  Mazatapec is in the works... 

Sounds like your tea approach is ideal for "preserving" fresh mushrooms without needing to trip right when you harvest.  Side thought, the freezing ice cube part isn't really needed then.  As long as you put the tea in an airtight container it would stay good and preserve potency for quite a while.


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26627073 - 04/25/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Just mild dosing .25-.5 on fresh is an excellent addition to your day. Doesn't have to be all or nothing.


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: Tankie_J]
    #26628678 - 04/26/20 02:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Nice. I tripped from fresh Mazatapec a couple of months ago, and it was clean, fast, very spiritual and transcendental. If I were to describe that trip with one word, it would be “heavenly”.

But that was a freak dose; the rest of that first flush,and the second flush too, were both really weak. I’m currently trying to see save the small part of the harvest I dried, by trying an alcohol extraction.

I’ve got a trip report to write up at some point; had a proper “bad trip” last night! Bad enough that I’m considering never taking mushrooms again. But that’s another story; got a few Mazatapec liquid cultures so I’m going to start a couple more Mazatapec grows - this strain is so gentle, yet rewarding, I don’t think I ever want to have a challenging trip again.....


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26628684 - 04/26/20 02:35 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey InfiniteDreams,

I used to think Liberty Caps were a European phenomenon, but apparently not, they’remworld-wide. And once you have picked one, you will thereafter always recognise them in the wild; can’t explain, but you just know.....

As to the freezing; yes. As long as you put in an airtight container, the “fresh tea” will store indefinitely. PrimalSoup asserts also that thawing (to take a dose) then re-freezing does nothing to degrade the potency. If anything, it just makes it taste worse, the more it is thawed and frozen.

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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: Smartattack]
    #26629029 - 04/26/20 07:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Fresh is best IMO.




Fresh is the full experience. Its just amazing and beautiful! If u can time your grows so u can take a fresh shroom trip, its sooo worth it. The difference is kinda like dabs compared to good bud. Quite signifigant.


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    #26629268 - 04/26/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Fresh is best IMO.




Fresh is the full experience. Its just amazing and beautiful! If u can time your grows so u can take a fresh shroom trip, its sooo worth it. The difference is kinda like dabs compared to good bud. Quite signifigant.





Just always be growing mushrooms, makes the timing work out every time.


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    #26629282 - 04/26/20 09:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Grows 24/7, 365 days a year, here we go :douchewink:


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26629288 - 04/26/20 09:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Is there a certain difference between fresh and frozen tea from fresh? that's gonna be my next move on preserving these fresh mushrooms :mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: LREAM]
    #26629300 - 04/26/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Freezing tea brewed with fresh mushrooms??
Thanks. Great idea. Tub should be ready for more plucking in a couple days.
Will be trying.



Yep! I always do this when I have new batches. Because fresh mushrooms will only stay good for so long.. and sometimes you don't have the time to set a few hours of (out of order) to take them lol. So I brew a tea with them fresh.. and stick that brew in a mason jar and freeze it!

Still has the same aspect as a freshly harvested mushroom tea! Then I dry the rest in my dehydrator! Fresh mushrooms just have a different headspace, for sure. I trip HARD when they're fresh - especially when taken in tea form.


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    #26629858 - 04/26/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Freezing tea brewed with fresh mushrooms??
Thanks. Great idea. Tub should be ready for more plucking in a couple days.
Will be trying.



Yep! I always do this when I have new batches. Because fresh mushrooms will only stay good for so long.. and sometimes you don't have the time to set a few hours of (out of order) to take them lol. So I brew a tea with them fresh.. and stick that brew in a mason jar and freeze it!

Still has the same aspect as a freshly harvested mushroom tea! Then I dry the rest in my dehydrator! Fresh mushrooms just have a different headspace, for sure. I trip HARD when they're fresh - especially when taken in tea form.




It's these little details that make it all come together.  Thanks for sharing.  I'm doing this with the next batch. 

So, since ice expands, how full do you fill the mason jar before freezing?


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26629913 - 04/26/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I was a little surprised by the mason jar myself. I just bought some plastic bottles meant for freezing liquids. You can fill them up to the brim. And what's even better I got 250ml sized ones just good for one dose.


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26631091 - 04/26/20 11:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You can boil it down much much more, dude. 20-30ml one dose :thumbup:

In fact if you’re using lemon juice as well, you don’t need to add any water; the water in the fresh mushrooms will leak and they’ll be]oil in their own liquid :thumbup:


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26631128 - 04/27/20 12:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

What about thawing and refreezing a larger bottle, is that okay? How do you make doses so small?


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26631164 - 04/27/20 01:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Is there a certain difference between fresh and frozen tea from fresh? that's gonna be my next move on preserving these fresh mushrooms :mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:




Not sure but would be an interesting direction for fresh shroom research. :strokebeard: :takingnotes:


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26631188 - 04/27/20 01:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

PrimalSoup asserts there is no impact on potency from thawing and re-freezing a larger bottle; the only thing that suffers is the taste, apparently.

If you make tea from say 500g of fresh mushrooms that are 90-95%bwater, that will leave approx 450ml tea, minus what evaporates. An ice cube is approx 20ml.


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26631191 - 04/27/20 01:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Is an icecube a good way to keep them? I guess why not since only the surface is exposed to air. Wouldn't want those get mixed up with ordinary cubes though :lol:


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    #26631197 - 04/27/20 02:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26631264 - 04/27/20 03:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Don't make regular tea ice cubes :awesome:

Or maybe add cool food coloring to the cubes. Blues Cubies! :wooyeah:


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    #26631275 - 04/27/20 03:27 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Actually it wouldnt be a problem anyways because I want to add ginger to the tea and it became a greenish color last time I brewed some. The taste was quite good and I figured the fresh ginger would be good for nausea too. Should I add vitamim c to the brew as well for antioxidation? Someone's recipe I think PrimalSoup's one called for citric acid to be added, but that doesn't help preserve the drink does it?


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26631282 - 04/27/20 03:36 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Not sure on preservation but yeah add Vit C. Definitely should help. I wonder if adding an antioxidant like grape juice would help....


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    #26631291 - 04/27/20 03:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Alrighty  :yougoodjob:


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    #26631856 - 04/27/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The citric acid is the scientific “lemon Tek”. In that you can get the exact ratio of citric acid to mushrooms to potentiate the strength by up to x2 :dancer:

It’s the same principle with lemon juice, though you don’t know how much citric is in it. So the saying is, put too much in rather than too little: the correct ratio and above will double the strength. Or so I’m told. I have noticed though when I make lemon tea and use a lot of juice rather than a soaking, the trip is way more intense.

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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26631899 - 04/27/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I just made tea with 143g fresh and citric acid aiming at 3g per PrimalSoup's advice (1:50) in a mushroom tea thread, but I didn't way it so I dunno, but I think it was on the safe side. I even did a 2nd extraction to test out if it holds any noticeable amount of actives.


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26632247 - 04/27/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The citric acid is the scientific “lemon Tek”. In that you can get the exact ratio of citric acid to mushrooms to potentiate the strength by up to x2 :dancer:

It’s the same principle with lemon juice, though you don’t know how much citric is in it. So the saying is, put too much in rather than too little: the correct ratio and above will double the strength. Or so I’m told. I have noticed though when I make lemon tea and use a lot of juice rather than a soaking, the trip is way more intense.

Good luck
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instructions unclear, ended up inoculating lemons with psilocybe spores.  Least I don’t have to wait for it to fruit...  :goodburger:


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Re: Fresh mushrooms are freakin strong! [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26634207 - 04/28/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Freezing tea brewed with fresh mushrooms??
Thanks. Great idea. Tub should be ready for more plucking in a couple days.
Will be trying.



Yep! I always do this when I have new batches. Because fresh mushrooms will only stay good for so long.. and sometimes you don't have the time to set a few hours of (out of order) to take them lol. So I brew a tea with them fresh.. and stick that brew in a mason jar and freeze it!

Still has the same aspect as a freshly harvested mushroom tea! Then I dry the rest in my dehydrator! Fresh mushrooms just have a different headspace, for sure. I trip HARD when they're fresh - especially when taken in tea form.




It's these little details that make it all come together.  Thanks for sharing.  I'm doing this with the next batch. 

So, since ice expands, how full do you fill the mason jar before freezing?



I actually made this mistake my first time doing this. Wasn't even thinking of that haha. But 3/4ths full or a tad bit over that seems to be completely fine!!!


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