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    #26624033 - 04/24/20 07:04 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

there is endless improving of action possible through saying to oneself I will not do something negative


when the programming reaches the whole self the understanding that any good doing and improvement in action can be achieved by

not doing something negative

for example not smoking cigarettes

things necessary to bring healthy

you have to say to yourself I will not do it

and keep score

maybe you will not be able to weed out all the shit in an instant

but keep thinking like this

and take it one step at a time

it's your life

you can't redo it

it happens infinitely many time and make it so you want to revisit it

drawing etc. instead of watching tv

like this

like some territory is not highly valued


do one improvement like this every day

like a pushup

identify the fields

maybe figure out how it should be ideally

then stay with yourself and your schedule

good year


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26624041 - 04/24/20 07:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The followers of Jainism believe pest control is negative. Does that mean you will no longer kill bugs of any sort?


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26624513 - 04/24/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

only if you go jain on us.

but if you do, then practice makes perfect


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26624596 - 04/24/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Perhaps progressive types lean towards Jainism by depending on professional exterminators; ergo progressive types are not out-doorsy people.


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26624708 - 04/24/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

cockroaches are people too
exterminators are criminal


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26624748 - 04/24/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Jane (Jain) adores Tar(black)ZA (last will be first)N


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26624854 - 04/24/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Nazrat  seroda  Enaj  ?

Or / Ro?

Ja’ knee  doors  tars, man...?


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26624978 - 04/24/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The prospect of anyone being a Jainist at heart might include their adoration of muscle-bound bad boys as a corollary proposition, in that a Jainist might cultivate a bad boy to suit Jainist purposes.


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26625240 - 04/24/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I might be a jain, I only eat dead animals that have already been killed.
They are pretty tasty. most parts of them, not the hair or feathers or shells or claws.


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26629195 - 04/26/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Ferdinando said:

there is endless improving of action possible through saying to oneself I will not do something negative

when the programming reaches the whole self the understanding that any good doing and improvement in action can be achieved by

not doing something negative

for example not smoking cigarettes

things necessary to bring healthy

you have to say to yourself I will not do it . . .




Restraint is an idea that's rarely discussed!

It's interesting how we often talk about restraint (= lack of action) as being so incredibly difficult. Climbing Mount Everest, getting a Law degree, and planning a mission to Mars is difficult. In a very different way than a lack of action, such as choosing to not smoke or not overeat or not getting drunk every night. I think with the right perspective, restraint (lack of action) is fairly easy and requires no real effort. If we have to "fight" a battle within ourselves, in order to not engage in harmful behavior, something is very very wrong.


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26631144 - 04/27/20 12:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Buster_Brown said:
Perhaps progressive types lean towards Jainism by depending on professional exterminators; ergo progressive types are not out-doorsy people.




I quite like the majority of these ideals :wink:
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The main religious premises of Jainism are ahiṃsā(non-violence), anekāntavāda (many-sidedness), aparigraha (non-attachment) and asceticism. Devout Jains take four main vows: ahiṃsā (non-violence), satya (truth), asteya (not stealing), nd aparigraha (non-possessiveness)




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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: sudly]
    #26631475 - 04/27/20 06:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I feel a bit possessive about my pants and jackets and shirts and shoes and socks and a couple of devices...
otherwise I could be a jain


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #26631594 - 04/27/20 07:47 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i have started doing less substances like buster brown

it's really nice

I'm really happy about it

drugs worked in moderation but it has to be very low amount to be good


that's the biggest problem, that it increases because of desire and ego

and habit

it ruins one's health, be healthy, as healthy as possible


two stragedies, increasing work time with fields and laying in flowers every season

they have to stay

if you care about it etc. and lay in the flowers every ... (?)

you know starting to draw more things like that

making music is great

practice makes perfect

the more one does it the better one gets and the better it gets

not doing drugs and making art working good work is also good little things adding up

it is about perfecting one's life with it

zen

buddha

caring about it


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26631760 - 04/27/20 09:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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laying in flowers




Yes, yes! RGV reminds me of Wisteria, clingy and brilliant, & Sudly resembles buttercups reflecting the sun, and Laughingdog a crimson clover, packed with nitrogen; I heartily agree that you could benefit by laying in the flowers at every opportunity.


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26631787 - 04/27/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

cool


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26631800 - 04/27/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

OrgoneConclusion


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26633438 - 04/28/20 02:05 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Whose pride of madeira?

BB, the Creeping Lantana                                   


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26633568 - 04/28/20 04:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The practice of virtues is a funny one I think. It's not an easy question to answer how seriously virtue should be taken. And then there's the problem about what value does it have if I am just practicing virtues out of greed and lust for god, permanence, pleasure. I was just listening to David Foster Wallace's essay about the ethics behind broiling lobsters the other day, I though it was excellent, definitely food for thought.

I am also reminded of david hockney, he was a great lover of smoking. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7984039/Art-icon-David-Hockney-82-says-smoking-act-defiance.html

So for that matter was Blaise Cendrars and I'm sure a great many others who were full with "le joie de vivre".

Personally I puff my vape all day and I like the odd cigarette once in a while, especially when I'm out and about. I think tobacco has opened up some great conversations and times to me that otherwise might have not been. It's good to relax and generally nobody dies a dignified death anyway, some nasty shits probably gonna get you in the end, tis the way of things. I dislike alcohol more, it makes you real stupid if you overdo it, I'll take a good mg of clonezapam and a few cigarettes over that any day.


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: sudly]
    #26633581 - 04/28/20 04:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

sudly said:
Whose pride of madeira?




Echium candicans? Ah, that must be Asante.


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26633591 - 04/28/20 04:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'd like to be an Echinacea please. Or a nice patch of Comfrey. Probably the Comfrey, they look like chillsome little fellas.


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26633607 - 04/28/20 05:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

On the topic of Virtue, I was prompted to read the Unabomber Manifesto while perusing Hartford's book How to Teach Disciples where Kaczynski acted on the principle that killing people was a virtue.


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26633612 - 04/28/20 05:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

A few people have suggested that I read that but I'm always pretty retiscent about the idea of even beginning to consider killing as some kind of virtue. Probably I should quit being a pussy and read it.


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26633621 - 04/28/20 05:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You'll not regret it:

83. Some people partly satisfy their need for power by identifying themselves with a powerful organization or mass movement. An individual lacking goals or power joins a movement or an organization, adopts its goals as his own, then works toward those goals. When some of the goals are attained, the individual, even though his personal efforts have played only an insignificant part in the attainment of the goals, feels (through his identif ication with the movement or organization) as if he had gone through the power process. This phenomenon was exploited by the fascists, nazis and communists. Our society uses it too, though less crudely. Example: Manuel Noriega was an irritant to the U.S. (goal: punish Noriega). The U.S. invaded Panama (effort) and punished Noriega (attainment of goal). Thus the U.S. went through the power process and many Americans, because of their identification with the U.S., experienced the power process vicariously. Hence the widespread public approval of the Panama invasion; it gave people a sense of power. [15] We see the same phenomenon in armies, corporations, political parties, humanitarian organizations, religious or ideological movements. In particular, leftist movements tend to attract people who are seeking to satisfy their need for power. But for most people identification with a large organization or a mass movement does not fully satisfy the need for power.


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26633671 - 04/28/20 06:27 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I did like the power of a 93 Cadillac STS, now I would be happy with a shot of vaccine, just keep dem terrorists, fascists and socialists away from me.


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26634034 - 04/28/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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for most people identification with a large organization or a mass movement does not fully satisfy the need for power.






I'd say that identification with a football, hockey or basketball team does indeed provide a medium by which 'most' people identify with the 'power process'.


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26635657 - 04/28/20 11:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think it's just a laugh. Something to talk about with your mates. Cool to see how good people get at things when they really dedicate themselves to it, and a bit of fun to support a team and identify with them, so you feel their losses and wins. Provides a kind of connection ya know.

I was never really deep into sports but I do like to follow the eSports a bit. And I like it when the world cup is on cause everyone gets into it in the country, it's exciting, fun, and again a bit of a countrywide connection. Some folks definitely take it way too serious though. Not very sporting of those chaps and chapesses. But I love the chants and general cheeriness "Football's coming home! It's coming..." :grin: and so on.


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26635872 - 04/29/20 02:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I guess Kaczynski had to leave out the association with sports or he would have alienated his target audience.


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26635910 - 04/29/20 03:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I don't know enough about it, I'll have to read it I guess if I can find some time to get around to it.


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Re: doing as good as possible [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26648358 - 05/04/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Some people partly satisfy their need for power by identifying themselves with a powerful organization or mass movement.




Unfortunately, many people identify more with a religion or political party, or their skin color or sexual orientation - than being human. Every label we adopt takes us further away from embracing humanity as a whole.


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