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The story of Jack, and how he died of the coronavirus * 1
    #26622971 - 04/23/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The following story is based on true events but is dramatized for effect. Knowledge of these events was attained by personal and not professional relation.

Jack is a 61 year old man living alone in Arkansas. He has strong conservative values and his personal beliefs are important to him. Some of these beliefs cost him his life.

Jack hears that COVID19 mostly kills people with comorbidities, and breathes a sigh of relief, because he believes he doesn't have any. He is wrong. 3 years ago- the last time Jack saw the doctor for a physical- the doctor told him that he was prehypertensive, had prediabetes, and could benefit from losing 30lbs. Jack chuckled to himself inside: "Everyone my age is like that"- and filed the information away for future reassessment. In the 3 years since, Jack's prehypertension has progressed to stage I hypertension, and his prediabetes has progressed to type II diabetes- he doesn't know it, though, because he hasn't been hospitalized for it (yet).

Clutching his memories of having beat the flu the previous year, he decides to go to church, believing that God would never punish a believer for practicing his faith.

7 days later, he began feeling short of breath, and achey. He didn't have a high fever, but he went to the hospital anyway, just to be safe. He was tested for COVID19, given medication for his breathing, and told to return home and quarantine to await his test results.

The following day, he received them: COVID19 positive. "Come to the hospital if you feel that you need treatment." That's what he was told.

Jack believed that he didn't need treatment. That was arguably the last wrong belief he ever had. He died the following morning of a heart attack caused by COVID19.


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Re: The story of Jack, and how he died of the coronavirus [Re: morrowasted]
    #26622979 - 04/23/20 05:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The current climate is essentially perfect for a virus like this. Distrust of experts is at an all time high and people let feelings get in the way of the facts of the situation.


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Re: The story of Jack, and how he died of the coronavirus [Re: morrowasted]
    #26622997 - 04/23/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you for this realistic scenario.

I Hope, not a stubborn relative or friend of yours :hug:


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Re: The story of Jack, and how he died of the coronavirus [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26623000 - 04/23/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

So true Thanatos.

It’s shame to hear about Jack going out that way. May he Rest In Peace.

This country is beginning to feel like a bad B rate horror movie.


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Re: The story of Jack, and how he died of the coronavirus [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26623005 - 04/23/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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So true Thanatos.

It’s shame to hear about Jack going out that way. May he Rest In Peace.

This country is beginning to feel like a bad B rate horror movie.




Beginning to? I thought we were already there.


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Re: The story of Jack, and how he died of the coronavirus [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26623019 - 04/23/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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This country is beginning to feel like a bad B rate horror movie.





As I just related in a Dutch topic:

My aunt died of COVID-19. Couldnt attend the service. I broke a bone in my hand, I negotiated with the doctor to heal it naturally since it was still aligned (with risk of surgery after the pandemic) rather than go to the hospital for an X-ray and a cast -- since I got serious comorbidities and the hospital is a war zone.

Relative died of infectious disease , couldnt attend cremation, broke a bone, had to ride it out at home because the hospital is an abyss of infection..

Doesn't that sound like some kind of story a refugee would tell?

That's my home country right now :makesmecry:


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Re: The story of Jack, and how he died of the coronavirus [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26623024 - 04/23/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I should have specified.

Specifically it’s now like a pandemic horror movie.... like in the films when people don’t believe the government, or the crazy scientist who’s earning people how some great danger is on the horizon but he’s the only one who knows... in those B movies and Hollywood movies, and the townsfolk all think it’s a spoof, and then you see them start to die from making highly questionable day to day decisions that they wouldn’t be doing if they actually noticed what the audience noticed - that the virus is Real and it’s raping and pillaging them.



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Basically like the movie Outbreak or Contagion.  Go watch them.


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Re: The story of Jack, and how he died of the coronavirus [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26623035 - 04/23/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I should have specified.

Specifically it’s now like a pandemic horror movie.... like in the films when people don’t believe the government, or the crazy scientist who’s earning people how some great danger is on the horizon but he’s the only one who knows... in those B movies and Hollywood movies, and the townsfolk all think it’s a spoof, and then you see them start to die from making highly questionable day to day decisions that they wouldn’t be doing if they actually noticed what the audience noticed - that the virus is Real and it’s raping and pillaging them.



...

Basically like the movie Outbreak or Contagion.  Go watch them.




I saw Contagion and it was creepy how similar it is to our current reality. Shows us how humans aren't really rational creatures.


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Re: The story of Jack, and how he died of the coronavirus [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26623159 - 04/23/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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So true Thanatos.

It’s shame to hear about Jack going out that way. May he Rest In Peace.

This country is beginning to feel like a bad B rate horror movie.




Beginning to? I thought we were already there.




Right? I used to watch movies and say shit like "Oh come on, they would never let it get that bad" or "This is dumb, they would never do that in real life".

Well...here we are :lol:. The scientist ran into the room waving his alarming findings, and the guy in charge went "Its just a flu lol".

Cant wait to see the next season of South Park. Its gonna be good lmao

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The current climate is essentially perfect for a virus like this. Distrust of experts is at an all time high and people let feelings get in the way of the facts of the situation.




Thats the problem. The culture of social media has made everyone an expert. Thats what happens when Facebook and Twitter make everyone feel like their opinion should carry weight and this whole super PC culture has everyone feeling their emotions and feelings are valid and should be respected. Stupidity runs rampant. People who 200 years ago would have been the village idiot getting rotten vegetables thrown at them in the street, suddenly have a voice and an audience to spread their stupid beliefs. We live in a world where your credentials are how many followers and likes you get, instead of your actual accomplishments and intellect.


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Re: The story of Jack, and how he died of the coronavirus [Re: morrowasted]
    #26623169 - 04/23/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The following story is based on true events but is dramatized for effect. Knowledge of these events was attained by personal and not professional relation.

Jack is a 61 year old man living alone in Arkansas. He has strong conservative values and his personal beliefs are important to him. Some of these beliefs cost him his life.

Jack hears that COVID19 mostly kills people with comorbidities, and breathes a sigh of relief, because he believes he doesn't have any. He is wrong. 3 years ago- the last time Jack saw the doctor for a physical- the doctor told him that he was prehypertensive, had prediabetes, and could benefit from losing 30lbs. Jack chuckled to himself inside: "Everyone my age is like that"- and filed the information away for future reassessment. In the 3 years since, Jack's prehypertension has progressed to stage I hypertension, and his prediabetes has progressed to type II diabetes- he doesn't know it, though, because he hasn't been hospitalized for it (yet).

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Yes americans are really ignorant of how health problems work.

If you haven't been diagnosed you don't have a health problem :derp:


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Re: The story of Jack, and how he died of the coronavirus [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26623175 - 04/23/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I think it's more a problem of the internet in general. Before you could have people be shut down for crazy ideas.

Now with the internet every idea is "information" and people can gather around in echo chambers and feed off each other. It's not the spread of information, it's more like tribalism to the nth degree.

Got a theory that was rejected? Are you racist and homophobic? Find an audience to valid your views anywhere on the web instead of having to admit that maybe you are in the wrong.

Jesus....


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Re: The story of Jack, and how he died of the coronavirus [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26623274 - 04/23/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I should have specified.

Specifically it’s now like a pandemic horror movie.... like in the films when people don’t believe the government, or the crazy scientist who’s earning people how some great danger is on the horizon but he’s the only one who knows... in those B movies and Hollywood movies, and the townsfolk all think it’s a spoof, and then you see them start to die from making highly questionable day to day decisions that they wouldn’t be doing if they actually noticed what the audience noticed - that the virus is Real and it’s raping and pillaging them.



..

Basically like the movie Outbreak or Contagion.  Go watch them.




I saw Contagion and it was creepy how similar it is to our current reality. Shows us how humans aren't really rational creatures.




I’ve found rationality, in large part, to be a trait or skill that needs to be cultivated in order for it to be demonstrated/expressed in ones thoughts, words, and even actions.  Lest it blunt and diminish, or worse - be lost and forgotten.  Practice it daily - use it or lose it.


Hypothesis time:  !!

* If the economy reopens before a reliable, effective, and safe vaccine is available for mass distribution, I imagine it being done by following a tiered system of gradual opening in select areas of the country.

The question is - when this happens will we see a spike in cases in such a way so as to gain a momentum of its own, meaning the reopening would end up a failure? - or - will it succeed and cascade the country into an eventual return to normalcy, in terms of the economic sector being up and running again - and without substantially increasing cases of infected people.

With the chaos that’s occurring in various areas of the country (USA), my concern is in regards to a potential false start that gives a false impression that things were never really that bad, or - that now things are “fine” . 

Basically allowing a few weeks time for a host of asymptotic vectors to galavant unencumbered throughout reopened cities spreading the virus silently during that time - after which many more will have succumbed to the disease, and infrastructural support systems will be stressed even more once again.  Making the attempt more damaging than helpful in the long run.

I think this is a genuine probability and would like to hear from some of you about it, especially because the schism dividing the nation into “hoax” / “not as bad as the authorities are making it seem” / “ who cares if the sick, old, and vulnerable to the virus die anyways” groups

          Vs,

Those that land on the opposite side of the spectrum.  Because the former threaten to derail much of , if not all, of the efforts of the latter group.


Thoughts?    🤔 :chilldog:


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Re: The story of Jack, and how he died of the coronavirus [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26623302 - 04/23/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Now more than ever is time for people to get weight under control. It is the number 1 complication for covid and contributor to chronic aligments.

My child had a former healthcare coworker in his 30s pass from covid, he was morbidly obese.


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Re: The story of Jack, and how he died of the coronavirus [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26623323 - 04/23/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I think the current pressure to reopen is from not only companies feeling the squeeze but from the masses that you find blockading restaurants or burning down cell towers. The people are restless and in the "land of the free" they don't want to feel encumbered, even by very real threats.

I think our culture is to blame, the emphasis on freedom means that any infringement upon it is met with hostility. Even when sacrifice will yield results. Italy had a full lockdown and so did China but now because of that they can slowly recover. America on the other hand has "won" in the number of cases so far and can't seem to agree on a solution because we put politicians in charge of public safety instead of experts who know what they are talking about.

I would support reopening if we had implemented some form of drastic control like the other countries (the one time totalitarianism is useful), but with the rather LUKEWARM response to this on  top of a president who believes his friends and the media more than doctors and health workers, we are just inviting another disaster.

The land of the free truly doesn't grasp the price of freedom and the sacrifice required to maintain it. No sense of solidarity.

Even in my city people are out on bikes and shit, sigh.


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Re: The story of Jack, and how he died of the coronavirus [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26623324 - 04/23/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

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I should have specified.

Specifically it’s now like a pandemic horror movie.... like in the films when people don’t believe the government, or the crazy scientist who’s earning people how some great danger is on the horizon but he’s the only one who knows... in those B movies and Hollywood movies, and the townsfolk all think it’s a spoof, and then you see them start to die from making highly questionable day to day decisions that they wouldn’t be doing if they actually noticed what the audience noticed - that the virus is Real and it’s raping and pillaging them.



...

Basically like the movie Outbreak or Contagion.  Go watch them.




I saw Contagion and it was creepy how similar it is to our current reality. Shows us how humans aren't really rational creatures.




Really? When a large percentage of its population still believe in various forms of sky fairy?


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Re: The story of Jack, and how he died of the coronavirus [Re: deucedbi9]
    #26623334 - 04/23/20 08:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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deucedbi9 said:
Quote:

Thanatos10 said:
Quote:

The Blind Ass said:
I should have specified.

Specifically it’s now like a pandemic horror movie.... like in the films when people don’t believe the government, or the crazy scientist who’s earning people how some great danger is on the horizon but he’s the only one who knows... in those B movies and Hollywood movies, and the townsfolk all think it’s a spoof, and then you see them start to die from making highly questionable day to day decisions that they wouldn’t be doing if they actually noticed what the audience noticed - that the virus is Real and it’s raping and pillaging them.



...

Basically like the movie Outbreak or Contagion.  Go watch them.




I saw Contagion and it was creepy how similar it is to our current reality. Shows us how humans aren't really rational creatures.




Really? When a large percentage of its population still believe in various forms of sky fairy?



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deucedbi9 said:
Quote:

Thanatos10 said:
Quote:

The Blind Ass said:
I should have specified.

Specifically it’s now like a pandemic horror movie.... like in the films when people don’t believe the government, or the crazy scientist who’s earning people how some great danger is on the horizon but he’s the only one who knows... in those B movies and Hollywood movies, and the townsfolk all think it’s a spoof, and then you see them start to die from making highly questionable day to day decisions that they wouldn’t be doing if they actually noticed what the audience noticed - that the virus is Real and it’s raping and pillaging them.



...

Basically like the movie Outbreak or Contagion.  Go watch them.




I saw Contagion and it was creepy how similar it is to our current reality. Shows us how humans aren't really rational creatures.




Really? When a large percentage of its population still believe in various forms of sky fairy?




I blame the internet. Why question your viewpoints when you can validate them.


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Re: The story of Jack, and how he died of the coronavirus [Re: deucedbi9]
    #26623341 - 04/23/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

IDK I think trump might just wanna reopen shit cuz he doesnt wanna do any more bailouts


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Re: The story of Jack, and how he died of the coronavirus [Re: morrowasted]
    #26623364 - 04/23/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don’t want to believe that, just because it’s so... :shrug:  :crazy2:  :eek:  :rolleyes:  :sad:

But deep down, I know that it’s potentially probable.

Sometimes I think horrible shit like maybe some ipower actors in sectors of the gov. May be analyzing how much they will save on Social Securities and other related things if they allow the virus to just burn through the country,  I’m sure some have already done it for a theoretical count.

But at the same time, reopening the country when there’s no real solid plan or cooperation between the Feds and the States is very scary.

Paranoia is not always unfounded.

Like ...holy shit, I’m listening to the latest task force briefing, and the way Trump talks about solutions for the virus in terms of medical  theory right off the cuff with no filter drops my jaw.  It’s looking more and more like he’s relying upon the schema he used when he was an actor on that show the Apprentice.  Like that’s how he’s dealing with this pandemic national emergency, which all things considered is actually not the worst idea - to seek the best and highest talents to deal with the problems that are occurring..but just the way he does it is what’s off putting.

Rhetoric man... even if it’s fake... high    R h e t o r i c.  Pleassse,p .


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Re: The story of Jack, and how he died of the coronavirus [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26623381 - 04/23/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I don’t want to believe that, just because it’s so... :shrug:  :crazy2:  :eek:

But deep down, I know that it’s potentially probable.

Sometimes I think horrible shit like maybe some ipower actors in sectors of the gov. May be analyzing how much they will save on Social Securities and other related things if they allow the virus to just burn through the country,  I’m sure some have already done it for a theoretical count.

But at the same time, reopening the country when there’s no real solid plan or cooperation between the Feds and the States is very scary.

Paranoia is not always unfounded.




Paranoia is by definition unfounded.

It becomes plain old fear when the threat is real. I was in New York and the difference between there and Florida is night and day.


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Re: The story of Jack, and how he died of the coronavirus [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26623387 - 04/23/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I Suppose so.


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