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The Midnight Gospel Discussion 5
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“From the creators of Adventure Time, comes...”
Does anyone really need to hear more?
It’s the most psychedelic-looking piece of TV I’ve ever seen. Trippy imagery, deep theological discussion, timeless themes - what more can you ask for from a cartoon?
If you haven’t seen it, go do that. It’s on Netflix. If you have, I wanna know what you think.
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#26622155 - 04/23/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Actual promotional art - not that one new blotter print
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I loved it. It was really relaxing and educating. The conversation they have are interesting! Great cartoon
For those who don't know, it is a cartoon about a philosophical space podcast that an earthling on an alien planet has by interviewing beings in his interdimensional VR simulator
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: feldman114]
#26622184 - 04/23/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't have Netflix or any streaming service... Any other way i can be included? I am very open to piracy jfy...
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: RebeccaBlack]
#26622299 - 04/23/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've been digging it, especially the magick episode.
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I don’t know, the conversations were pretty dry to me. Maybe it was the podcast style conversation that was being had.
But in terms of the content I didn’t like how it was spoken as though it were so instead of appearing to be so. I mean much of what they talk about has been explained via neuroscience today.
That and the subject seems a little nihilistic.
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Hella pop ups, but you get to the actual video eventually lol
Edit: just realized this isn’t reddit lol. Here ya go https://www1.swatchseries.to/episode/the_midnight_gospel_s1_e1.html
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: Thanatos10]
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Thanatos10 said: I don’t know, the conversations were pretty dry to me. Maybe it was the podcast style conversation that was being had.
But in terms of the content I didn’t like how it was spoken as though it were so instead of appearing to be so. I mean much of what they talk about has been explained via neuroscience today.
That and the subject seems a little nihilistic.
To you, my critical friend, I recommend Waco. It’s about a guy who shares your theological conviction that sex must be eliminated from our lives if we are to know enlightenment. Spoiler alert: He was the “Waco”
Shade thrown. Now, I AM interested in what you mean by “how it was spoken as though it were so”. Can you elaborate?
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: feldman114]
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Thanatos10 said: I don’t know, the conversations were pretty dry to me. Maybe it was the podcast style conversation that was being had.
But in terms of the content I didn’t like how it was spoken as though it were so instead of appearing to be so. I mean much of what they talk about has been explained via neuroscience today.
That and the subject seems a little nihilistic.
To you, my critical friend, I recommend Waco. It’s about a guy who shares your theological conviction that sex must be eliminated from our lives if we are to know enlightenment. Spoiler alert: He was the “Waco”
Shade thrown. Now, I AM interested in what you mean by “how it was spoken as though it were so”. Can you elaborate?
Well they talked about these topics as though it was the obvious conclusion to reach rather than just a point of view.
Personally I found the show a bit depressing and nihilistic, especially the last episode.
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: Thanatos10]
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Idk, nihilistic is a rejection of all theologies (right?)
To me, the show doesn’t seem to reject anything. I guess there’s a theme of “all we have is our interactions (human connection)” that can easily translate to “we have nothing because we’re just mammals with an elaborate mating ritual (intelligence)”. But...I mean...it’s all about perspective. Kinda like a psychedelic trip.
This makes me think of my last trip. Shit got dark, I was basically stuck in a loop of “I’m just a meat bag, once my meat goes bad I’ll seize to exist; even if one of the religions is right, there’s no way I’ll retain my personality/memories/ego, so it’s as good as nothingness” I tried pulling myself out of it with shit like “there’s still time, they’ll invent the cure for death or upload your mind somewhere, etc.” Only made it worse. BUT, as many people here can predict, once I let go and accepted that I’m just a meatbag who will soon die, it was over. I’ve been on this overcoming-fear-of-death roller coaster before, but got something new out of it this time. The realization came over me like a wave, made me physically gasp in an empty room at 3am lol. Anyway, the mushies made me think about human connection. They turned my original premise on me - I said “we have nothing but human connection”, but the truth is “there is nothing BUT human connection because IT is everything.” It’s way more profound with 5g of PE in the tank, I promise. Still, there’s something to it. Think about it - nothing you do matters until someone else knows about it. Arguably, nothing you do is even real unless witnessed (it a bear farts in the woods and there’s no one there to hear it...).
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: feldman114]
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Turned it off after 10 minutes 
Also dont like the grainy animations
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: feldman114]
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To me, the show doesn’t seem to reject anything. I guess there’s a theme of “all we have is our interactions (human connection)” that can easily translate to “we have nothing because we’re just mammals with an elaborate mating ritual (intelligence)”. But...I mean...it’s all about perspective. Kinda like a psychedelic trip.
This makes me think of my last trip. Shit got dark, I was basically stuck in a loop of “I’m just a meat bag, once my meat goes bad I’ll seize to exist; even if one of the religions is right, there’s no way I’ll retain my personality/memories/ego, so it’s as good as nothingness” I tried pulling myself out of it with shit like “there’s still time, they’ll invent the cure for death or upload your mind somewhere, etc.” Only made it worse. BUT, as many people here can predict, once I let go and accepted that I’m just a meatbag who will soon die, it was over. I’ve been on this overcoming-fear-of-death roller coaster before, but got something new out of it this time. The realization came over me like a wave, made me physically gasp in an empty room at 3am lol. Anyway, the mushies made me think about human connection. They turned my original premise on me - I said “we have nothing but human connection”, but the truth is “there is nothing BUT human connection because IT is everything.” It’s way more profound with 5g of PE in the tank, I promise. Still, there’s something to it. Think about it - nothing you do matters until someone else knows about it. Arguably, nothing you do is even real unless witnessed (it a bear farts in the woods and there’s no one there to hear it...).
I mean that trip isn’t special, it’s pretty much what the existential philosophers have been arguing against and with for a few decades.
Also human connection is not everything, that’s a very anthro centric view of reality. We have more than human connection, and someone doesn’t have to know about it for what you do to matter. Maybe lay off the drugs awhile.
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: Thanatos10]
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Ahaha did you get hung up on the part where I mentioned the cult that preaches your worldview? Cmon dude, learn to take a joke, especially if you want to go around telling people to “lay off the drugs” lol.
Anyway, it’s only your opinion that something else exists. Hence, “if a tree falls in the woods...” You can’t prove that anything matters or that anything exists, except your own self. But that’s kinda the basis of philosophy, so I’m sure you knew it. I thought we could have a discussion, but that’s not possible if you’re butthurt.
Anyway, I stopped after 2 episodes so I can save some mind-blowers for my next trip. I think the visual overload might be too much though...at least for the peak.
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: feldman114]
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feldman114 said: Ahaha did you get hung up on the part where I mentioned the cult that preaches your worldview? Cmon dude, learn to take a joke, especially if you want to go around telling people to “lay off the drugs” lol.
Anyway, it’s only your opinion that something else exists. Hence, “if a tree falls in the woods...” You can’t prove that anything matters or that anything exists, except your own self. But that’s kinda the basis of philosophy, so I’m sure you knew it. I thought we could have a discussion, but that’s not possible if you’re butthurt.
Anyway, I stopped after 2 episodes so I can save some mind-blowers for my next trip. I think the visual overload might be too much though...at least for the peak.
It’s not really an opinion but more of a fact. I mean if you didn’t exist then you wouldn’t be typing on here. Philosophy doesn’t deal with certainty but rather with degrees of it. There’s a difference. NOTHING can be known with 100% certainty but that’s not the goal. We go by degrees of confidence.
If you want 100% certainty then you’ll be stuck forever.
But it’s true that human connection isn’t all we have. Things matter even if no one knows, human history is full of nameless and unknown folks who don’t get credit but still make an impact. Like the wind they are unseen but their impact is known.
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: Thanatos10]
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Science is actually a perfect example to be honest.
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: Thanatos10]
#26622733 - 04/23/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ooooh buddy
Ooooooooh do I have news for you.
Ya see, with all your SAT vocab words and advanced terminology, I assumed you were a student of philosophy. Since that’s clearly not the case, I get to blow your mind

The short version is “I think, therefore I am.” I’m sure you’ve heard this?
The only thing we know for sure is that we exist. This is 100% certain. Everything else has 0 basis in logic, because all other info depends on sensory input. We could all be brains in jars connected to a simulation.
Desecrates used the example of candle wax - it seems solid, then liquid, so you can’t trust your senses. But even my phyl101 professor mentioned psychedelics when discussing this. So, maybe lay ON the drugs;) The only thing I know for sure is that I exist, my dear figment of imagination
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: feldman114]
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Desecrates?
You might need to take that course again
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: feldman114]
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Ooooooooh do I have news for you.
Ya see, with all your SAT vocab words and advanced terminology, I assumed you were a student of philosophy. Since that’s clearly not the case, I get to blow your mind

The short version is “I think, therefore I am.” I’m sure you’ve heard this?
The only thing we know for sure is that we exist. This is 100% certain. Everything else has 0 basis in logic, because all other info depends on sensory input. We could all be brains in jars connected to a simulation.
Desecrates used the example of candle wax - it seems solid, then liquid, so you can’t trust your senses. But even my phyl101 professor mentioned psychedelics when discussing this. So, maybe lay ON the drugs;) The only thing I know for sure is that I exist, my dear figment of imagination 
Yawn, you mention the oldest argument in the book. Candle wax isn’t a good example because we knew that heat melts it, this isn’t a distrust of the senses but rather just simple note of its properties.
Our senses aren’t perfect but they are reliable enough to navigate the world and enable us to function and understand things. The existence of an external world isn’t 0% logic and one can reason that if I exist then how did I get here. Also an external reality explains a lot more than “everything is a figment” which has too many holes to be plausible. Actually even your existence can be held in doubt as well as thinking so Descartes was wrong about that as well.
Granted these are a matter or “more” and “less” right. Science doesn’t claim 100% certainty and neither does philosophy, but there are degrees of it. The brain in a vat isn’t worth my time because you can’t know so why bother?
It’s why I said that certainty is for idiots and that if you want it 100% you’ll end up nowhere.
Honestly? That dead horse is your counterpoint? Until something like Morpheus shows up telling me this isn’t real I have no reason to treat it as fiction. Even then it would only guarantee that said reality is fiction but not the one I entered from it.
Essentially the issue is turtles all the way down.
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: Thanatos10]
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There is a reason science has evidence and not proof.
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You said “nothing is 100% certain”. I clearly showed why you’re wrong. But, ok, yawn away. All your “evidence” is based on sensory input. Not based in logic.
“Brain in a vat isn’t worth my time” Well, if one of the most established philosophical concepts - developed by history’s first philosopher and undisputed to this day - is beneath you, I don’t know why you engaged me in this philosophical discussion.
My point was never that we’re in a simulation. Try reading instead of raging. I clearly evoked that example to demonstrate a simple point - “I think, therefore I am” is the only thing that can be proven beyond all doubt.
“...I have no reason to treat life as fiction...” Idk who told you to treat life one way or another, but it wasn’t me. I simply said there is such a thing as certainty, and proved it.
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Desecrates?
You might need to take that course again 
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: feldman114]
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feldman114 said: You said “nothing is 100% certain”. I clearly showed why you’re wrong. But, ok, yawn away. All your “evidence” is based on sensory input. Not based in logic.
“Brain in a vat isn’t worth my time” Well, if one of the most established philosophical concepts - developed by history’s first philosopher and undisputed to this day - is beneath you, I don’t know why you engaged me in this philosophical discussion.
My point was never that we’re in a simulation. Try reading instead of raging. I clearly evoked that example to demonstrate a simple point - “I think, therefore I am” is the only thing that can be proven beyond all doubt.
“...I have no reason to treat life as fiction...” Idk who told you to treat life one way or another, but it wasn’t me. I simply said there is such a thing as certainty, and proved it.
Established doesn't mean it's taken seriously. All he said is that you don't know if you're a brain in a vat and the discussion ends there. You can't know you are or not so it truly is a pointless comment.
"I think therefor I am" also cannot be proven beyond all doubt and there are a number of responses as to why that is. I think Daniel Dennett made a remark as well as several Eastern philosophers.
You didn't prove anything you asserted it. I would stick to Descartes Mathematics rather than his philosophy as Dualism is essentially dead at the moment.
Also I did use logic to justify an external world, but like all philosophy it's not certain. But it's more explanatory than "it's just my mind", which I can't prove and has a lot of holes since it doesn't state how your mind came to be (among other things).
Like I said, the discussion as a whole is a dead horse and pointless. It's question with no answer and it doesn't have any impact on one's life unless the get twisted over it.
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: Thanatos10]
#26623023 - 04/23/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well if it’s so tired and simple, why not disprove it?
Instead you write a wall of text with 0 meaning. Go ahead, tell me why I might not exist.
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feldman114 said: Well if it’s so tired and simple, why not disprove it?
Instead you write a wall of text with 0 meaning. Go ahead, tell me why I might not exist.
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feldman114 said: Well if it’s so tired and simple, why not disprove it?
Instead you write a wall of text with 0 meaning. Go ahead, tell me why I might not exist.
I say tired because it has no solution and it's a question that advances nothing. You could ignore it and it would have no impact on your life.
As for why you might not exist: you may be a simulation, an figment of someone else's imagination, evil demon deception, matrix, dream, etc. Take your pic. Your own existence is uncertain, it is merely assumed. It's like that Butterfly Poem. Are you a man dreaming he was a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming he was a man?
Regardless there are better questions to attend to and there is a reason philosophers move on from Descartes Demon.
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: Thanatos10]
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Errr what? How does any of that prove I may not exist?
You just listed a bunch of stuff I can BE. Tell me how I might NOT be.
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feldman114 said: Errr what? How does any of that prove I may not exist?
You just listed a bunch of stuff I can BE. Tell me how I might NOT be.
Actually I did list all the stuff that you can not be. You can just be a figment of someone else and not know it.
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The reason philosophers move on from Descartes is because Descartes is the basis of all Philosophical knowledge.
That’s like saying arithmetics are wrong because all mathematicians move on from it...
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feldman114 said: The reason philosophers move on from Descartes is because Descartes is the basis of all Philosophical knowledge.
That’s like saying arithmetics are wrong because all mathematicians move on from it...
He actually isn't the basis of all philosophical knowledge since he essentially invented God to get out of his hole.
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: Thanatos10]
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feldman114 said: Errr what? How does any of that prove I may not exist?
You just listed a bunch of stuff I can BE. Tell me how I might NOT be.
Actually I did list all the stuff that you can not be. You can just be a figment of someone else and not know it.
So I’m a figment? That means I exist, buddy. Dunno how else to explain it to you. How is a figment of imagination different than my simulation example (that you shat on)?
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feldman114 said: The reason philosophers move on from Descartes is because Descartes is the basis of all Philosophical knowledge.
That’s like saying arithmetics are wrong because all mathematicians move on from it...
He actually isn't the basis of all philosophical knowledge since he essentially invented God to get out of his hole.
Oh god, what? He was the first philosopher. He literally invented the occupation and the science. Every person who studied philosophy starts with Descartes. Of course all philosophy is based on his work.
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You just listed a bunch of stuff I can BE. Tell me how I might NOT be.
Actually I did list all the stuff that you can not be. You can just be a figment of someone else and not know it.
So I’m a figment? That means I exist, buddy. Dunno how else to explain it to you. How is a figment of imagination different than my simulation example (that you shat on)?
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feldman114 said: The reason philosophers move on from Descartes is because Descartes is the basis of all Philosophical knowledge.
That’s like saying arithmetics are wrong because all mathematicians move on from it...
He actually isn't the basis of all philosophical knowledge since he essentially invented God to get out of his hole.
Oh god, what? He was the first philosopher. He literally invented the occupation and the science. Every person who studied philosophy starts with Descartes. Of course all philosophy is based on his work.
He was definitely not the first and some of his notions are flawed. Dualism has been proven wrong and his Demon is where he reached a dead end. Even his assumption that he exists and isn't a figment or a brain in the vat is faulty.
All he proves is cognitive activity but no thinker. There are thoughts but that's all you know.
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: Thanatos10]
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feldman114 said: The reason philosophers move on from Descartes is because Descartes is the basis of all Philosophical knowledge.
That’s like saying arithmetics are wrong because all mathematicians move on from it...
He actually isn't the basis of all philosophical knowledge since he essentially invented God to get out of his hole.
Probably the funniest thing that’s ever been said about Descartes, and yet so true. He could not escape his own invention of mind only, and so posited a bigger mind in which his mind/ all phenomena occur...sneaky clever little philosopher man hmm 🧐
And one mustn’t forget it was much more of a philosophical thought experiment than a philosophical treaty or disposition to explain things as they really are, I’m certainly glad he moved on.
Atleast something good came of this argument, next time I have a lucid dream or I take a large dose of mushrooms, If I can get to that place where conscious and the unconscious , or the subject and object - coalesce - I will do my utmost to ask my undivided self (when both sides of the brain are hyperlinked and actively working in unison as opposed to in cyclical oscillation) the question regarding this topic, and see what my brain tells me from that space/place of nondual primal awareness in the “Dreamtime” or whatever you guys call it. That place/state of lucidity and self knowing... where the dream and the dreamer, and body-mind- everything in the cosmos are temporarily not felt,or perceived to be distinctly separate.
I imagine it will end up being quite entertaining and hilarious.
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feldman114 said: The reason philosophers move on from Descartes is because Descartes is the basis of all Philosophical knowledge.
That’s like saying arithmetics are wrong because all mathematicians move on from it...
He actually isn't the basis of all philosophical knowledge since he essentially invented God to get out of his hole.
Probably the funniest thing that’s ever been said about Descartes, and yet so true. He could not escape his own invention of mind only, and so posited a bigger mind in which his mind/ all phenomena occur...sneaky clever little philosopher man hmm 🧐
Glad he moved on.
I think most moved on from that hole or don't get stuck in/take seriously.
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: feldman114]
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Oh god, what? He was the first philosopher. He literally invented the occupation and the science. Every person who studied philosophy starts with Descartes. Of course all philosophy is based on his work.

What? Where did you study?
You cannot start with Descartes. You would miss about 2000 years of documented thought. You start with the ancients. This is known
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: Tripsurfer]
#26625346 - 04/24/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just enjoyed the show not sure about the rest.
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: Tripsurfer]
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Oh god, what? He was the first philosopher. He literally invented the occupation and the science. Every person who studied philosophy starts with Descartes. Of course all philosophy is based on his work.

What? Where did you study?
You cannot start with Descartes. You would miss about 2000 years of documented thought. You start with the ancients. This is known
Yeah, I guess Aristotle and Plato, Sun Tzu, Confuscious, Buddha are just fairy tales.
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: Thanatos10]
#26626242 - 04/25/20 04:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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For sure. Thats why its so hard to study philosophy
Unless you are knowledgable about about basically everything that has gone before in the history of thought, you will miss so much when trying to interpret the work of more modern thinkers.
The density of meaning in the sentences of great philosophers is insane
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: feldman114]
#26626760 - 04/25/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Feldman, I really love the show. Just watched a couple episodes last night. I don't like Dr. Drew, but I watched that episode and the Damien Echols one.
In episode 1, I liked how he talked about meditating. In the Echols episode, I like how Damien said that enlightenment isn't the goal, but rather the first step in a process, which makes total sense. I don't remember hearing anyone say that in that way.
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: feldman114]
#26626835 - 04/25/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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feldman114 said: The reason philosophers move on from Descartes is because Descartes is the basis of all Philosophical knowledge.
That’s like saying arithmetics are wrong because all mathematicians move on from it...
He actually isn't the basis of all philosophical knowledge since he essentially invented God to get out of his hole.
Oh god, what? He was the first philosopher. He literally invented the occupation and the science. Every person who studied philosophy starts with Descartes. Of course all philosophy is based on his work.
The science of philosophy? People were contemplating their navels before they had a word for it.
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: deucedbi9]
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Really enjoyed this one
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: Learyfan]
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Learyfan said: Feldman, I really love the show. Just watched a couple episodes last night. I don't like Dr. Drew, but I watched that episode and the Damien Echols one.
In episode 1, I liked how he talked about meditating. In the Echols episode, I like how Damien said that enlightenment isn't the goal, but rather the first step in a process, which makes total sense. I don't remember hearing anyone say that in that way.

I didn’t like the first one, it misunderstands what meditation is and as for the enlightenment one it assumes that such a state is real.
Also didn’t really appreciate the simulation episode. The series as a whole is pretty depressing
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I do not like this show. The writing reads like it was done by a 19 year old who just started using drugs and thinking. Maybe it is interesting to people who never went through that for themselves
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: morrowasted]
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The composition is very dry to me.
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Also I’m pretty sure the writing is interviews the guy did on his podcast
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: Thanatos10]
#26631095 - 04/26/20 11:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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This show is all illuminatied out. He's pretty much talking to the triangle or the all seeing eye of god. Kinda like he is God himself. Experiencing different beings and different worlds by what....? Putting his head into a vagina looking contraption??? Is that what it's all about? The triangle, all seeing eye thing, is worshiping pussy so that you can see everything or be God? Is this what freemasonry is all about?
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: genesis128]
#26631106 - 04/27/20 12:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Am I the only ones that's just riding this wave called life and enjoying every second? 
And sorry op I'm not gonna watch it only for one reason: you reminded me adventure time was a thing.....now I miss adventure time
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The last episode is worth watching IMO. The rest kind of fall flat. Pity since it seemed like at interesting concept for a show. Waking Life does it better
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yes waking life did it better but it still hit the spot for me, although...
I watched it the night of the 21'st (i'm guessing a day after they put it out on 4/20?) it's been almost two months of being confined in my room and i decided it was time to smoke some hashish. i stopped smoking cannabis years ago and the last few times i did (once in a long while for the past few years) have all been a paranoia shitfest and near fainting spells.
but i thought now that i'm alone and there's nothing to do it might be interesting to smoke and perhaps do a movement class/dance around, masturbate and maybe watch a movie... you know.. self care, lol  it's been about a year and a half maybe two since the last time i got high.
i got really zonged though, it was late and movement class was hard because i was quite physically tired, that said i did find a whole different level to my dance which always attracted me to getting high.
but then the paranoia hit... screens, brainwashing, the fucking covid, social media, me being 38 jobless with no money and the future after this pandemic... you know, existential angst.
thankfully i was really calm and knew that i would probably generate some paranoia and could somehow let the thoughts role over without getting too attached to anything. so i thought lets just watch some silly thing on netfilx and i saw this new cartoon and just pressed play...
it felt like the universe aligned to share with me its trip, it was all for me... instant connection with what i was feeling and thinking and the absurdity and disconnected between the words and the cartoon craziness...
i liked it a lot and that's not to say that i agree with everything they're saying, it's just a cartoon after all, still it was interesting and entertaining.
now i feel like my 18 year old getting hyped about anything while high, like the guy in half baked "but did you ever try ... on WEED?" lol
anyway i enjoyed it and highly recommend it as a light watch
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Re: The Midnight Gospel Discussion [Re: morrowasted]
#26650153 - 05/05/20 09:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes. It watches like conversations I've had and read on the shroomery for years. It's visually interesting but it's like watching a podcast while you watch a cartoon instead of just watching the cartoon. And not even that because you can tell the conversation is constructed so it seems weird. I don't hate it it's just not for me.
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Just watched this show and think its fucking great. Forget the haters on here because yes it is a podcast put to animation not scripted though dont know where u got that idea ita obviously a podcast i noticed about 2 minutes in. Its not gonna make u suddenly guru or anything. But gives some fun thoughts on Buddhism, meditation, and psychology. Suprised people here dont like it more i think they got a "butt plug stuck in their brain" or something  Yea waking life was similer i saw it in theatress when o was 18 and it rocked jist cuz im older and learned more doesn't make it any less interesting yall need to get off ur high horse or ride it somewhere else shiiaaa...
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no butt plug in my brain I just have a tendency to gravitate my attention towards things that my attention has not previously been exposed to. during the course of the entire first episode I did not hear one idea or thought that I had not heard or even thought of myself before
so yes I am a hater and I dont care. even if it were just the podcast, I wouldn't listen to it. and I love rick and morty. this show is just boring
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It's visually interesting but it's like watching a podcast while you watch a cartoon instead of just watching the cartoon.
Agree with this. I loved the series, but it demands multiple viewings. That way you get to absorb different bits at different times. On first viewing, it's too much and a lot of it washes over you. There's a crazy amount of detail and comedy in the visuals.
Now I come to think of it, perhaps it fits... Isn't life a bit like that in general? I find myself 'rewatching' scenes from my past, and inching closer to understanding the (usually dumb) comedy of living.
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