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Question about B. caapi extraction
    #26621637 - 04/23/20 06:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hey everyone!

I have some questions regarding B. caapi extraction to make changa.. I have seen different teks..

1. question: I've come around 2 or 3 threads online about making, for example, 10x b. caapi leaf extract for changa by only boiling 10g of leaf or vine in water for about 30 minutes or more, then filter the water to new pot, add new water to leaf/vine and repeat 2 more times, then combine all the liquid, boil to evaporate so the there is just enough liquid left to put in 1g of b. caapi leaf, soak it in and let evaporate and dry.. Does this work, without use of solvents or anything? Maybe there wouldn't be 10x if that 1g of leaf would then weight more, but quantity is not what i wanted to find out currently.

2. question: If this works from 1. question, what would happen if instead of making extract on leaf, one would just evaporate water after boiling few times.. Would there be extracted powder left? If so, in what form would that powder be? And how would that be compared to doing an extraction with lye.

I'd be really glad to get some experienced answers, becouse i can't seem to find the wanted answers googling it and searching.

And i am looking for a way to use as little additives as possible(Solvents, bases, salts etc.)

I know this may seem like a stupid question, but i find it hard to find direct answers online. Hope anyone can give me some answers and maybe later answer some more questions.

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Re: Question about B. caapi extraction [Re: Rush56]
    #26621708 - 04/23/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Caapi leaf does not have a significant amount of alkaloids in it. Even using old vine is a chore and the results are lacklustre compared to rue. Sure there's THH and other alks in it that can make it more interesting, but if you want to make changa just do a rue extraction. Far more bang for your buck.

Or boil the crap out of the leaves and evap it and see for yourself. :shrug:


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Re: Question about B. caapi extraction [Re: Rush56]
    #26621732 - 04/23/20 07:53 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I have one more question. As in method in first question, would it be possible to use syrian rue instead of caapi vine/leaf when brewing and then infuse that into caapi leaf for changa? Considering it is cheaper and has greater maoi content.


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Re: Question about B. caapi extraction [Re: Northerner]
    #26621751 - 04/23/20 08:03 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I am aware of that Northerner, i just wanted to know about process and what do i get doing it this way and if it works..

But i also came across this info on http://substances.nextohm.com/Tryptamines/DMT-Harmalas/

5.4 Changa

Changa is Enhanced Leaf with Harmalas - a beneficial synergy. The Harmalas source can either be Caapi herbs (usually 10x extract) or isolated Harmalas alkaloids (usually extracted from Syrian Rue). There are many varieties of Changa, but like Ayahuasca the key active ingredients are DMT and Harmalas.

The basic theory behind Changa is that very small amounts of smoked Harmalas, even in the realm of 100 micrograms to 1 mg can effect as much as 50% MAO-A inhibition and beyond. Some claim that smoked Caapi extract is 100 to 1000 fold more potent than isolated Harmalas as a RIMA.

Is that false info then?


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Re: Question about B. caapi extraction [Re: Rush56]
    #26622506 - 04/23/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The problem with just cooking rue and drying is there's a load of other funky smelling stuff that's gonna come out, would probably be unpalatable. You can pressure cook rue whole and go from there to extract, it doesn't have to be the whole tao of rue mess.

I don't know where that info came from. I add 250mg per gram of DMT, and mix that with a gram of leaf. That mixture I smoke around 100mg at a time with. That would not be considered harmala heavy in terms of changa, though it's ~23mg harmala per dose. Dropping lower than 200mg in the mix starts to have negligible effect in terms of MAO inhibition.

RIMAs aren't harmala or caapi based drugs afaik, I don't even know why the two are being compared in this context anyway. And x10 smoked caapi leaf is less potent and less quantifiable than extracted harmala ime. I don't think the person who wrote that has any real world experience.


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