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Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob
    #26620970 - 04/22/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hey guys. So i've decided to start growing mushies.
I have a decent sized closet i could fit about 15? Monotubs in. Not sure yet, but we will find out!

Im researching as much as i can and will keep questions and such to a minimal. Ive got a green thumb for cannabis and know how easy it is to over and underthink things, so i feel i got a good chance. Im definitely gonna start slow and build my way up, we will see.

Im yet to order spores and am compliling my supplies list.

I will get a pressure cooker

I will use spawn bags but am going to do agar. Def sold on agar. Just wanna get the ball rolling and just inject some bags/jars.

Heres my list so far. Will work on numbers and update.

Craig's/offerup/walmart
Air filter
Pressure cooker
Still air box (I'll make)
Monotubs (have yet to figure size)
Rye berries or oats for spawn
Wide mouth pint jars (maybe quart, but will take longer)
Everything for sterilizing
Gloves, masks, tyvek suit
Small fan for air circ in closet.

Supply site:
Compost mix
A few spawn bags
Injection lids
Agar materials? Will look around
Casing mix


Spores:
Still deciding. Was gonna do GT until i read bunch of trip reports. Ive had amazonians that made me see david bowies spirit in the curtain. There was like three of him. Hard to explain.
Either way im leaning towards B+ and penis envy. I understand penis envy is difficult but im feeling confident and patient.

If i forgot anything let me know, or let me know what you think so far.

Will update with closet picture, size, among other things. Peace out yall.

ChapoEscobar


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26621006 - 04/22/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Best of luck & Look forward to seeing the progress


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: shevanel]
    #26623379 - 04/23/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Good luck, curious to see how this works out.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: hazymarmot]
    #26623570 - 04/23/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Im actually gonna buy a Grow Tent and use that as a huge fruiting chamber 2x4xwhatever.
so now im looking into ultrasonic humidifiers and stuff?
no more monotubs..
i have the money so why not do a tent instead of opening 15 monotubs. will update


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    #26623602 - 04/23/20 10:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: sporenomore]
    #26623623 - 04/23/20 11:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I fucking love the trip GT gives. it's usually a more comfortable trip even at 14g and higher doses. It's probably my favorite cube to trip on.
Also PE isn't any harder. it does like a casing but that can be as simple as buying a bag of jiffy seed starter mix. Putting it on top and misting. I have gotten away with using it straight out the bag bit stopped doing that after I lost 3 tubs in a row that were cases with jiffy straight out the bag and the 3 that had only a coir psudocase(sp) did fine. All were from the same spawn run. It can be gotten away with though. You can also run it uncased if you don't mind a whole first flush of blobs.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: sporenomore]
    #26623733 - 04/24/20 12:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks my brothas!

i actually grew with 15 x 1000w hps/mh lights the last time i grew in this warehouse/shed. i also did guerilla growing in this forest behind my house for like 5 years. id fill back packs with gallon jugs of nutrient water along with 4 in each hand. gotta do it big yo!


anyways i actually ordered my pressure cooker the 16qt presto today. all american in the future.

As for GTs i was reading trip reports and it seemed like for every 3 reviews was someone who loved it, someone who was 3 stars and then someone who hated it and said absolutely nothing happened so idk it just had me second guessing the GTs.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26623746 - 04/24/20 01:04 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Start agar asap, you'll be glad you did. I have a pretty comprehensive guide in my sig

If you use the streaking technique in my sig you can have a clean culture in 2 transfers easy, and that's playing it safe

I'd skip spores straight to grain. Spores are never sterile. It might work but might as well skip the noob stuff and hit the ground running

You dont need compost mix. Just buy coir bricks, run straight coir sub. It's the most forgiving and what most pros use

Casing wise just toplayer coir, or buy jiffy seed starter and adjust ph to 7.5-8

16qt is too small man. Check craigslist and find at least a 21qt AA or a 27qt presto . Itll take you ages to do as much grain as you need to do in a 16qt

You dont need air filter or tyvek suit

Definitely get quart jars, widemouth. Smaller ain't gonna work well at all for the volume you are trying to do

Also I'd hold off on the tent for now. Just stick to monotubs, it's the most forgiving bulk method. Cakes or bottles would work to but I think monos suit you best. Greenhouses can take a while to dial in and have a much steeper learning curve. Monotubs are di way brudda

Also you need lights, ideally 6500k fluorescent LED. I use led strips as well. And you need timers,  especially for a closet

Also I'd recommend removing all the personally identifiable info from your post

I think you are gonna do great :smile:


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26623846 - 04/24/20 03:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Friendly reminder that it doesn't matter what cube strain you get


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: Corundum]
    #26623906 - 04/24/20 04:15 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Friendly reminder that it doesn't matter what cube strain you get





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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: Je77Ce11ar]
    #26625340 - 04/24/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

well it seems like were in a bit of a pickle, dick.

ill just get another pressure cooker, fuck it. and monotubs it is, i just really really like the appeal of a tent set up properly. and yes i was gonna just buy a led strip light thing you get for kids rooms.

and as for info ill make sure to edit..
wonder how many times RR has been raided.. youre right, better safe than sorry.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26625353 - 04/24/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)



i got this air purifier today and love it, never owned one before.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26625460 - 04/24/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

We are all good boys here. We dindu nuffin


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26625505 - 04/24/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

and i totally understand ordering spores a little more now. its not like cannabis seeds, but it is. either way im not picky. i ordered Koh Super strain and Golden Teacher so i can do both and whichever is vigorous and strong will be the one, since a cube is a cube is a cube right?




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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar] * 1
    #26625614 - 04/24/20 08:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I run 15 66qt tubs, just give you an idea,  I use a hair under 50lbs of rye a run, 6- qt jars to each sub. Be prepared for tons- of kitchen time. I use 2 PC's, cut my time down to about 50 hours a month.

I would stagger your tubs like batches of 5, 7-10 days apart. You'll thank me even harvesting 5 tubs a wack, and you won't get 15 tubs worth in dehydrator, let alone 2.

Also do not put faith into 1 genetic line ( one agar plate)line of genetics. Nothing like getting 8 lbs of bunk, or tiny fruit.
I use about 3-4 different cultures ( may be same variety). Even now, I would never do 15 tubs all from the same master, you think it can be predictable, but I never put all faith into 1 culture. I always have at least 25 master qt jars in my fridge. Always have back up, something doesn't go right, your going to waste a month germinating new spores, agar, grain.

make extra agar plates, I constantly have 20-30 plates in fridge, that are clean and ready to use.

I will also mention, I wouldn't waste tons of a time, money, and energy jumping into 15 tubs, start with 2-3, get your sterile technique down, learn your G2G procedure, agar work. If you plan on doing 15 tubs from untested spores, there's a high chance you'll be disappointed.

I was large cannabis grower, grew up on a 500 acre horse farm, have a natural talent for growing, however I jstarted with 2 tubs, then 5, then hit 15. You need to know what your doing, so you aren't tossing 15 tubs and a month of work.  Just my advice. Out of 3 years, say 200+ tubs, I only lost one to trich. It's expensive, lost time, and heart breaking, even to toss 1 tub, let alone 15.

From ground zero, do three tubs of different genetics, from agar of course, get clone culture from this tubs, do three more tubs of the same, as those growing, do 3-4, even up to 6 ,if necessary, transfers of your clone culture plates
Then I would 4 make 4-6 new agar plates of each, once it's ready to use, use one for master grain jar, out remaining plates in fridge. If things go smoothly, and you do it correctly, and as newb cultivator, plan on 6-7 months to get up to full steam. Starting from spores, cloning, testing the clone in 1 tub, before doing several, then if results are good, run with it. The process won't happen overnight.

For me, having tons of masters available, I could shut down shop for 2 months, but have 15 tubs in production in under 2 weeks, with tried and trusted clone cultures. Even clone cultures need to be tested before making multiple tubs.

It's a lot work, you gotta be dedicated, can't be a slacker. Baby steps brother! My advice is if you plan on going long term, not one and done.

If it wasn't for stay at home covid stuff, I would never type this much,lol.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: Tstone]
    #26625799 - 04/24/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I run 15 66qt tubs, just give you an idea,  I use a hair under 50lbs of rye a run, 6- qt jars to each sub. Be prepared for tons- of kitchen time. I use 2 PC's, cut my time down to about 50 hours a month.

I would stagger your tubs like batches of 5, 7-10 days apart. You'll thank me even harvesting 5 tubs a wack, and you won't get 15 tubs worth in dehydrator, let alone 2.

Also do not put faith into 1 genetic line ( one agar plate)line of genetics. Nothing like getting 8 lbs of bunk, or tiny fruit.
I use about 3-4 different cultures ( may be same variety). Even now, I would never do 15 tubs all from the same master, you think it can be predictable, but I never put all faith into 1 culture. I always have at least 25 master qt jars in my fridge. Always have back up, something doesn't go right, your going to waste a month germinating new spores, agar, grain.

make extra agar plates, I constantly have 20-30 plates in fridge, that are clean and ready to use.

I will also mention, I wouldn't waste tons of a time, money, and energy jumping into 15 tubs, start with 2-3, get your sterile technique down, learn your G2G procedure, agar work. If you plan on doing 15 tubs from untested spores, there's a high chance you'll be disappointed.

I was large cannabis grower, grew up on a 500 acre horse farm, have a natural talent for growing, however I jstarted with 2 tubs, then 5, then hit 15. You need to know what your doing, so you aren't tossing 15 tubs and a month of work.  Just my advice. Out of 3 years, say 200+ tubs, I only lost one to trich. It's expensive, lost time, and heart breaking, even to toss 1 tub, let alone 15.

From ground zero, do three tubs of different genetics, from agar of course, get clone culture from this tubs, do three more tubs of the same, as those growing, do 3-4, even up to 6 ,if necessary, transfers of your clone culture plates
Then I would 4 make 4-6 new agar plates of each, once it's ready to use, use one for master grain jar, out remaining plates in fridge. If things go smoothly, and you do it correctly, and as newb cultivator, plan on 6-7 months to get up to full steam. Starting from spores, cloning, testing the clone in 1 tub, before doing several, then if results are good, run with it. The process won't happen overnight.

For me, having tons of masters available, I could shut down shop for 2 months, but have 15 tubs in production in under 2 weeks, with tried and trusted clone cultures. Even clone cultures need to be tested before making multiple tubs.

It's a lot work, you gotta be dedicated, can't be a slacker. Baby steps brother! My advice is if you plan on going long term, not one and done.

If it wasn't for stay at home covid stuff, I would never type this much,lol.




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Yea most ppl dont realize the work that goes into running like 5 tubs consistently let alone 15 or like most ppl i know 30+

And yea great point on harvesting!


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: Je77Ce11ar]
    #26625859 - 04/24/20 10:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

dude, tstone, thanks so much for the info! well i got a free syringe with the two. ill jump online and order maybe some B+ and ApeR when theyre available. i just watched the RR dvd and am gonna rewatch so im still stuffin my head. i already lived with a roomie who grew, been picking for chantrells, and cooked with morels in a fine dining restaurant (among lionsmane etc but i love the morels for cream sauce) but i dont wanna let you guys down, and your story is definitely the one i want to follow! you see where im going. im down to start slow, baby :wink:


as for cloning and flushes i love watching this guys vids! stay chubby lol (somethin he says)


im gonna get a mini fridge for agar and such. ill hide the rest in arbys bags in the main fridge haha. ill take a pic of my room and closet. my closet is 2x4x8 you think i can fit 66 qts? we will see


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26625922 - 04/24/20 11:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

For 15 tubs, you'll need more than a mini fridge,lol. Just germinating spores on agar, making some transfers to more agar, then having 1 fully colonized master jar, is probably 4-6 week process. Then with master you make a few extra  jars, 6 for a tub( 10-12 days for those jars to colonize, so now 6 -7 weeks, and still no tub, if things go smoothly, and environment is suitable for jar colonizing) 1-3 in fridge for next round, or keep 2 jars in fridge, I've had 100% success at 3 month fridge storage ( mine usually in fridge for 6-8 weeks before used, but have several T1 masters that are pushing 2.5 months.Mini fridges can be very inconsistent with temps. If your cultures, agar or colonized grain jars freeze, they are done. Have 10O% confidence in the fridge, 36-38 degrees ideal.

Just giving you a synapsis of time lines, work load, I find, for myself, one man team, 15 tubs is pushing my maximum, and I do 5 tubs x3 staggered, there is only empty space for a set of 5 tubs for a day in fruiting, jars all set for next round, 5 other colonizing tubs in sperate area,  are ready to go in go in, Also, planning very important. I have my tubs down within 4 days, from making tub, til spent tub, if I want to get out of town, can make an airline reservation 3-4 months ahead, and my grow area empty, without killing tubs early.its constant, full time job,lol. You HAVE TO HAVE PASSION! People burn out after 2 rounds running several tubs. Without passion, you slack off, neglect, on so on, and it seems more of a chore that you hate! Lol 15 tubs is way beyond the hobby scale.

Some begginers have a dream of getting 10 lbs in under 60 days, just saying, it won't happen. Not you specifically, but it's time consuming,and procedural.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: Tstone]
    #26625937 - 04/25/20 12:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-4-3-cu-ft-top-freezer-refrigerator-stainless-steel/6173901.p?skuId=6173901

sure i cant get away with something as big as this AND my fridge?

let me go post a pic of my fridge. it is EMPTY. roomies and i rarely use it, i doubt theyll even know i have stuff in there. ill even bet money on it lol.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26625950 - 04/25/20 12:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Staging is definitely necessary if it’s just you.  You can practice multiple tubs by doing 6 shoe boxes in stages, keep track of everything time wise and easily figure out a larger scale grow by simply multiplying your work load.  Shoe boxes are good for culture tests too.. nice and fast without a lot of risk

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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26625953 - 04/25/20 12:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Few quick things-

You'll never hide 15 tubs worth of cooking, tubs etc from roommates. Even drying puts out a fungus smell.

If busted,everyone going down for that size operation. Should discussed as a household, before anything starts, if they are against, then you are outta luck. Wait til you have your own place.

It's actually, kinda uncool to put them in potential danger. Just the smell of the PC
is going to be very noticeable in an entire, even large house. You will be consuming the kitchen for days on end.

I take it that you rent,  are you moving in the next year.

I'd get a mini fridge without the freezer,  don't need for any portion of of cultivating, it's the enemy. And freezers mess with fridge temp.

How predictable is the landlord.

Just staying, many things to take into consideration before even buying anything. Your PC is a bit small for multi tubs, should have gotten 23qt. If you have a full time job, you won't be able to pull off 15 tubs in a run. If you travel a lot,  not conducive to cultivating.

Good luck on your venture, but you MUST think about consequences for your roommates.

Roommates, if saw the operation, without being informed, I guarantee, it will not end well for anyone. They will be pissed, and demand you tear it down immediately, and toss you out, if they are on lease. Shit, they could call the cops on you. Ya never know.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: fahtster]
    #26625966 - 04/25/20 12:32 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i just bought this mini fridge. if its not enough, ill get another.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Magic-Chef-4-4-cu-ft-Mini-Fridge-in-Black-HMAR440BE/205951818?modalType=drawer

and yeah man i get it, the owner knows and doesnt care, and ive worked with one of the other guys. i just dont know the other two to know my biz but fuck em, and im not trying to stink up the house with horse poop pasteurizing and such. idk i was just speculating in the beginning. roomie breeds dogs and yard smells like shit. i have a bull terrier. its all good with smells and shit itll all be in my room, sealed off when dehydrated. i dont plan on moving for a year or so. its allllll good brotha.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: fahtster]
    #26626002 - 04/25/20 12:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Staging is definitely necessary if it’s just you.  You can practice multiple tubs by doing 6 shoe boxes in stages, keep track of everything time wise and easily figure out a larger scale grow by simply multiplying your work load.  Shoe boxes are good for culture tests too.. nice and fast without a lot of risk

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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26626003 - 04/25/20 12:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:lol: they’re on vacation.. they’ll be back.  Too many good memories :wink:

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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26626004 - 04/25/20 12:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I cant imagine 15 tubs and i live alone in a mother in law suite outback all to myself. Maybe if i redid my attic into a giant fruiting room?  :rockon:


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: Ababyphoenix]
    #26626034 - 04/25/20 01:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

well i dont NEED a closet... why not put it to use


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26626154 - 04/25/20 02:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

U got it! Just make sure you dont piss ur roomies off :P

Ur gunna need to be on there best side with ur over that loud PC most days. My family thinks jokes around that im cooking meth when i do my agar Erlenmeyer flasks .


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: Ababyphoenix]
    #26626166 - 04/25/20 02:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If you have a rocker weight pc, you can add a few quarters (taped or glued) to the weight so it doesn’t start rocking until 18psi.. just make sure you vent the pc for 10 minutes before you add the weight.  Keeps things quiet.  If you don’t feel like doing that, you can put a large mug over the weight to muffle the sound



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    #26626169 - 04/25/20 03:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah i did the 3 quarter trick, they pop right into the AA pc weight its perfect. But venting and the occasional hiss and the overall kitchen hassle of having that on ur stove for long time is what i mean. It seems do=able until your sitting there watching a pressure gauge every 10-15 minutes for days on end lmfao


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    #26627500 - 04/25/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

cancelled 16qt order (they hadnt sent it yet) and am getting bigger.

also i go camping (overnight) and plan on rinsing rye berries, loading everything up in the car, and using a butane stove to pressure cook some jars while im roasting doggies or somethin. let it cool overnight and go home in the morning to inoculate at home.


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    #26627514 - 04/25/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Mans going out in the desert like walter white in the RV. :crazy2:


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    #26627802 - 04/25/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

sounds grand.
technically logistically possible, but im having reservations on the practicality and security issues.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: panne cyanne]
    #26628343 - 04/25/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You can take a hot pad and a pc anywhere you got a plug. I wouldnt risk it personally but then again as long as u dont have anything illegal it isnt illegal to sterilize grains in the middle of nowhere.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: Ababyphoenix]
    #26628412 - 04/25/20 11:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yea just jars of grain are fine. You’ll probably be getting the presto 23qt. It will do 10 qts at a time and only costs a hundo or so. But you have to be careful using a propane stove. You want one with a small diameter to match the tough part on the bottom of the PC and less than 12k btu i believe it is. Otherwise it can soften the metal and the bottom will bulge and possibly weaken in a bad way. Not good. The thicker bottom plate is 8” diam.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26631072 - 04/26/20 11:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Soak the berries for 20-24 hours, then bring to a quick boil, strain and dry. Soaking prevents bursting when bringing to a a boik but most importantly,  soaking is hydrading the grains, and purpose of heating is for quicker drying. Gotta understand moisture content and proper drying before loading grains in to jars.


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    #26639090 - 04/30/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm ordering an all american 25x autoclave sterilizer off ebay. Gonna take 2 weeks to get here so probably wont hear from me til then.
I'll be elsewhere on the forum and researching.

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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26639303 - 04/30/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If you got that 16 qt presto you could do some Agar work while you wait. get your cultures lined up ready to roll.


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    #26639362 - 04/30/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Lol I didnt i cancelled the second everyone told me to get a bigger one, but im not tripping. I have patience and the spores are still on their way. They've actually been in Indiana for a few days so rheyre definitely taking their time gettin here


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26649688 - 05/05/20 03:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

im ordering petri dishes, etc and am having the most frustrating time.
my issue is finding everything in one place (website) and not paying out the ass for it. some websites charge $6 for the same 20pk of petri dishes another one is charging $15. im not new to this internet shopping bullshit but man some of this stuff is pretty specific.
pressure cooker tomorrow, mini fridge tomorrow, and i got spores. all i need is agar equip. and im ready to roll.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26649695 - 05/05/20 04:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Do you have your SAB ready to go?


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    #26649713 - 05/05/20 04:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Do you have your SAB ready to go?




Least of the worries IMO, make a couple holes in a tote and ur good. Getting all the agar supplies is a pain but once u got a innoc loops blades scalpel agar dishes (whether u do pasty plates or petris) you really only have to source more agar media and petris/pastys. It's worth it and i feel the struggle just did the same thing. ShroomSupply.com had most of what i needed but they kinda price gouge for bulk mats like rye MEA mix and what not.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: Ababyphoenix]
    #26649726 - 05/05/20 04:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I agree, but it's good to have it ready for when you get your stuff, so you can go to work immediately.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: poisoned]
    #26649744 - 05/05/20 04:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

im just ordering everything i can off shroom supply and sab is easy as 1,2,3. can have that as soon as tomorrow also, plastic box, drill/burn holes, done.


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    #26649752 - 05/05/20 04:48 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

this first grow im going to order off mountainhigh.com or whatever they're called for substrate, until i start to pasteurize my own verm/coir/manure/gypsum mix.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26649804 - 05/05/20 05:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i just realized i forgot inoculation loops haha!
but either way, i told yall i aint fuckin around...
just ordered this from shroomsupply.com
i wish they had a deal right now for covid but oh well.  bought a dope ass shirt.

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1 x Parafilm M Laboratory Film2" X 250' Roll (147)  = $24.00
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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26649810 - 05/05/20 05:48 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You can diy a loop at home. It's just a twisted wire.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: poisoned]
    #26650363 - 05/05/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Just got a 25 qt 25x all mutha fucckin 'merican autoclave sterilizer for 300 off some old fuck on craigslist. Cheaper than a brand new regular AA ($2whatever plus shipping)

He thought i was using it for tattoo equipment, and he was the one who said it so I was just like "Yeah, tattoos"


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    #26652076 - 05/06/20 03:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)



This is gonna be my agar bottle vs $30 beaker online. IMO the square/hexagonal shape should prevent falling over.


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    #26652305 - 05/06/20 06:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I use a little absolute pint bottle. I have a small 8qt? PC that I use for quick agar runs for only 10 plates. It’s perfect.


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26655701 - 05/07/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Have you tried pouring a 1/2 gallon booze bottle in a SAB, height restrictions & one handed, loaded with plates? May want to re-think that :smile:


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    #26655935 - 05/07/20 07:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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    #26661085 - 05/09/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Im using a larger box than others for my SAB. Not only for everything but im 6'4" so my arms are pretty wonky anyways.

The autoclave works but leaks a few bubbles out of the lid and steam-stopper.

Any tips? Im gonna clean it with steel wool or scrubby pad.

It hits 18-20 psi and holds it for hours so it works.



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Im using a larger box than others for my SAB. Not only for everything but im 6'4" so my arms are pretty wonky anyways.

The autoclave works but leaks a few bubbles out of the lid and steam-stopper.

Any tips? Im gonna clean it with steel wool or scrubby pad.

It hits 18-20 psi and holds it for hours so it works.






If that's your video and u got an AA i had the steam escaping from the lid problem as well, then i decided i was going to make the executive decision to clamp those fuckers down as hard a i humanly could. It stopped spraying out the side. I think it also says AA's will take a few runs to fully set the metal to metal seal idk tho i could be trippin. mines fine now after 3-4 runs

Also if u have an AA the wieght is only set for 15 PSI meaning it will sping and release what ur calling bubbles while at or above 15 psi. This loses water due to evaporation and even though highly unlikely could run ur pc out of water if you used to little or ran for to long. To combat this with the AA i simple squeezed 3 quarters (18 some grams of weight) into the perfect slot on the AA weight and now its about a 17-18psi jiggle weight.  Now you can comfortably pc at 15+ psi without that annoying ass noise or losing and water whatsoever after venting. refer you to bods pressure cooker tek for mroe info. 

TLDR: find a way to get some quarters on that bitch and tighten those wing nuts down like real good, as well as make sure the lids on perfecct


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    #26661329 - 05/10/20 12:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you phoenix. Yeah it works either way so im stoked. Agar gets here by weds.


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    #26663228 - 05/10/20 08:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Its just a t-shirt with mushrooms on it. Dont know why they called it that...


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    #26663245 - 05/10/20 08:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It’s a stealie with mushrooms :shrug:


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    #26663759 - 05/11/20 03:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

a stealie? dude im so confused..


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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26663886 - 05/11/20 06:30 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Firstly to the guy who said put quarters on it : it's a sterilizer - it doesn't have a weight, it has a stopcock.

My thoughts are tighten it down more in a cross tightening pattern.

Also steal your mushroom sounds like a pun on steal your face from a grateful dead lyric from this song or the symbol for the grateful dead with the skull and lightening bolt called a stealie.



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    #26665623 - 05/11/20 11:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ah. Im a millennial, forgive me.

Never knew what their logo was called. I know some of their stuff. I love china cat.


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    #26669863 - 05/14/20 02:27 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

my order from shroomsupply.com was supposed to be here two days ago and the package is still stuck in oregon, since the 8th its been in the same place. im sure its not the shroomsupply fault but i paid for the extra shipping and this happens? ill try them once more in the future but im a little upset with how this order is going.. be patient if you guys order from them i guess..


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my order from shroomsupply.com was supposed to be here two days ago and the package is still stuck in oregon, since the 8th its been in the same place. im sure its not the shroomsupply fault but i paid for the extra shipping and this happens? ill try them once more in the future but im a little upset with how this order is going.. be patient if you guys order from them i guess..




I absolutely love shrrom supply (im not a bot lol) but the ship from FL and i live in FL. it get shere so quick! amybe look for another closer source but i never had an issue wit them other than they shipped a ripped bag of grains but replaced it in the end

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Re: Bulk Closet Grow by a Noob [Re: Ababyphoenix]
    #26670253 - 05/14/20 09:05 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Its all good. I messaged them and let them know whats going on, but I dont see it as their fault. I'll just plan ahead next time or something.


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Mail  is slow coast to coast. My 3 day packages are 5-6 days.


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