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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Amanita86]
    #26620566 - 04/22/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It's a really difficult question. We are past the point of simple solutions.

Looking at China, it's really hard to know what works and what doesn't when re-opening. We can't really trust the media.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Tantrika]
    #26620616 - 04/22/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

When I refered to petty examples of discrimination, the main example in my mind was him correcting a female support of his, encouraging her to say people kind instead of mankind. I dont recall mentioning the mosque shooting.

Idk what you even mean about the smoking pot being comparable to racism. Didnt say that at all. Thanks for implying im a bad person.

I'm not talking about the "implications of his blackface" im sinply piitning out that Obama never relied on his image being the guy who would never do cocaine. people knew he was a little crazy as a kid. so it wasnt a scandal. even though it could have been if someone had used it against him first and Obama tried to hide it.

however Trudeau relied on his wokeness so when he did something not so woke there was a scandal.

not really sure what your problem with my post was.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Amanita86]
    #26620650 - 04/22/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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What happens when you lose your home though:shrug:

There’s gotta be some selective go back to work plan.  I’m guessing the people building the tests are still dragging ass?  I just don’t think there’s any way around it, the answer is somewhere between everyone sitting at home and everyone going out.



I totally agree, we do need to open the economy back up and get people working we just need to happen in a way that won't set us back more then we progress. Italy had the harshest quarantine measures in the world probably it took them up until just about an hour to start getting people back into the economy. We also need to adhere by social distancing, face coverings and possibly gloves if they're not in short supply forever.

Getting too frantic and impatient However I truly believe will lead to a total economic disaster way worse than this. A common theme of in hearing from people they don't want to take government handouts and I get that that's part of conservative culture that they are proud to work in don't want the government helping them out. If the government can help us out this time we need it to go back to work.
Fauci did a lot of clarifying in the latest press briefing from the coronavirus task force. You made it very clear that if we jumped the gun on this we will see a second wave so big and intertwines with flu season that it'll be extremely hard to ever recover


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 3
    #26620682 - 04/22/20 05:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

In light of recent world events, I'm doing a giveaway.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26620704 - 04/22/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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When I refered to petty examples of discrimination, the main example in my mind him correcting a female support of his, encouraging her to say people kind instea dof mankind. I dont recall mentioning the mosque shooting.
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So over five years he wasted his breath with a joke comment about "people kind"

Linked to an example of him mentioning the mosque shoooting,
he spoke about it numerous times over the years

spent a lot of breath on it as an issue impacting Canadian society, ya know?

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Idk what you even mean about the smoking pot being comparable to racism. Didnt say that at all. Thanks for implying im a bad person.
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Among the other drugs, Obama was the first president to push the envelope on admitting to smoking pot
with the previous cop-out having been "I didn't inhale" rather than "that was the point"

Thanks for attempting to play the victim,
the girl with the bong-smoking avatar was definitely making some comment about you being a bad person rather than recognizing Obama's drug intake

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I'm not talking about the "implications of his blackface" im sinply piitning out that Obama never relied on his image being the guy who would never do cocaine. people knew he was a little crazy as a kid. so it wasnt a scandal. even though it could have been if someone had used it against him first.
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Obama was also honest about his citizenship, but there was a huge made up scanadal that he was foreign-born

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however Trudeau relied on his wokeness so when he did something not so woke there was a scandal.
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A scandal among people who did not take his efforts to act against racism seriously
and maybe a handful of people who respected the policy work but did not consider it far enough

for those who took his "wokeness" seriously as he tabled legislation over his 5 years, it was a bit of his past that was not important compared to what he was doing
beyond spending breath

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BANANA.MAN said:
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not really sure what your problem with my post was.




All I did was point out that your conclusion was wrong if relying on the examples you provided:
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BANANA.MAN said:
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Trudeau on the other hand spent all his breath for 5 years talking about racism and discrimination, citing the most petty supposed examples. Then it comes out that he had done black face... and brown face. Didnt he paint his skin like three times atleast? lol. So everyone can point and laugh at him and call him a hypocrite and a phony politician.

You can absolutely destroy a candidate who relies on a clean or sophisticated image with a little dirt or a slip up. Trump does not rely on those.




Trudeau was not even slightly destroyed by the dirt you claim makes it fun to call him a phony politician
he held on to the highest office in Canada despite opponents calling him racist
Scheer, who we could at least also recognize held to a clean and sophisticated image
bombed himself to being voted replaced with a single scandal of less social intrigue

Scheer, as provided in my initial response, would make a better example of your closing "point" to your statement
and is in the same time frame as Trump and Trudeau

Would have left it alone
but Trudeau continuing to hold office breeds a lot of resentment in me -- because some of his earliest acts in office since being reelected has been racist treatment of First Nations with regards to the blockade
and even more recently his government is coming under fire for discriminatory treatment of indigenous people when dealing with Covid-19

but the super-woke fake-hysteria anti-Trudeau folk who want to remind everyone he did blackface
don't care about holding him accountable for issues of racial discrimination
so the legitimate complaints get drowned in the lolsy meme


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 2
    #26620747 - 04/22/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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In light of recent world events, I'm doing a giveaway.



That's awesome Man! I commented on it but please check this out people


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26620760 - 04/22/20 06:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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When I refered to petty examples of discrimination, the main example in my mind was him correcting a female support of his, encouraging her to say people kind instead of mankind.




Have you watched the whole video of that? The woman asking the question kept trying to promote some kind of feminist cult she belonged to. By "correcting" her on apparently not using PC enough language he was just trying to break off her rant with a crappy joke.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Tantrika] * 2
    #26620773 - 04/22/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ok if you are so bothered I'll rephrase it.

Trudeau relied heavily on his woke image. so there was a sancal when pictures of him in blackface surfaced.

Obama was open about having used drugs so nobody could use that to tarnish his reputation, because his reputation wasnt based on being a person who wouldnt use drugs.

I do appologize for being hyperbolic. But also I didnt even mean all his breath was spent on that throughout the 5 years. I didnt say everything he said was wasted breath. I meant it was a recuring theme for him to be petty with his wokeness and go out looking for bones to pick throughout the 5 years. so im not saying him condemning the mosque shooting was wasted breath, im not saying him saying the sky is blue is wasted breath. I think you're smart enough that you should have deduced that on your own. Its called hyperbole. No need to represent the exact image of petty Trudeau, looking for "problematic language".


Lol if I passively aggressively implied that you took racism lightly I'm sure you wouldnt be pleaesd. The examples dont have to carry equal moral weight to support my point. If accusing someone of not taking racism seriously then replying to their objection with 'what I wasnt doing anything, you're being such a victim' isn't gas lighting idk what is.

I have no clue what the citizenship issue has to do with my point about trump at all. That was completely out of the blue.

I'm sorry I didnt use a pre approved Tantrika example. is there a list of individuals that are ok or not ok to use as examples for certain purposes?

Scheer was never PM. Obama and Trudeau acctually held the highest office in their respective nations like Trump. they are his peers, not Scheer.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: psi] * 1
    #26620786 - 04/22/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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psi said:
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BANANA.MAN said:
When I refered to petty examples of discrimination, the main example in my mind was him correcting a female support of his, encouraging her to say people kind instead of mankind.




Have you watched the whole video of that? The woman asking the question kept trying to promote some kind of feminist cult she belonged to. By "correcting" her on apparently not using PC enough language he was just trying to break off her rant with a crappy joke.



I havent seen the fu.l video to be honest. The fact that everyone cheered in agreement rather than laughed is what made it seem legit (I think a good portion of the crowd probably thought he was being legit.)  but that does make sense. My mistake. I geuss I just hopped on the meme train and never looked back.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26620797 - 04/22/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Mortality rate is deaths/population. 30,000 to 60,000 people die from the flu in the US every year. 30,000/330,000,000 = .009% low or .018% high

The mortality rate of covid is AT least .18% (if nobody else died, but we aren’t even half way through deaths)

.18% is 10 times higher than the high end mortality rate for the flu.

The thing about mortality rates is the number of cases is irrelevant



Ok well seeing as there are 48,000 deaths right now, the us mortality rate
Is actually 48,000/330,000,000 x 100 = .015%

Not sure how you're getting .18


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26620801 - 04/22/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Being Politically correct offers people a way to give off the appearance of kindness without actually having to be genuinely kind.

It’s very hands for the perfidious type.

I care much more for genuine kindness even if they aren’t politically correct.  I can sense through the words a lot of times and care less about if they spoke in a way that offended someone unintentionally.

Pc culture is like the illusion of compass, and underneath is usually something much more akin to a demon than a Bodhisatva.

Much like the many adored cult leaders who maintain an air of enlightened indifference in public ,  only to be unmasked years later through their own private affairs  as a predatory grifting trickster of the lowest degree.

Much like so many politicians and other power hungry individuals.

PC is like a dual purpose tool for them-  both armor and weapon.  Both a cloak and a dagger. Like  A duplicitous magic show beguiling those who watch.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26620802 - 04/22/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I think part of the reason they were cheering was that they wanted her to shut up too.


The blackface thing did help to kill his PC saint image. The SNC Lavalin thing too. But ultimately it didn't kill him politically, he scraped through the election and kept the PM job. Partly because Scheer did not present a compelling enough alternative.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26620825 - 04/22/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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koods said:
Mortality rate is deaths/population. 30,000 to 60,000 people die from the flu in the US every year. 30,000/330,000,000 = .009% low or .018% high

The mortality rate of covid is AT least .18% (if nobody else died, but we aren’t even half way through deaths)

.18% is 10 times higher than the high end mortality rate for the flu.

The thing about mortality rates is the number of cases is irrelevant



Ok well seeing as there are 48,000 deaths right now, the us mortality rate
Is actually 48,000/330,000,000 x 100 = .015%

Not sure how you're getting .18



That’s the mortality rate in NYC.

2000 people died of the flu in NYC in 2018

14996 people have died of Covid-19 in NYC since March 11

The lethality of flu isn’t even close to covid, as some in this thread suggest


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26620844 - 04/22/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
Ok if you are so bothered I'll rephrase it.
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Me: The reason it bothers me is because it trivializes Trudeaus recent acts of institutionally impacting racism
Banana: Okay, I'll act like how I said it bothers you and rephrase it because now I realize how shitty my initial wording made my look

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Trudeau relied heavily on his woke image. so there was a sancal when pictures of him in blackface surfaced.
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Trudeau passed pro-minority legislation, recognized minority issues, took part in minority events
so people who don't like those things labeled him "woke"
so when there were pictures of him in blackface and brownface that surfaced
a bunch of people went "OMG DOESN'T HIS CLEAR HYPOCRISY PISS YOU OFF!?!?!"
and the general sentiment was that the things he was doing in office while wielding institutional power was more important than the things he did in the past

the Great Canadian Indifference
we can be so apathetic sometimes
but what are ya gonna do, eh?

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Obama was open about having used drugs so nobody could use that to tarnish his reputation, because his reputation wasnt based on being a person who wouldnt use drugs.
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Lol if I passively aggressively implied that you took racism lightly I'm sure you wouldnt be pleaesd. The examples dont have to carry equal moral weight to support my point. If accusing someone of not taking racism seriously then replying to their objection with 'what I wasnt doing anything, you're being such a victim' isn't gas lighting idk what is.
...




You compared Trudeau's racism to Obama's drug use
I refered to that as comparing racism to smoking pot, as Obama has a famous presidential quote with regards to cannabis intake

you flipped out and acted like I had painted you as having done something you had not done

you don't know what gas lighting is, apparently
because none of this even remotely pertains to your sanity, just your cognitive capability to comprehend a statement that draws upon your own provided data

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I do appologize for being hyperbolic. But also I didnt even mean all his breath was spent on that throughout the 5 years. I didnt say everything he said was wasted breath. I meant it was a recuring theme for him to be petty with his wokeness and go out looking for bones to pick throughout the 5 years. so im not saying him condemning the mosque shooting was wasted breath, im not saying him saying the sky is blue is wasted breath. I think you're smart enough that you should have deduced that on your own. Its called hyperbole. No need to represent the exact image of petty Trudeau, looking for "problematic language".
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You can characterize him as cartoonishly PC if you want, it does not bother me
You can ignore the realities of how he is viewed by minority communities for his work in legislation, it does not bother me

but when you do so, and then attempt to accuse me of being salty for pointing out flaws in your shitty point,
will respond by pointing out further flaws in your point

note that none of this is me saying you subconciously wrote your post in the manner you did because you minimize things like the mosque shooting
simply asked you about the mosque shooting because it was one of the actual available points of reference of Trudeau speaking about needing to oppose discrimination due to the same example over many talks and multiple years

that thing you failed to provide, so have now gone back and tried to claim my not picking up on it as being an intellectual failing of mine rather than a misrepresentation in your initial argument

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I have no clue what the citizenship issue has to do with my point about trump at all. That was completely out of the blue.
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Trump has had made up shit thrown at him...
Obama has had made up shit thrown at him...

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BANANA.MAN said:
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I'm sorry I didnt use a pre approved Tantrika example. is there a list of individuals that are ok or not ok to use as examples for certain purposes?
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Cannot pre-approve anything without knowing what argument you intend to use
just pointed out that your argument was incorrect in the manner you were making it
and remains incorrect in the manner you are attempting to present it as having been changed

:shrug:

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Scheer was never PM. Obama and Trudeau acctually held the highest office in their respective nations like Trump. they are his peers, not Scheer.




So then the logical conclusion of your position would be that people who hold the highest office are not unseated by scandals
unless Trump manages the unlikely event of a loss in November
at which point, he would be the only leader of the three to not see a second term after going through a scandal in his first term

which he may very well be if the Covid epidemic in his country continues on long enough
meanwhile Trudeau is early in his second term and can shortchange First Nations who were statistical shown to be hit hard by previous disease (H1N1) outbreak in Canada

and it won't even be a blip on the radar -- Trudeau is the real gross example of meaningful criticisms not sticking


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Tantrika]
    #26620903 - 04/22/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

holy crap I'm not reading that. I dont care nearly enough about my throw away observation to even skim it.

Excuse me for using hyperbole in an informal setting.

I was literally just saying character attacks involving Trump's intelligence or manors for example arent effective because his image doesnt rely on those.

You're really arguing that much because you didnt like the example I used to demonstrate that point? my goodness.

You win. congratulations


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 3
    #26620915 - 04/22/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Crazy cat people listen up

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Two pet cats tested positive for coronavirus in what federal officials are calling the first known cases in companion animals in the United States. Both cats have mild respiratory illnesses and are expected to recover.




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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods] * 2
    #26620922 - 04/22/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Crazy cat people listen up

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Two pet cats tested positive for coronavirus in what federal officials are calling the first known cases in companion animals in the United States. Both cats have mild respiratory illnesses and are expected to recover.









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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: RebeccaBlack] * 5
    #26620924 - 04/22/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26620925 - 04/22/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
holy crap I'm not reading that. I dont care nearly enough about my throw away observation to even skim it.
...




Read it, but wants to look big, will proceed to respond on a multi-point basis

People used to do this all the time when publicly citing them their infractions as a moderator

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BANANA.MAN said:
Excuse me for using hyperbole in an informal setting.





you're excused, but you still have not touched on the thread topic of the Covid virus in some time
and am already waiting on my warning for taking the ride along with you

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I was literally just saying character attacks involving Trump's intelligence or manors for example arent effective because his image doesnt rely on those.
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and I literally just pointed out that none of the examples you provided were effective
but you are so caught up in your T(rudeau)DS, that you want to think your laughing at him means everyone is laughing at him

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BANANA.MAN said:
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You're really arguing that much because you didnt like the example I used to demonstrate that point? my goodness.
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No, made a simple three-line post in response to the faulty nature of the example you used and how it failed to demonstrate the point you were claiming
you took my correcting you as an attack on your ego, and tried to strike back with reference to me being "salty"
so have used our conversation to mention actual instances of Trudeau's racism, including in manners related to the thread topic,
and watched you ignore them and brush them off

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You win. congratulations




It was never a competition for me,
simply a correction of an erroneous statement
that you took way too personally


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26620929 - 04/22/20 07:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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koods said:
Crazy cat people listen up

Quote:

Two pet cats tested positive for coronavirus in what federal officials are calling the first known cases in companion animals in the United States. Both cats have mild respiratory illnesses and are expected to recover.







this seemed likely when big cats at zoos caught it

dogs are still in the clear as far as we know, right?

suppose none of the pets roam around in a community setting to be concerned aside from existing risk of bringing it home

going to the blood clinic tomorrow, their requirements for covid exist but are pretty basic
proper mask, interviewed at the door to make sure to not be an individual likely at-risk for spreading covid

but have to go in alone this time and normally Mommy holds my hand QQ


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