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MycTyson99
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My first grow
#26620770 - 04/22/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hi Guys,
For those who happen to be lurking or also doing their first grow I hope you find this encouraging and hopefully helpfull. I'd also appreciate any corrections or suggestions from anyone with some experience with these TEKs or updates that I may have missed.it's quite easy to get lost in a thread that's 12 years old. 
Its been a long road to finally getting my first grow going due to difficulty finding spores and space to grow. I have recently sourced some spores and hoping they will arrive in the next few days and obviously hoping they are clean. I'm hoping to avoid agar work this time around and getting into that once I have had my first few flushes.
I have been reading a lot of content on here in light of the current situation and being confined to home and have come across a lot of TEKs but the simplest and most to the point I have come accross would have to be the work of Bodhisatta's "all in one place links" Check him out, he's an absolute legend! I decided to make BRF Cakes Using Bod's easy AF cheapest way to get started by yourself no need for a pressure cooker and spawn to a mono tub using Bod's Unmodified Monotub TEK. I have decided to split the spawn across two smaller tubs to not put all my eggs in one basket.
I'm hoping to get away with boiling my BRF jars to sterilise initially as I couldn't quite justify spending $150 on a Pressure Cooker... YET. I intend on using a SAB for inoculation and if/when fully colonised just doing a bucket pasturisation TEK to pasturise my Coir&Verm Bulk SS using Bod's easy AF bucket tek.
I will be growing in a walk in Wardrobe so I am slightly concerned about the quality of light but from my understanding it seems like this isn't a crucial part and will only affect aesthetics granted there is some light. Is this correct?
I am extremely grateful for this forum and the active members who are extremely helpfull and very patient.
Any advice is encouraged and appreciated!
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MychaelJackson

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Congrats on finally getting started man i started reading into this stuff when i was 14 and i just started growing last year (27 now) so i know the feeling!
You'll definitely be fine boiling your BRF jars no problems! Just don't take any shortcuts along the way and everything will work out.
From my understanding light is a pinning trigger and also tells the mushrooms which way to grow? I dont know if it does a lot beyond that, im sure someone more experienced can tell you but i think lighting is definitely lower on the needs spectrum than FAE, RH etc.
I hope you find success my man and best of luck
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Enkidu
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I wouldn't do it without light. So i couldnt say.
It shouldn't be hard to get a light. 6500k
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24945782
A PC is $150?
I thought you could get one for like $60 or less
Oh and as far as i know light is not a pinning trigger. But light is apparently beneficial from what people say. The light does give it aim
But like i said, never tried without so idk what happens to the grow if its not there
Edited by Enkidu (04/22/20 07:31 PM)
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Quote:
From my understanding light is a pinning trigger and also tells the mushrooms which way to grow?
Common misconceptions. Neither of those are dependent on light (moisture evaporation is pinning's trigger, from what I remember) but light is beneficial at all stages. That said, it won't be until you spawn it into tubs that you'll need additional lighting (a 6500K grow light).
Anyway, sounds like you have a fairly solid plan. Make sure to follow the tek you linked in order to properly steam sterilize your jars, and later you can take any fully colonized cakes to a cheese grater so you can mix it with substrate. Make spore prints with the fruits you get, or, if you have agar by then, clone them.
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Re: My first grow [Re: Enkidu]
#26620907 - 04/22/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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MychaelJackson said: Congrats on finally getting started man i started reading into this stuff when i was 14 and i just started growing last year (27 now) so i know the feeling!
AW no way man.. any reason for waiting nearly 14 years to get going?
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Enkidu said:
A PC is $150?
I thought you could get one for like $60 or less
Oh and as far as i know light is not a pinning trigger. But light is apparently beneficial from what people say. The light does give it aim
I probably should have clarified I'm growing in New Zealand and PC's are usually around the 120-150 NZD mark. Definately on the wish list but I have gone a bit overboard with supplies already. haha
Also should add that there is light in the wardrobe as its a big walk in Robe so i plan on leaving the light on during the day. It just wont be amazing quality. I hope this doesn't trip me up.
and thanks Methodical that was the plan. Need to get those clean spawn jars first so I won't get too far ahead of myself!
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MycTyson99
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Also seems to be a lot of confusion over the need for a casing layer in the unmodified mono tub...
I see the sense in adding a casing layer to hold the moisture content and help regulate the humididty but bod seems pretty adamant that he doesn't use a casing layer. Do you guys reckon it might be a good idea for a first time grower to do a light casing layer just to have a reference point for moisture?
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Enkidu
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I would recommend shoeboxes and not a mono
I would also recommend when you spawn, save some coir verm mixture and dont use it.
Mix your boxes and then apply a thin layer of pure coir and verm over top
Yeah i suppose supplies can add up
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MycTyson99
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Re: My first grow [Re: Enkidu]
#26620977 - 04/22/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah I plan on running two 21 L tubs. Just seemed like it may double my odds of avoiding contams (Or the opposite)
I might just do one tub with a casing Layer and one without.
First things first.. Successfully inoculate.
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Shoeboxes are definitely the way to go, at least when you're starting out.
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MycTyson99 said: boiling my BRF jars to sterilize
Unmodified tubs like Shoeboxes (that you're talking about doing) are made from grain spawn and Coco coir, also referred to as 'bulk substrates'. But you're also talking about doing BRF cakes those are the opposite of bulk substrates and are normally fruited inside a FC. Unlike PF Tek cakes, working with grain bulk substrates requires a PC. But all this info is in the Tek's themselves. So just read up on the Tek's and don't skim through texts or skip steps and you'll be fine Gl
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Re: My first grow [Re: Mateja]
#26629016 - 04/26/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would also recommend brf to bulk shoeboxes. Check out this BRF to bulk thread https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24945782
Edit: I see you already have 21L tubs but the idea is the same for those too
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Re: My first grow [Re: Corundum]
#26629163 - 04/26/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Personally I'd feel reluctant to spawn steam sterilized cakes inoculated with spore solution for my very first project. I'd stick to the more reliable methods. One of (if not the) most important part of the of PF Tek recipe is to create a substrate with an environment that is optimized for cubensis colonization (wide mouth 1/2 pint jars and 4 inoculation spots in a porous, and dry substrate) and at the same time is far from optimal when it comes to sustain a bacterial colony, and thus the reason why BRF cakes can be consistently successfully fruited with normal-dirty syringes. To spawn cakes would kind of defeat the purpose of using the PF Tek in the first place imo. Inoculated with clean live culture inoculate, then spawning cskes suddenly becomes an option again. But yeah, nothing wrong with spawning clean cakes to coir, except maybe will take a couple of weeks longer to fruit.
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Re: My first grow [Re: Mateja]
#26629306 - 04/26/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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So like mateah said..syringes are often at least a little dirty, for whatever reason brf cakes seem to be really resistant to most things in the syringes. But once you go spawning those cakes to bulk you might find that they don’t recover / colonize and something else might get hold instead, when the cake by itself would’ve fruited had it just been tossed in a FC.
You can obvi do whatever you like but as a suggestion I would keep maybe 6 cakes as regular cakes in a small humidity chamber and use your others to spawn to bulk. That way you get something to clone with / make spore prints pretty much no matter what and if the bulk works out too then 🥳🥳🍄🍄
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Re: My first grow [Re: Mateja]
#26629410 - 04/26/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mateah said: One of (if not the) most important part of the of PF Tek recipe is to create a substrate with an environment that is optimized for cubensis colonization (wide mouth 1/2 pint jars and 4 inoculation spots in a porous, and dry substrate) and at the same time is far from optimal when it comes to sustain a bacterial colony, and thus the reason why BRF cakes can be consistently successfully fruited with normal-dirty syringes. To spawn cakes would kind of defeat the purpose of using the PF Tek in the first place imo.
That basically means that PF cakes are clean and ready to spawn to bulk. I don't see how there's any conflicting ideas here.
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Re: My first grow [Re: poisoned] 1
#26629535 - 04/26/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I dont get the deal with spawning cakes to bulk either
Dont see the issue
Lots of people seem to do it
I use grain but if i had to do cakes for whatever reason i would still spawn to bulk in a shoebox
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Re: My first grow [Re: Enkidu]
#26629610 - 04/26/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, I don't see a reason to deal with those massive tubs when you're growing cakes. Massive tubs are for massive yields.
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Re: My first grow [Re: Enkidu]
#26629651 - 04/26/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thank you!
I hate the BRF to bulk idea.. I think a did a post about it once.
Meteah has a great point. Also if you have a bad cake because of a dirty syringe it is going to take off and be noticable in the jar before it is spawned. That is one of the reason you see lots of PF grows that are successful. The contaminated jars never make it to the FC.
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MycTyson99
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Re: My first grow [Re: Sockadin]
#26637403 - 04/29/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hi team,
Appreciate the input here and I think the idea for spawning a couple of cakes to bulk and leaving the the rest and growing directly from cakes.
I've seen plenty of grows using the BRF to Bulk method and thought it was pretty standard but I'm having second thoughts now.
Jars are inoculated so I still have some time to consider.
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I have spawned cakes to bulk many times. Especially when there is nothing else left but rice in the cupboards. Works great in a pinch.
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Enkidu
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Re: My first grow [Re: Mushit]
#26638252 - 04/30/20 04:34 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Brf to bulk is fine bro
Do it
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