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testing883
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Penis Envys
#26620558 - 04/22/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hi All,
I am an inexperienced grower. I grow through trial and error, I get a bag or two going every fews months but that's it. So prior to anyone reading this and thinking man, this guy is stupid, keep in mind, it's just a small little side hobby. I don't really deeply care if a batch fails or succeeds. If it fails it's not meant to be.
My most recent experiment is with growing Penis Envy's. In the past I have grown Golden Teachers successfully (and unsuccessfully for that matter due to pests lol). These Penis Envy's however are far less resistant to contamination so it was much easier for me to fuck these up. I grow in bags. When they start to pin, I place them in a closed off tub with tin foil on the bottom and cut the bag. I had two bags on this most recent experiment. The first bag, once I transferred the brick to the tub, the following day, I saw what I believe was green small patches of a contam that was starting to propagate my mycelium. After sending a picture to my buddy, he thought it looks more blue than green and it was likely just bruising. I'm not sure one way or another but either way, for some reason I decided I was going to spray down the areas with a bit of vinegar. My logic in thinking this was that possibly I could kill off the mold areas and there was enough mycelium that would be unaffected, the bruising would heal and some mycelium would remain healthy. Well since then, I have started to have a gold type of mold begin to propagate the areas I sprayed with vinegar. Other parts of the brick still appear to be growing fine. Although, that's just what I think bc I have never grown penis envy's before. They looked strange when they started growing before the infection and I read online that PE's can look this way when grown in a bag. So I guess my question is on this batch, what are the risks of eating mushrooms that have a contam of some sort? I know that the Golden Teachers I grew previously, by the time the third flush came about, a significant amount of green mold was growing on top of the brick I had them growing in and me and a friend ate those, were fine and probably had one of the more intense trips of our lives. My friend seems to think that the contams only really affect the mycelium and not the mushrooms as the mushrooms have beat out the infection. Is this true? In the picture of the one batch, do these look like normal early stage PE's?
My next question is on a second batch. I have that growing in a separate tub that I just transferred today. I believe these have a bacteria contam on them because of a brownish looking substance that is hardened on top of the caps that are starting to form. Although, again I cannot tell because they were pressing into the plastic of the bag when sprouting. Therefore, I believe maybe it's possible that it's just the caps that had their growth interfered with and are just looking strange?
Appreciate anyone's time in advance! I love the feedback I have received through this community! I understand I could research this stuff in depth myself but sometimes human experience is far more effective than what the internet has to offer.
Batch 1

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MpSeph
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I Don't Have A Clue What Tek Your Using My Friend, But Those Mushrooms Have No Upwards Airflow Whatsoever & That Is Why They Look The Way They Do. I've Never Seen So Much Tin Foil In A Grow Before.
You Need Proper FAE (Fresh Air Exchange) When Growing Mushrooms. The Tin Foil Is Only To Prevent The Cake From Directly Touching The Perlite & Should Only Be As Big As The Bottom Of The Cake In Any Situation.
With That Being Said The Green Mold You Are Referring To Is Trichoderma & Is Harmless To Humans But Detrimental To Future Grows. Mushrooms That Grow On A Contaminated Cake Are Still Fine Unless There Is Mold On The Mushrooms Themselves.
Mushrooms Don't Have Root Systems Like Plants, They Don't "Soak Up" Contams Present In The Substrate.
Some Of Those Mushrooms Look Okay, But Some Look Very Strange & I'm Not Totally Sure If That Is Because Of Conditions Or Genetics Or Contams On The Mushrooms.
Wait For A TC To Chime In.
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Re: Penis Envys [Re: MpSeph]
#26620723 - 04/22/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the reply! Basically what I have been doing is just inoculating through the injection port in an all in one bag. Then I wait for the mycelium to propagate that bag and once is at an amount where I can disrupt the mycelium without significantly damaging the growth, shake it up and then repeat a few weeks later. I cut the bag when it's time and let them sit until they pin. Once they pin a decent bit I just stick then in a tub with some tin foil at the bottom and let them sit with fanning and misting once a day. My logic on the tin foil was to allow reflection of UV rays from the sunlight to the areas that aren't facing the sun and are facing the wall. Your probably right though. It's probably unnecessary but I have had some grows with Golden Teachers that I've been able to harvest a few hundred grams that were perfectly healthy. The only contam I've ever gotten was with pests which is why I'm paranoid to start cutting holes and filling with poly. These ones are turning out strange as hell though so maybe I will have to do that.
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Well, it’s hard to say if that’s mold or metabolites.. looks pretty dusty, so probably mold. Moral of the story, don’t spray vinegar on your substrates. Is it growing at all or did the myc just turn that color? Does it rub off in a powder?
Mushrooms look like what PE does.. they’re blobs.. they’re still good to eat, unless that is mold and it’s on the fruit.. just wouldn’t eat any fruits with mold on it. No mold = fine to eat. If you do get to take those blocks to another flush, you’ll probably get regular looking fruits in subsequent flushes.
Don’t worry about the brown on top of the 2nd batch... blobs just do that. There could be pseudomonas (bacteria) but that’s more like something eating holes through the caps. If you are worried about bacteria, heat dry them (dehydrator) or make tea with them, but I’d eat em. You know when they’re done growing when they get soft.. bet you have a couple days left on them.
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Appreciate the reply! Lol, yes it was definitely a stupid move and I immediately regretted it.
They are still growing in the areas that are not discolored. I just tried to touch it, and the yellow stuff stick on the brick pretty well and what little does come off when trying to touch it also sticks together pretty well for the most part. Does that indicate it is mold or it is metabolites?
That is good info to know that they just look like that. I read that but they still looked super unusual to me but I haven't grown them before so I had no idea whether they were fruiting normally or not.
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Take a piece of white paper and try to smear a bit on it.. if it doesn’t smear like a colored powder or dust would, then it’s probably just a discoloration of the myc due to the vinegar.. meaning it’s not mold. Probably not healthy myc and could turn moldy but I’d just keep an eye on it and see if it starts to turn white again or another color indicating some kind of mold
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Re: Penis Envys [Re: MpSeph]
#26620959 - 04/22/20 08:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
MpSeph said: The Green Mold You Are Referring To Is Trichoderma & Is Harmless To Humans
Actually there are varieties that are toxic to humans and they can infect people who are immunocompromised
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MpSeph
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Correct, Though Said Person Would Have To Be Living In A Hospital, Nursing Home, Or Very Sanitized Environment, Because Trich Is Everywhere, In Every Inch Of Soil.
Most Homes Have Hidden Molds In The Walls Which Can Make New Home Owners Sick At First, But After Living In The House For Awhile, They Will Become Immune To It, It Would Take An Incredibly Large Amount To Kill Someone.
Any Food Grown From The Ground, Was Grown With Trich & Many Other Contaminations, However We Eat Potatoes, Carrots, Beets, Peanuts, Etc.. All Day Long.
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Both MpSteph and Fahtster were right. I did need to oxygenate the tub and that is not mold or a contam. After lifting the lid for a bit tonight it's healing. It's visibly turning white again. I didn't even let it air out for that long either and there is a significant difference. Otherwise, I guess it could be a contam that the myc is fighting off and winning the battle with. Appreciate both your help!
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MpSeph
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No Prob, I'd Trim The Foil & Fan 5-6 Times A Day If Possible.
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