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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods] 4
#26620079 - 04/22/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I feel so bad for those kids having to be brought up by those people.
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ShroomerInTheRye said: 2 Californians died of coronavirus weeks before the 1st previously known US Case
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/us/california-deaths-earliest-in-us/index.html
These people died between February 6th and 17th, about 3 weeks before the previously first known case. They did not have any travel history or obvious exposure. Scientists believe it was community spread.
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"That means there was community spread happening in California as early as mid-January, if not earlier than that," Jha said. (Dr. Ashish K. Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute)
Thank you.
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pirate-blues said: Right on, thanks for the tips guys. I guess I have to get on the phone and use a little polite persuasion.
On another note, we just got a call from my grandmas nursing home. Case count went from 7 with 1 death and 1 hospitalization, to 16 cases with the death tally now up to 3.
This is downstairs from my grandmother who in a higher level of care. It's all sequestered off now, and there are even some RN's that work with my grandmother's section who are locking down with everyone. No one comes in, no one goes out.
It's scary, but damn, I am impressed with how well this facility has been dealing with it. They're kind of a jesus-freak place, but they have been so forthcoming, communicable, and kind. And more than ever I'm super happy that it's only RNs that work with my grandmother instead of a bunch of overworked underpaid CNAs who are in over their head.
There's no excuse for abandoning people in a care home during this time, but 12 dollars(I've seen some that pay as low as 10!) a fucking hour isn't enough even in the best of times.
I'm not sure what happened but if it's a plain as day mistake on their end Progressive will fix it.
Every insurance company in the country is fighting back on claims right now because they've lost huge amounts of money. In part because some states forced them to forgive people not paying their bills.
And others have voluntarily made forgiveness measures.
And alot of people are tying up their shit by trying to get losses related to covid covered. Which... um... most people didn't have pandemic coverage (yes that's a thing) so no the insurance companies aren't paying for that. An insurance policy is a contract. If something isn't covered by the contract then neither party is obligated to uphold it.
I do believe the correct term for this situation is shit out of luck. But that's mostly businesses. Just understand that that sort of thing is tying up alot of resources right now.
I feel incredibly bad about the nursing home situations but dear god do I hope we realize how vulnerable we have made the elderly because of the way we've set up our society and we need to fucking fix it.
The casualties have been so high here, the containment methods so ineffective, that nursing home directors are urging people to get their loved ones out. Of course... some can't. Some genuinely cannot be cared for at home. And these, also, are the most vulnerable.
The decision to continue to try people who get infected at nursing homes instead of in a hospital... I can see the reasoning behind it but it's probably a huge reason why it runs rampant in the nursing homes even when they catch and try to contain cases.
The staff don't have the resources or training (or in some cases energy) to protect themselves. They can't protect the patients they were already being overwhelmed with.
I'm sorry but 90% of how nursing homes are set up, and that that's become normalized and "just the way things are", fucking disgusts me.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Tantrika]
#26620168 - 04/22/20 02:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: ... Trudeau on the other hand spent all his breath for 5 years talking about racism and discrimination, citing the most petty supposed examples. Then it comes out that he had done black face... and brown face. Didnt he paint his skin like three times atleast? lol. So everyone can point and laugh at him and call him a hypocrite and a phony politician. ...
Trudeau managed to come out of the scandal smelling like a rose with minorities defending him because of the work he has done since that point
the only people still laughing at him and calling him a hypocrite for it seem to be the ones who were so certain he was going to lose the election because of it
instead, the Conservatives are the ones scrambling for a new leader because their own ended up being corrupt and spending party money on private schooling for his kids
but the people who dont like him can use it as a club to call him dishonest, hypocritical, bad. Whereas Obama was open.
Do I detect some salt? I'm not trying to argue about liberals vs conservatives im pointing out two contrasting situations. one of them happens to involve trudeau. No need to get defensive about it.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: lowbrow] 1
#26620188 - 04/22/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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lowbrow said: Democrats should of went with Tulsi.
Democrats have no control over their party
Neither do republicans
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods] 1
#26620191 - 04/22/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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koods said: Mortality rate is deaths/population. 30,000 to 60,000 people die from the flu in the US every year. 30,000/330,000,000 = .009% low or .018% high
The mortality rate of covid is AT least .18% (if nobody else died, but we aren’t even half way through deaths)
.18% is 10 times higher than the high end mortality rate for the flu.
The thing about mortality rates is the number of cases is irrelevant
In what world do we use total population to calculate mortality rate?
Deaths/cases with outcomes is the mortality rate. Otherwise it's a useless metric.
Lol what? Deaths per case is the case fatality rate. Death/population deaths is the mortality rate. AKA deaths per capita . Whenever you see deaths per 100,000 for example. That is the mortality rate.
You're right. I looked it up.
Number in infections per capita is interesting. Case fatality rate as well. I don't see what we learn from the mortality rate.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26620198 - 04/22/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said:
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Tantrika said:
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BANANA.MAN said: ... Trudeau on the other hand spent all his breath for 5 years talking about racism and discrimination, citing the most petty supposed examples. Then it comes out that he had done black face... and brown face. Didnt he paint his skin like three times atleast? lol. So everyone can point and laugh at him and call him a hypocrite and a phony politician. ...
Trudeau managed to come out of the scandal smelling like a rose with minorities defending him because of the work he has done since that point
the only people still laughing at him and calling him a hypocrite for it seem to be the ones who were so certain he was going to lose the election because of it
instead, the Conservatives are the ones scrambling for a new leader because their own ended up being corrupt and spending party money on private schooling for his kids
but the people who dont like him can use it as a club to call him dishonest, hypocritical, bad. Whereas Obama was open.
Do I detect some salt? I'm not trying to argue about liberals vs conservatives im pointing out two contrasting situations. one of them happens to involve trudeau. No need to get defensive about it.
What salt? Was not arguing Liberals vs Conservatives either, was pointing out two contrasting situations One of them happens to involve Trudeau coming out of scandal unscathed, one happens to involve Scheer coming out of scandal damaging his political position these are the real parallels that took place in our country
So, yeah, people who dislike Trudeau have the same ineffective club they had before they'll hit him with it, he'll apologize
while people who supported the policies he enacted over the 5 years that you whined were "the most petty examples" (could you be more specific? do you mean him pointing to racism causing the Mosque shooting in Québec?) feel he has worked off whatever social debt one incrues by being racist in younger years
if you want to explore the precise implications of his black face, perhaps compare it to another politician who has been discovered to have done black face but didn't have Trudeau's comfy cushion to land on unless you really think that smoking pot is comparable to racism
PS -- my most recent resentment against Trudeau is with regards to his treatment of Indigenous communities with regards to the blockade how about you?
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https://apple.news/A4xgXeKBVTNaHSKoUmvpFtw
Trump has reassigned the head of vaccine development at HHS because he wouldn’t promote hydroxychloroquine.
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Dr. Rick Bright had led BARDA, the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, since 2016 until Tuesday, when was reassigned to a narrower position. He also announced he will file a whistleblower complaint with the Department of Health and Human Services' inspector general. "I believe this transfer was in response to my insistence that the government invest the billions of dollars allocated by Congress to address the Covid-19 pandemic into safe and scientifically vetted solutions, and not in drugs, vaccines and other technologies that lack scientific merit," Bright said in a lengthy statement issued Wednesday. "I am speaking out because to combat this deadly virus, science -- not politics or cronyism -- has to lead the way." He cited "clashes with political leadership" as a reason for his sidelining, as well as his resistance to "efforts to fund potentially dangerous drugs promoted by those with political connections."
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
#26620333 - 04/22/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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What a fucker!
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
#26620357 - 04/22/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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He needs to reassign that Kissmekia beyotch to the mail room or unemployment office...
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Amanita86]
#26620367 - 04/22/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why is Trump so into hydroxychloroquine? He has absolutely no science background to justify giving his opinion publicly.
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People have pet theories they cling to religiously and Trump can’t be told he’s wrong.
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Daijo said: Why is Trump so into hydroxychloroquine? He has absolutely no science background to justify giving his opinion publicly.
I think he always needs to have an answer. That’s what he picked in that moment.
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pirate-blues said: Fuck, I hate that people are dragging their kids out to this shit.
But at least this lady is just admitting that she has 0 empathy and doesn't care about other people.
Or is she bravely holding up a mirror to logical conclusion of the protest?
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
#26620422 - 04/22/20 04:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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koods said: People have pet theories they cling to religiously and Trump can’t be told he’s wrong.
Why did he say anything to begin with. No doctor would ever had the guts to promote a drug before proper trials.
Isn't it illegal in the state to promote a drug without mentioning the thousands of side-effects?
Who the fuck does Trump answer to and how come so much seems permitted while no other president went as far in his lack of professionalism?
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I noticed when the whole vaping/lung illness was going on and he would make a statement that he was being spoon fed what he said. What he said wasn’t his thoughts or beliefs, he was playing parrot. Someone probably mentioned it to him and he took it and ran with it. He’s not an ‘expert’..
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Amanita86] 1
#26620458 - 04/22/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Of course, he won't take responsibility for what he says.
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Daijo said:
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koods said: People have pet theories they cling to religiously and Trump can’t be told he’s wrong.
Why did he say anything to begin with. No doctor would ever had the guts to promote a drug before proper trials.
Isn't it illegal in the state to promote a drug without mentioning the thousands of side-effects?
Who the fuck does Trump answer to and how come so much seems permitted while no other president went as far in his lack of professionalism?
Not sure what got it in his head, but one of his high profile twitter followers began pushing that French study in his twitter feed right before he started talking about it
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN] 1
#26620517 - 04/22/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Near Dylan said: Bill Burr made the point that almost every time Trump talks, he says something that would torpedo anyone else's political career. Guy is pretty untouchable... His followers have different standards.
Everyone already knew what they were signing up for with trump. Its not like they found out hes some big phony who pretended to be a proffessional politician.
Everyone knew the guy who has had three wives and cheated on each of the previous wives with the next wife wasnt exactly a role model. you knew by the way he talked and the things he said that he wasnt the the most complex man.
Look at two otyer examples examples.
Obama admitted to using drugs when he was young. so nobody could use that against him to expose him and make him look dishonest. everyone just kind of accepted it.
Trudeau on the other hand spent all his breath for 5 years talking about racism and discrimination, citing the most petty supposed examples. Then it comes out that he had done black face... and brown face. Didnt he paint his skin like three times atleast? lol. So everyone can point and laugh at him and call him a hypocrite and a phony politician.
You can absolutely destroy a candidate who relies on a clean or sophisticated image with a little dirt or a slip up. Trump does not rely on those.
I get that Trump supporters knew what they were signing up with him and no one should be surprised by how he conducts himself but this pandemic has changed that entire equation. We don't have the luxury to play the game he always plays with the establishment. Recently when he sent out his liberate tweets I guarantee that was because he saw trump supporters and wanted to embolden that. Doing the right thing would have been acknowledging the protesters plea but condemning the way the protests are being conducted.
His own guidelines say that estate has to have a 14-day decline in cases and a lot of those states he said to liberate don't I've a 14 day decline. He's encouraging people to break the guidelines that him and the coronavirus task force of America put out. The reason? Votes. That's why he's willing to risk killing more people, that's why he's willing to confuse the shit out of people about what he's really saying, what's safe and what isn't. Another example is hydroxychloroquine during this whole thing up until the last few weeks I have almost been sold buy Trump on its effectiveness. Now we are finding out that it leads to deadly heart complications on a heart already ravaged by covid. Imagine how many people were given this drug and will face a lifetime of medical problems or possibly just died very shortly.
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The USA has now lost more people to COVID than it will to suicide all year, making it the 10th largest killer in the USA.
Don't kill yourself. Stay the fuck at home.
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What happens when you lose your home though
There’s gotta be some selective go back to work plan. I’m guessing the people building the tests are still dragging ass? I just don’t think there’s any way around it, the answer is somewhere between everyone sitting at home and everyone going out.
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