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Re: Future vision? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26617980 - 04/21/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

He said he had a bad trip I think 🤔, let’s wait for him to reply to this page.  I’m sure he’s off contemplating somewhere .. or trolling :lol:


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Re: Future vision? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26617982 - 04/21/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That is unfortunate if true :frown: one of my best friends had a bad trip while with me but it was internal. He didnt show he was having a bad trip at the time and I never heard from him again :/ mushrooms can fuck some people bad I suppose :/


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Re: Future vision? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26618008 - 04/21/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah and he mentioned having a very difficult time with his upbringing as a Christian and his family, and coming out to then as gay. 
That seems to be a theme with some of my older friends too, so knowing from them that shit fucks you up in some bad ways.  Luckily the people I know recovered and are now some of the best humans to be around and it’s a privilege to be their friend.

So there’s hope at the very least for our man Thanos,


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Re: Future vision? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26618023 - 04/21/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I hope he pulls through. My best friend is gay and had trouble growing up as well but he is amazing now as well. There is hope for you thanatos10! :shroomeryhead:


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26618255 - 04/21/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Oh I get it. I used to try with Thanatos years back in PS&P. I had to give all that up though; the man is - literally - impossible, and he's a master at spinning people out as far as they'll go.

An interesting human for sure, and I love him in my own way, but trying to help the man see anything but what he sees is the metaphorical equivalent of banging your head into a brick wall whilst feeding your balls into a juicer whilst sticking your hand in a jar full of snakes whilst an elephant tramples your house whilst a rhino runs over your car. Probably add a catastrophic meteorite that is going to destroy all civilization as we know it bearing down from the sky to complete the picture.

The only net gain, I suspect, is that Thanatos finds it amusing (although he'd probably deny even that).




I only remember showing the error in the ways of people trying to make reality to be more than what it is.

As for TBA you haven’t shown the subtleties because there aren’t any to solipsism. It boils down to ultimately making a choice between believing other people exist or that they don’t because there isn’t a way to verify either option.

My Christian upbringing didn’t do this, especially since my heart wasn’t in it and neither was me being gay. I was a kid who was fascinated by the idea of the end of the world and what it would look like.

This happened from peeling away sentimentality and human emotion to reveal the stark reality underneath it all. When I didn’t dress everything up in it I am left with a void. Seeing death as inevitable showed me that emotion on transient things is wasted. I learned that friendship is more of a drain than anything else and that people were more like playmates. The few friends showed me that I am better off alone, they were nice but needy. Eventually I saw that in order to see clearly you had to lose a lot of what it is to be human, to be almost robotic.

Now I’m left with solipsism and it’s inescapable issue of no true solution. I may not tolerate others but even the company of strangers is preferable to the cosmic loneliness and the threat of solipsism being true.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26618284 - 04/21/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I see.  Truth be told I don’t believe such a thing can be be adequately conveyed or discussed online, atleast, not in the way I would prefer.  Any or most attempts to do so are half assed on a forum, and are more than likely going to be lost in translation due to the medium were using to communicate.  But we wouldn’t be here if we did not have some drive to do so regardless.

And aren’t I right in the same position as you in life?  If this is the truth for you, wouldn’t you posit it is so for others whether or not they can see it as so?

  Let’s roll with this:  Say I admit to solipsism, which I did for a long time by the way, then let’s say we go on to convince all others in the world to admit it to themselves and they do - of their own accord after examining things clearly of course... well then what.  where do we go from there?

Any thoughts Thanatos?  do suppose we should stop operating in the world and functioning? Or Should we trust our impulses that send us signals which  cause us to feel and experience  pain the longer we resist them? And pleasure the moment we fulfill them?  What do you think?  And I’m curious why, or if you stop short of questioning the very intellect which is responsible for the discriminating measures required to evaluate, calculate, and comprehend sense data in such a way as to organize it into a philosophy that man named solipsism.

Curious, I am.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26618293 - 04/21/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Reminds me of the saying: "Stuck between a Rock and a Hard Place". What a weird saying....the Rock is a metaphor and the "Hard Place" is an euphenism. Sayings are so mysterious sometimes.

Whats ironic too is that u would want people to exist even thou u believe they could be completely imaginary. Humans are truly social creatures :strokebeard:


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Re: Future vision? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26618399 - 04/21/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I see.  Truth be told I don’t believe such a thing can be be adequately conveyed or discussed online, atleast, not in the way I would prefer.  Any or most attempts to do so are half assed on a forum, and are more than likely going to be lost in translation due to the medium were using to communicate.  But we wouldn’t be here if we did not have some drive to do so regardless.

And aren’t I right in the same position as you in life?  If this is the truth for you, wouldn’t you posit it is so for others whether or not they can see it as so?

  Let’s roll with this:  Say I admit to solipsism, which I did for a long time by the way, then let’s say we go on to convince all others in the world to admit it to themselves and they do - of their own accord after examining things clearly of course... well then what.  where do we go from there?

Any thoughts Thanatos?  do suppose we should stop operating in the world and functioning? Or Should we trust our impulses that send us signals which  cause us to feel and experience  pain the longer we resist them? And pleasure the moment we fulfill them?  What do you think?  And I’m curious why, or if you stop short of questioning the very intellect which is responsible for the discriminating measures required to evaluate, calculate, and comprehend sense data in such a way as to organize it into a philosophy that man named solipsism.

Curious, I am.




It’s seems you don’t get it still.

You keep positing other people when their existence is called into question. You assume a we when it isn’t known. Our senses cannot be verified after all but it’s all we have. We know it’s faulty  but still we go on. Even questioning the intellect is part of solipsism but nothing you have said is an argument against it. I mean you can try to undermine the parts that led to it but the conclusion still stands. All that can be known to me is that I exist and nothing else.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26618412 - 04/21/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

oh I get it alright.

But I assumed since you already have established a pattern of discussing this subject with others , myself included, that you would not nit pick when I referred to you and myself as we.  It’s a matter of standard written English.  I hope you understand, and I hoped I wouldn’t have to explain something so banal.  1+1=2, doesn’t it?  1 singular, 2 plural.  Therefore , you and I, while having a discussion, can also be referred to as “We” are having a discussion - regardless of the truth of either of our existences.  Since I cannot know you’re and you cannot know mine and we cannot be sure of our own.  But Alas!!  The appearance of 2 seemingly separate individuals remain.  And so, we seem to be having a discussion.  Got it?



Pretend for the sake of containing the line of discussion.  Isn’t that what you must be doing when communicating with me online ?

And while you might not know there is another, you aren’t not able to say that there isn’t another.  And in the potential where there is another, the other may not be the same as you- as in that other may know there is a we and a you.  While you cannot. It can.

That is, if one is to say that the aforementioned is indeed, the case.
Isn’t that so.


Although it may not stand up to cool headed examining, conventional-relative is continent for properly communicating with others, regardless of of their existence can be proven or not,

Why abandon it now, after using it all over the forums as evidenced.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26618434 - 04/21/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Look man if you can reach out and touch somebody then they are real. I dont care what you think you know.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26618526 - 04/21/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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oh I get it alright.

But I assumed since you already have established a pattern of discussing this subject with others , myself included, that you would not nit pick when I referred to you and myself as we.  It’s a matter of standard written English.  I hope you understand, and I hoped I wouldn’t have to explain something so banal.  1+1=2, doesn’t it?  1 singular, 2 plural.  Therefore , you and I, while having a discussion, can also be referred to as “We” are having a discussion - regardless of the truth of either of our existences.  Since I cannot know you’re and you cannot know mine and we cannot be sure of our own.  But Alas!!  The appearance of 2 seemingly separate individuals remain.  And so, we seem to be having a discussion.  Got it?



Pretend for the sake of containing the line of discussion.  Isn’t that what you must be doing when communicating with me online ?

And while you might not know there is another, you aren’t not able to say that there isn’t another.  And in the potential where there is another, the other may not be the same as you- as in that other may know there is a we and a you.  While you cannot. It can.

That is, if one is to say that the aforementioned is indeed, the case.
Isn’t that so.


Although it may not stand up to cool headed examining, conventional-relative is continent for properly communicating with others, regardless of of their existence can be proven or not,

Why abandon it now, after using it all over the forums as evidenced.




Because it is difficult to hold on to. All it would take for solipsism is to say that all arguments against it are figments of my mind.

Plus it seems safer to treat people like they don’t exist or aren’t real rather than suffer the incredible pain that follows in case they aren’t. It’s like bracing yourself, for your whole life. Any friendship or words of love mean little as I cannot verify if they are genuine from another person or just mental noise.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26618715 - 04/21/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

“Bracing yourself for your whole life”

:rofl: I laugh because I know exactly what your talking about first hand.  It eventually got so bad I ended up dependent upon morphine for almost a couple of years as either an adaptive or maladaptive coping mechanism of sorts.  At the time, sweet warm euphoric oblivious twilight was basically akin to a welcomed demon to my reaction to such stark, naked, bare, and sober realizations.  Self soothing you could call it

. Not that I was normally taking enough morphine to be nodding or fucked up, but still, it was enough to function as a sort of organ robot, something salient and tangible that I could know in as much as I could know anything, for as long as I continued it.  Didn’t accomplish much in those years, or ruin my life, but still.  Ran a small shop...played my cards close to my chest.  Self reliant as could be in this world.  But empty as a space shaped like hell frozen over with a small hit of morphine in the mix 3x a day.

Eventually we all vanish just like our own mind made phantoms, fade to unreality- if it’s simply nothing ; we’ll atleast I had a time with something, and if it’s something else, so be it.

But in the present moment, the phantasmagoria total display of cosmos and life and its entire content is supremely enchanting and playful.  Full of mystery and everything in between.  The mind itself, or the brain if you wish to name it an organ, allows for such a treat?  Empty as it is, I’ll take a hallucinated falsehood over nothing whatsoever if need be. The good bad and the ugly, even for a mortal being, is better than nothing.  No reason pouting or bracing when there’s nothing to brace against and no one to be braced in the end.

And that was were I began to turn around my own reaction to the state of things, and from there it evolved within the context of higher Buddhist teaching and my own experience. 

Now It’s tolerable, and in terms of knowing anything for sure, “ it seems so” - is good enough to live a full life, as evidenced by the plethora of fools and heathens that can make a Kings ransom and have their own family and some temporary comfort and happiness.

Knowing what you know, Thanatos, the real question is, how will you go about finding comfort and ease in this enchantment?

There’s more to life than we can imagine. We. 


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Re: Future vision? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26618738 - 04/21/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I can’t because no bond with anyone will feel solid, no love will feel true, no friendship real. It’s nothing like you make it out to be.

Honestly suicide is sounding more enchanting each day. Even before all this death was the only thing I looked forward to in life, everything else was just killing time.

If I can’t be sure that other people exist or not I don’t see a reason to go on


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26618780 - 04/21/20 09:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Even before all this death was the only thing I looked forward to in life, everything else was just killing time.



I still feel like this often.

I don't see what's wrong with it though. Existential angst; it's a part of being human.

Acceptance. Acceptance. Acceptance.



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Re: Future vision? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26618843 - 04/21/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Even before all this death was the only thing I looked forward to in life, everything else was just killing time.



I still feel like this often.

I don't see what's wrong with it though. Existential angst; it's a part of being human.






I don’t like it. I could deal with it if it weren’t for solipsism. But I don’t want to wake up each day feeling like dying, or like I’m forced to keep living. I don’t want to die but I don’t know how to make things better.

Some days I feel like breaking down and crying or just running from it all. I want to scream my dread and anger at all of it, and then return to tears.

Hugs feel empty now, kisses less sincere, I just can’t cope with it much longer


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26618849 - 04/21/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Some days I feel like breaking down and crying or just running from it all. I want to scream my dread and anger at all of it, and then return to tears.



So do it?

Catharsis is needed for good reason; it's part of the road to accepting your lot. So shed the shit. It's not gonna make your problems go away but it'll sure as shit make you feel better.

And then maybe, with a slighly clearer head and slightly less weight on your shoulders, you can take a step forward towards the light.

We all go through this stuff man.


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    #26618850 - 04/21/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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    #26618874 - 04/21/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Life ends of its own accord naturally, and that knowledge alone was enough to keep me from following through with killing myself.

So any suffering endured is immediately nullified upon death,  therefor 1 iota of suffering vs 1,000 iotas or suffering are respectfully equalized in their outcome in the end..

I don’t say this to minimize your suffering, I saw this to give it perspective.  Throughout the history of our species in the natural world there have been countless individuals who have suffered in droves, and endured a level of suffering that wold honestly put you and me and most people to shame.  Still, of those individuals many, yes many, lived through it -  some for better some for worse. And I know some personally, so this isn’t some sob story to illicit a response, it’s life as I’ve known it and the other sentient beings I’ve met.

There is still so much to explore, there is still more living to do. One day there won’t be, but that day is not for us to decide.  And If we do decide for ourselves - an irrational choice for those who have had a failure of imagination - we miss out on the only thing that ever mattered, our life and all those in it.

I still feel like shit, feel sad for way to long, or indifferent, or anxieties and t he whole spectrum of emotions and thought... of this or that.

But there’s always our  ability to become more skillful in our means.  Always.  Giving up is the one move I cannot forgive.  I just cannot. Not when it has to do with ones own life.  Rather to leave this life while trying to live, and be killed by something or other.  Than to leave this life while trying to die.  And be killed by ones own hand.

It’s especially terrifying and lonely when we think we are alone in the vastness of whatever we find ourselves in.  It easy to come to that conclusion in this world and in our times,  and for that very reason I don’t trust such a conclusion.

Unless you try everything in every imaginable way in all its  infinite combinations to life a life where one has some sense of belonging and some sense of comfort and ease that penetrates their minds and hearts... then you cannot kill yourself.  It would be like owning a potential lottery ticket but throwing it away before even scratching it off to check the numbers.

And if you try everything possible and it still doesn’t work , including the logical and illogical, the real and the illusory, and you still cannot come to terms with your own existence .

Then the last stop, is busting in through my front door, coming up the stairs and spilling your guts in front of me.  I’ll take it from there.


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    #26618877 - 04/21/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Some days I feel like breaking down and crying or just running from it all. I want to scream my dread and anger at all of it, and then return to tears.



So do it?

Catharsis is needed for good reason; it's part of the road to accepting your lot. So shed the shit. It's not gonna make your problems go away but it'll sure as shit make you feel better.

And then maybe, with a slighly clearer head and slightly less weight on your shoulders, you can take a step forward towards the light.

We all go through this stuff man.




Maybe I do need to tell it out, scream, I’m just used to holding everything in all the time and it showing much emotions.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26618887 - 04/21/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Life ends of its own accord naturally, and that knowledge alone was enough to keep me from following through with killing myself.

So any suffering endured is immediately nullified upon death,  therefor 1 iota of suffering vs 1,000 iotas or suffering are respectfully equalized in their outcome in the end..

I don’t say this to minimize your suffering, I saw this to give it perspective.  Throughout the history of our species in the natural world there have been countless individuals who have suffered in droves, and endured a level of suffering that wold honestly put you and me and most people to shame.  Still, of those individuals many, yes many, lived through it -  some for better some for worse. And I know some personally, so this isn’t some sob story to illicit a response, it’s life as I’ve known it and the other sentient beings I’ve met.

There is still so much to explore, there is still more living to do. One day there won’t be, but that day is not for us to decide.  And If we do decide for ourselves - an irrational choice for those who have had a failure of imagination - we miss out on the only thing that ever mattered, our life and all those in it.

I still feel like shit, feel sad for way to long, or indifferent, or anxieties and t he whole spectrum of emotions and thought... of this or that.

But there’s always our  ability to become more skillful in our means.  Always.  Giving up is the one move I cannot forgive.  I just cannot. Not when it has to do with ones own life.  Rather to leave this life while trying to live, and be killed by something or other.  Than to leave this life while trying to die.  And be killed by ones own hand.



That life ends one day doesn’t mean I should not take mine. You presume life is something that can be offended. I’m sure people suffered hard in the past but there is the saying that “he who has a why can bear any how”. But I don’t have that and I doubt those people ever thought too hard about life and how the existence of others is belief but not a true known.

There isn’t exploring your do or living to do. One has no duty to continue being especially if they can’t take it.

Nothing matters. Not life, not you or me. Plus it doesn’t help me deal with solipsism. I’m at my wits end on this and suicide seems better than living to be honest. My life up to this point isn’t something I can honestly say is treasured. There is nothing I have lives through that I would do again. Had I the choice to do so I would have aborted myself.


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