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Re: I'm beginning to think Thanatos10 is a figment of our collective imagination [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26618115 - 04/21/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: I'm beginning to think Thanatos10 is a figment of our collective imagination [Re: Asante]
    #26618117 - 04/21/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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This thread is not as disrespectful as it appears Thanatos10.

You are in the grip of an existential loneliness crisis in the middle of a lockdown.

We all want your to snap out of it.




Sadly all that can really get me out is believing people exist and hopefully forgetting solipsism


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Re: I'm beginning to think Thanatos10 is a figment of our collective imagination [Re: Thanatos10] * 2
    #26618129 - 04/21/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Better a functional delusion than a nonfunctional reality.

Apart from solipsism being truth or delusion, the way YOU experience it its nonfunctional, destructive.

Strike up the assumption that all of us exist, like, we all assert.

One leap of faith. That shouldnt be too hard.

You do it every time you buy something from the store and eat it.

faith without logic is blind, logic without faith is deaf.






Either you take a leap of faith that people exist and you break free from this destructive thoughloop, or revise your stance towards Solipsism into it being something more uplifting than an ice cold handjob by Ayn Rand.


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Re: I'm beginning to think Thanatos10 is a figment of our collective imagination [Re: Asante] * 2
    #26618132 - 04/21/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Fuck....I took both pills....idk what to do I'm freaking out man :freakout:


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Re: I'm beginning to think Thanatos10 is a figment of our collective imagination [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26618135 - 04/21/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
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Asante said:
This thread is not as disrespectful as it appears Thanatos10.

You are in the grip of an existential loneliness crisis in the middle of a lockdown.

We all want your to snap out of it.




Sadly all that can really get me out is believing people exist and hopefully forgetting solipsism




If u believe hard enough that people dont exist, would they disappear thou? Does solipsmsm allow that possibility? Can the mind overcome the illusion?


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Re: I'm beginning to think Thanatos10 is a figment of our collective imagination [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26618137 - 04/21/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I lived in St. Petersburg for 1.5 years back in 2005-06. Loved it and met a few cool people. I also worked at the St Pete Yacht club for a year as a bartender. That job is where I decided to change careers. I was about to get into real estate and then nursing popped up. If Katrina hadn't happened, I'd be in real estate. I like your posts actually, you seem like a genuinely good person/poster, maybe?:shrug:

Dali museum is fucking incredible, and the st pete beach, so beautiful. I had a 650 a month apt 3 miles from downtown, and a ten minute bike ride to the beach.


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Re: I'm beginning to think Thanatos10 is a figment of our collective imagination [Re: Asante]
    #26618279 - 04/21/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Asante said:
Better a functional delusion than a nonfunctional reality.

Apart from solipsism being truth or delusion, the way YOU experience it its nonfunctional, destructive.

Strike up the assumption that all of us exist, like, we all assert.

One leap of faith. That shouldnt be too hard.

You do it every time you buy something from the store and eat it.

faith without logic is blind, logic without faith is deaf.






Either you take a leap of faith that people exist and you break free from this destructive thoughloop, or revise your stance towards Solipsism into it being something more uplifting than an ice cold handjob by Ayn Rand.




A leap wouldn’t be a break from this though, it never is. Because the reality will always be in the back of your kind and it will poison every interaction you have with the world and those in it. The only freedom, ironically, is to never have known it. Because once you know it then it will haunt everything you do, because the certainty and strength you felt before is taken from you and you’ll never get it back. Every friendship, every bond, love, all of it will feel a little less solid, less secure, less real. Because in the back of my mind I’ll never know if they are real or not.

It’s not about what is functional but what is true. To live a lie isn’t an option. To act with certainty when you don’t have it seems like it’s not an option.


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Re: I'm beginning to think Thanatos10 is a figment of our collective imagination [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26618408 - 04/21/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I can vouch for my existence over here.  I’m locked up in this bitch and can’t get out either..  Had a whole life and whatnot that nobody knows about so it you’re unaware of it you couldn’t have thought it up.

So the real question is are you, Thanatos, a figment of my imagination...:breakthrough::brainscream:




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Re: I'm beginning to think Thanatos10 is a figment of our collective imagination [Re: Amanita86] * 5
    #26618436 - 04/21/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe everyone is a figment of each others imaginations, and it creates a network of independently verifiable realities that can communicate between each other and strengthen eachothers existences by.


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Re: I'm beginning to think Thanatos10 is a figment of our collective imagination [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
    #26618441 - 04/21/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: I'm beginning to think Thanatos10 is a figment of our collective imagination [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
    #26618450 - 04/21/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Maybe everyone is a figment of each others imaginations, and it creates a network of independently verifiable realities that can communicate between each other and strengthen eachothers existences by.




Nice.

... when we start talking about the mutual co-arising of interdependent phenomena... i sense we approach the truth of things more honestly.


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Re: I'm beginning to think Thanatos10 is a figment of our collective imagination [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26618464 - 04/21/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Solipsism isn't the belief that you are the only one existing and everything else is a figment of your imagination, it's the belief that your experience is the only thing you can verifiably rely on existing.




That's soft solipsism yes, but the problem still remains.




With a name like Thanatos, there's no time to go soft. :psychsplit: :mindblown: :psychsplit:



that's what she said


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Re: I'm beginning to think Thanatos10 is a figment of our collective imagination [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26618522 - 04/21/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Maybe everyone is a figment of each others imaginations, and it creates a network of independently verifiable realities that can communicate between each other and strengthen eachothers existences by.




Nice.

... when we start talking about the mutual co-arising of interdependent phenomena... i sense we approach the truth of things more honestly.



Not really because you can’t verify the mural part, you can only assume


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Re: I'm beginning to think Thanatos10 is a figment of our collective imagination [Re: Thanatos10] * 2
    #26618527 - 04/21/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Which is exactly what you are doing. It is pointless. Just enjoy what you can observe.


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Re: I'm beginning to think Thanatos10 is a figment of our collective imagination [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26618536 - 04/21/20 07:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
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The Blind Ass said:
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PatrickKn said:
Maybe everyone is a figment of each others imaginations, and it creates a network of independently verifiable realities that can communicate between each other and strengthen eachothers existences by.




Nice.

... when we start talking about the mutual co-arising of interdependent phenomena... i sense we approach the truth of things more honestly.



Not really because you can’t verify the mural part, you can only assume




Is this not true of the first step of the individual tho?

Is the Self verifiable if it can only be known by its being in contrast to other verifiable objects?
Is "I think therefor I am" sufficient to verify the existence of the thinker when all other objects of thought are considered effectively non-existent beyond the process of thought?

If the Self cannot be verified to exist, then how in turn are the experiences the Self has trusted to exist either?

My closest parallel to solipsism is the Yogacara school of Buddhism mentioned in the other thread
but these are the sorts of things that came up as considerations at that time
but they at least benefit from the broader philosophy of Buddhism having a starting point that there is no permanent Self that can be known before considering whether outside objects can be known


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Re: I'm beginning to think Thanatos10 is a figment of our collective imagination [Re: Tantrika]
    #26618578 - 04/21/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)




Point of note: the Advaita Vedanta tradition of Shankaracharya is considered one of the philisophical closing points of the Upanishadic knowledge
so it's a good point of study if wanting to comprehend how Shankara's thoughts contrasted or built upon existing philisophical schools developed to that point in Indian history



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Re: I'm beginning to think Thanatos10 is a figment of our collective imagination [Re: Tantrika] * 3
    #26618586 - 04/21/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm a solipsist but I still believe in all of you it's just that you're me


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Re: I'm beginning to think Thanatos10 is a figment of our collective imagination [Re: morrowasted]
    #26618630 - 04/21/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:blewmeanie:


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Re: I'm beginning to think Thanatos10 is a figment of our collective imagination [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #26618633 - 04/21/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Isn't it curious? how one can be in the midst of water crying out desperately in thirst, or like the son of a rich man who wandered away amongst the poor.  Sad. But funny.  A divine tragic-comedy.

Migrating through the darkness due to ones own ignorance.

Going further and further astray in the darkness, how can we ever be free😱!  Oh me Oh my...not knowing how close the truth is one actually attempts to seek for it, and by seeking are lead astray.  Like trying to find rest by wandering around.  Like trying to wake up when we are all but asleep.  What a pity!


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Re: I'm beginning to think Thanatos10 is a figment of our collective imagination [Re: Tantrika]
    #26618728 - 04/21/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
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The Blind Ass said:
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PatrickKn said:
Maybe everyone is a figment of each others imaginations, and it creates a network of independently verifiable realities that can communicate between each other and strengthen eachothers existences by.




Nice.

... when we start talking about the mutual co-arising of interdependent phenomena... i sense we approach the truth of things more honestly.



Not really because you can’t verify the mural part, you can only assume




Is this not true of the first step of the individual tho?

Is the Self verifiable if it can only be known by its being in contrast to other verifiable objects?
Is "I think therefor I am" sufficient to verify the existence of the thinker when all other objects of thought are considered effectively non-existent beyond the process of thought?

If the Self cannot be verified to exist, then how in turn are the experiences the Self has trusted to exist either?

My closest parallel to solipsism is the Yogacara school of Buddhism mentioned in the other thread
but these are the sorts of things that came up as considerations at that time
but they at least benefit from the broader philosophy of Buddhism having a starting point that there is no permanent Self that can be known before considering whether outside objects can be known




Attacking the self however doesn’t negate the conclusion of hard solipsism.


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