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Supplies for shoebox grow
    #26618170 - 04/21/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hi everyone!

The grow kit I bought is currently on it's third flush and I'd like to give the shoebox tek a go.

First of all, I don't have a PC, but I've seen a tek that's supposed to work for bulk without it. I know there's a higher chance of contamination without a PC, but if it can work I'd like to try it before buying one.

Could someone help me make a list of supplies I need so I don't forget anything? It seems like some of the things that are needed for this hobby (like the mason jars with a lid and a ring and the insulated water cooler from Bod's bucket tek) are easier to find in the U.S.

Also, the quarantaine makes it harder to gather all the supplies.

As far as I understand it I'll need:
- something to make a SAB
- mason jars (what size and how many do I need?)
- coir
- vermiculite
- brown rice
- plastic storage box for the shoebox itself
- spore syringe
- aluminium foil
- alcohol? (ISO is way harder to find here than 96% ethilic alcohol)
- a flame to sterilize the syringe (would a lighter be enough or do I need a torch?)

Another question I have is if preparing the spawn and substrate gives off a lot of smell or if it's discreet.

Thank you for all the help I've already gotten here :smile:


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26621550 - 04/23/20 05:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I've been looking for the supplies and since almost everything has to be purchased online, it gets pretty expensive for the first grow (around 100€ without a PC).

The mason jars with lid+ring are not easy to find here and the cheapest I've found is 3€ per unit (so 36€ for a 12 pack).

The plastic box for the SAB is at least 20€ and so is the torch and the spore syringe.

This really makes me reconsider starting from scratch, especially without a pressure cooker and the risk for contam.

For that price I can get 2-3 grow kits. I'd really like to go the better route and not buy more grow kits, but it's proving to be really difficult to find the supplies for a decent price.

Do you guys know a cheaper way to make it work?

Thank you :smile:


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26621570 - 04/23/20 05:59 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Purchase used jars and PC from yard sales or second hand sites.Go with agar and grain, use quart jars for grain and glad ware for agar..suck it up and buy a tub for a SAB. you need it...fuck grow kits.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Sunny Skies]
    #26621585 - 04/23/20 06:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Purchase used jars and PC from yard sales or second hand sites.Go with agar and grain, use quart jars for grain and glad ware for agar..suck it up and buy a tub for a SAB. you need it...fuck grow kits.




Thanks for your reply.

I could find cheaper jars but without a ring. Don't know if that works.

The PC is something I don't want to invest in right now, at least until I know I really like this hobby.

I'll see if I can get everything for 60€ somehow, that would make it worth it for me, but if it's gonna be more than 100€ I'll have to take another approach.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26621649 - 04/23/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If you'll be doing PF cakes (which you should without a PC), you don't need any special jars. I've actually done PF cakes in drinking glasses with just tin foil as a lid.

The plastic box for a SAB shouldn't be that expensive. Go check some of those cheap stores that sell chinese trash. And yeah, lighter will be enough to flame that needle, it's just going to take a bit longer. Otherwise, Hofer has 10€ bunsen burners available from time to time.

Since you are planning to spawn cakes to shoeboxes, I suggest you to just take some smaller pickling jars, do the PF cakes in them. You should be able to find everything at home except for verm, brf and spores. IMO, even SAB is unnecessary if your top verm layer is done correctly.

Then you just need some coir, verm and a small plastic tote to spawn them to.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: poisoned]
    #26621768 - 04/23/20 08:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Pc is worth it especially if you can find a cheap one. Worst case you quit cult and make awesome food.

You’re liable to waste a stupid amount of time and money without one. Especially if you’re paying for grow kits.

I bet for the price of two kits you could get enough supplies to grow a kilo of shrooms.


How are you planning on doing it without a pc? The only way I’ve seen is steaming brf jars. Or maybe those rice bag reddit teks.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: A.k.a]
    #26621850 - 04/23/20 08:53 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

He's buying brf, so I'm assuming PF jars.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: poisoned]
    #26622106 - 04/23/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you for all your advice.

Actually, I was considering using broke boi's tek to grow bulk without a PC, which I found on reddit and it seems like many people are using it with success.

But if I can do something easier like brf cakes and then break them up and mix with substrate in a shoebox, I'm open to that as well 🙂


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26622114 - 04/23/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Reddit is not the best resource for mushroom growing. After you get some experience, you'll see that really bad advice gets upvoted on /r/shrooms almost every day. A lot of people seem to have success with the rice tek, but it's reddit, so people won't post failures. And if they do, they won't get nearly as much visibility as the successful grows. I'm not saying it won't work, but IMO, you're more likely to succeed with BRF cakes.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: poisoned]
    #26622190 - 04/23/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Reddit is not the best resource for mushroom growing. After you get some experience, you'll see that really bad advice gets upvoted on /r/shrooms almost every day. A lot of people seem to have success with the rice tek, but it's reddit, so people won't post failures. And if they do, they won't get nearly as much visibility as the successful grows. I'm not saying it won't work, but IMO, you're more likely to succeed with BRF cakes.




Ok, I trust you guys more since this is the most specialized forum 🙂

Can I do BRF cakes following the pf tek and later mix it with coco coir to put it in a shoebox and get a better yield?


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26622195 - 04/23/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, go to one of those shoebox threads and search for BRF or PF. While your yields won't be increased significantly, I think a shoebox is a way simpler fruiting method than HCs or especially SGFCs.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: poisoned]
    #26622211 - 04/23/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah, go to one of those shoebox threads and search for BRF or PF. While your yields won't be increased significantly, I think a shoebox is a way simpler fruiting method than HCs or especially SGFCs.




Ok thank you!

I thought shoeboxes gave better yields. If it's going to be almost the same yield than regular pf tek (like Bod's easy af tek) I may do that instead so I don't have to find a container to prepare the coir.

I was a bit disappointed with the 11g I got from 2 flushes from the kit. Currently waiting for the third flush, don't know if I will get something out of it lol.

How I understand your idea is:
1) prepare brf cakes following pf tek
2) once colonized breaking them and mixing with coir
3) put into shoebox to fruit

Is that right?


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26622328 - 04/23/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah.

Well, the alternative to shoebox is a SGFC or a HC, which both require even bigger containers.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: poisoned]
    #26622338 - 04/23/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah.

Well, the alternative to shoebox is a SGFC or a HC, which both require even bigger containers.




Oh ok I see. I thought you could friit them directly in the jars they colonized in but I guess the yield is reduced that way


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26622345 - 04/23/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, that's certainly not the best way to fruit them.

Shoebox is only 6l tub, so not very big. You should be able to get something suitable in a hardware store for <$5.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: poisoned]
    #26622353 - 04/23/20 01:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah, that's certainly not the best way to fruit them.

Shoebox is only 6l tub, so not very big. You should be able to get something suitable in a hardware store for <$5.




Yeah I don't think the tub will be too difficult to find.

But I'm having some trouble finding the container to prepare the coir. I looked for something like what is used for the bucket tek and can only find really expensive refrigerating containers. Maybe in the U.S it's easier. Since the lockdown, big supermarkets that have those kind of supplies have closen those sections so you cna't buy them.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984] * 1
    #26622392 - 04/23/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You can use anything for coir.

I use a 5 gallon bucket or an empty shoebox. And that’s just with boiling water. You could use cold water and the options would be endless.

The yield is based on the spawn. The more brf you use the more mushrooms you could theoretically get.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Mystic E]
    #26622562 - 04/23/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You can use anything for coir.

I use a 5 gallon bucket or an empty shoebox. And that’s just with boiling water. You could use cold water and the options would be endless.

The yield is based on the spawn. The more brf you use the more mushrooms you could theoretically get.




Oh I thought it had to be boiling water to reduce the risk of contamination. If cold water works I guess I can use any container :smile:

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I recently bought a 24L second hand cooler for only €5 so that shouldn't be too hard to find</font></font>




Thank you, I'll check out second hand websites. The ones I've found are 15-30€.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26624116 - 04/24/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I found most of the supplies for a better price. Let me know what you think:

- A 60L plastic container to make the SAB
- 4.7L plastic boxes as the shoebox (don't know how many I should get)
- jars (don't know what size to choose and if wide-mouth is necessary)
- A 15€ torch
- 650g Coco Coir for 5€
- 7l Vermiculite for 5€
- 2€ micropore tape (does it have to be a special kind or supermarket ones work?)
- 7€ hole punch to make the holes in the lid

Thanks for your help :smile:


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26624137 - 04/24/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Don’t the need hole punch, everything else sounds about right.

I think mp tape is in the sports medicine section usually.

The tubs are slightly smaller than shoeboxes but that doesn’t matter.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: A.k.a]
    #26624226 - 04/24/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Don’t the need hole punch, everything else sounds about right.

I think mp tape is in the sports medicine section usually.

The tubs are slightly smaller than shoeboxes but that doesn’t matter.




Great, thank you!

How would you do the holes in the lid instead of using a punch hole? Hammer and nail?

I think there were also 10l tubs if that's better. Do they have to be "deep"?

Can I use a big cooking pot to hydrate the coir and does it need to be done with boiling water?


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26624230 - 04/24/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah.

Well, the alternative to shoebox is a SGFC or a HC, which both require even bigger containers.




Oh ok I see. I thought you could friit them directly in the jars they colonized in but I guess the yield is reduced that way




IMO that is what you should do. By this method it is almost certain you will get some shrooms. Then you can make several spore prints. You can refill the syringe from spore prints.

If you break up the cakes and mix with coir, your yield will be higher if successful, but there is more of a chance of failure, and then you would have to buy more spores.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26624281 - 04/24/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I found most of the supplies for a better price. Let me know what you think:

- A 60L plastic container to make the SAB
- 4.7L plastic boxes as the shoebox (don't know how many I should get)
- jars (don't know what size to choose and if wide-mouth is necessary)
- A 15€ torch
- 650g Coco Coir for 5€
- 7l Vermiculite for 5€
- 2€ micropore tape (does it have to be a special kind or supermarket ones work?)
- 7€ hole punch to make the holes in the lid

Thanks for your help :smile:





Dont know if you have an ikea near you, but here in northern Europe they have one of the cheapest coco coir around.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: redhandmat]
    #26624350 - 04/24/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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IMO that is what you should do. By this method it is almost certain you will get some shrooms. Then you can make several spore prints. You can refill the syringe from spore prints.

If you break up the cakes and mix with coir, your yield will be higher if successful, but there is more of a chance of failure, and then you would have to buy more spores.




Hmm.. that actually makes a lot of sense.

However, many people told me fruiting brf cakes directly in the jar they were made in isn't a good way to do it and is disappointing compared to shoeboxes. I also have never done any spore prints. I just read Bod's guide and it seems a bit difficult for a noob like me lol.

Is the chance of failure with the other method really that big?


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Dont know if you have an ikea near you, but here in northern Europe they have one of the cheapest coco coir around.




Thank you! Just checked it out and the price is almost the same as if I buy it from Amazon, where I could order almost everything together. But thanks for the suggestion anyways :smile:


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26624368 - 04/24/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Are you talking about the lid of the jars or the shoebox?

Shoebox gets enough air just like they come.


Making prints is really easy just put a cap on some foil and put a cup over it.

Wait over night then take the cap off and let the print dry for like an hour then fold it up.


It might be a little dirty but that’s what agars for. I’ve never had a print that was unusable.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: A.k.a]
    #26624389 - 04/24/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Are you talking about the lid of the jars or the shoebox?

Shoebox gets enough air just like they come.


Making prints is really easy just put a cap on some foil and put a cup over it.

Wait over night then take the cap off and let the print dry for like an hour then fold it up.


It might be a little dirty but that’s what agars for. I’ve never had a print that was unusable.




The lid of the jars :smile:

Ok, that seems easier than the tek I had read. Would you also suggest doing that instead of jumping straight into shoeboxes?


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26624423 - 04/24/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Oh ok lol. Idk If a hole punch would be strong enough, I just used a fat nail.

No I’d do a shoebox. They’re very easy and not likely to contaminate unless you’ve got horrible spawn.

Fruiting out of the jar is kinda like a tiny shoebox but you’ll usually only get a gram or two at a time unless you happen to get monster mushrooms.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: A.k.a]
    #26624438 - 04/24/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Oh ok lol. Idk If a hole punch would be strong enough, I just used a fat nail.

No I’d do a shoebox. They’re very easy and not likely to contaminate unless you’ve got horrible spawn.

Fruiting out of the jar is kinda like a tiny shoebox but you’ll usually only get a gram or two at a time unless you happen to get monster mushrooms.




Ok, thank you :smile:

I'll start by following the PF Tek with 0.5l jars (unfortunately the wide-mouth ones with a ring are too expensive here) and if the spawn is clean try to do the shoebox.

Just a last question to be sure: since the PF tek doesn't require a PC and I'm going to mix the spawn with coco coir (which is pretty clean from what I've heard), I can do this all without necessarily using a PC, right?


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984] * 1
    #26624652 - 04/24/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah coir is hard to contaminate.

Just make sure to steam the brf jars real good, that’s what the whole grow revolves around.

Gotta have clean jars and spawn, after that they rest pretty much does itself.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: A.k.a]
    #26624671 - 04/24/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah coir is hard to contaminate.

Just make sure to steam the brf jars real good, that’s what the whole grow revolves around.

Gotta have clean jars and spawn, after that they rest pretty much does itself.




I'm happy to hear that :smile:

Would jars like this one work or do I need a wide-mouth? https://www.alcampo.es/media/hb6/hf3/8884786397214.jpg

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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: poisoned]
    #26624734 - 04/24/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Reddit is not the best resource for mushroom growing. After you get some experience, you'll see that really bad advice gets upvoted on /r/shrooms almost every day. A lot of people seem to have success with the rice tek, but it's reddit, so people won't post failures. And if they do, they won't get nearly as much visibility as the successful grows. I'm not saying it won't work, but IMO, you're more likely to succeed with BRF cakes.




Man, I'll concede that luck probably had a lot to do with it, but I had decent results with the Broke Boi, whole brown rice, no PC tek from Reddit (to clarify, that's not the Uncle Ben Rice bag tek). After that grow I bought a PC, learned agar, switched to wheat.... And so far I've yet to meet the yields I did with Broke Boi. Your mileage may (will probably) vary.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26624743 - 04/24/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Would jars like this one work or do I need a wide-mouth? https://www.alcampo.es/media/hb6/hf3/8884786397214.jpg

Thank you!




Those will be a bitch with BRF because they'll be hard to get out of the jar. But I've heard of people just digging the cake out with a spoon.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: nevereataamanita]
    #26624774 - 04/24/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I would try to get a bigger SAB if you can, as if you continue with the hobby you will eventually want to get a bigger one.

I would also recommend NOT going to shoeboxes. The benefit of the brf tek for new growers is that your eggs are not in one basket, if you have 12 jars and 2 of them contaminate, you still have 10 jars. If you go to shoeboxes you will be mixing all those jars together and risking the loss of your entire grow.
I don't think the risk justifies the reward. From what I understand (although I've never done brf to bulk) yeilds don't increase that much.


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    #26624812 - 04/24/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Would jars like this one work or do I need a wide-mouth? https://www.alcampo.es/media/hb6/hf3/8884786397214.jpg





Can't see the image, but if your jars aren't wide-mouth, they'll only work for shoeboxes.

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I would also recommend NOT going to shoeboxes. The benefit of the brf tek for new growers is that your eggs are not in one basket, if you have 12 jars and 2 of them contaminate, you still have 10 jars. If you go to shoeboxes you will be mixing all those jars together and risking the loss of your entire grow.





I actually haven't done a brf->shoebox tek before, but 12 jars to a shoebox sounds like way too much. Probably more like 3 per shoebox.


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    #26624840 - 04/24/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Reddit is not the best resource for mushroom growing. After you get some experience, you'll see that really bad advice gets upvoted on /r/shrooms almost every day. A lot of people seem to have success with the rice tek, but it's reddit, so people won't post failures. And if they do, they won't get nearly as much visibility as the successful grows. I'm not saying it won't work, but IMO, you're more likely to succeed with BRF cakes.




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    #26624985 - 04/24/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you all for your input!

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Those will be a bitch with BRF because they'll be hard to get out of the jar. But I've heard of people just digging the cake out with a spoon.




Ok, I think I will buy the wide-mouth jars then, even if they're expensive, because I guess it makes things easier.

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I would try to get a bigger SAB if you can, as if you continue with the hobby you will eventually want to get a bigger one.

I would also recommend NOT going to shoeboxes. The benefit of the brf tek for new growers is that your eggs are not in one basket, if you have 12 jars and 2 of them contaminate, you still have 10 jars. If you go to shoeboxes you will be mixing all those jars together and risking the loss of your entire grow.
I don't think the risk justifies the reward. From what I understand (although I've never done brf to bulk) yeilds don't increase that much.




I'll look for a bigger one, thank you!

Seems like half of you are suggesting BRF tek > shoeboxes and half of you are suggesting the opposite lol

I like the idea of not having to make a SGFC or HC and the results I've seen from people who do shoeboxes, but I will research it a bit more to see if it's worth the risk.

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Can't see the image, but if your jars aren't wide-mouth, they'll only work for shoeboxes.

I actually haven't done a brf->shoebox tek before, but 12 jars to a shoebox sounds like way too much. Probably more like 3 per shoebox.




Yep, they're regular jars, I think I will spend a bit more on the wide-mouths.

I think he was refering to 12 jars of BRF being less risky than 1 shoebox in case something gets contaminated.


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    #26625011 - 04/24/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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IMO that is what you should do. By this method it is almost certain you will get some shrooms. Then you can make several spore prints. You can refill the syringe from spore prints.

If you break up the cakes and mix with coir, your yield will be higher if successful, but there is more of a chance of failure, and then you would have to buy more spores.




Hmm.. that actually makes a lot of sense.

However, many people told me fruiting brf cakes directly in the jar they were made in isn't a good way to do it and is disappointing compared to shoeboxes. I also have never done any spore prints. I just read Bod's guide and it seems a bit difficult for a noob like me lol.

Is the chance of failure with the other method really that big?


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Dont know if you have an ikea near you, but here in northern Europe they have one of the cheapest coco coir around.




Thank you! Just checked it out and the price is almost the same as if I buy it from Amazon, where I could order almost everything together. But thanks for the suggestion anyways :smile:




It is incredibly easy to take spore prints, and just as easy to use them to refill your syringe. I only know that I had no success spawning crushed cakes to coir. Once you have a self sustaining supply of spores you can expand your methods. Down the road you will probably want to do it like almost everybody else with a PC, grains and agar.


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    #26625013 - 04/24/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I’ve spawned very contaminated jars no problem. As long as there’s no mold you’ll probably be ok. I’ve had jars with bacteria and yeast that took 3 months to colonize grow fine when I spawned them to see what happens.

The main point for me with starting out with shoeboxes isn’t yield. The yield is nice but it’s the fact that they’re much more forgiving when you’re learning how to keep surface conditions right.

Cakes will dry out to the point of shitty pinsets and lots of aborts very easily. Shoeboxes give a much wider margin for error which you need at first. Learning what conditions mushrooms like is pretty hard and can take a while.

You mix up a shoebox and put a little top layer of coir on at spawn to cover the grains, and you could make a mistake that would totally ruin a cake but barely affect the shoebox.


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    #26625077 - 04/24/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you both for sharing your experience, I guess both have their pros and cons and I'll probably need some luck for whichever tek I decide to follow.

@Brian Jones your method is probably the best to have an "infinite" supply. For now I'm not interested in agar or big bulk grows, just want to try this and see if it becomes a hobby, but I can't turn my house into something like a lab unfortunately.

@A.K.A I think I'll do a couple of shoeboxes or three so not everything depends on a single one.

Would regular mouth jars work for this? The thing is if I take the regular ones, I'll have some extra money to spend on a dehydrator. I could keep fan drying and using a desicant after, but I guess a dehydrator is better when the yields start to be a bit bigger.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26626476 - 04/25/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hi everyone!

I've been looking for the supplies for hours and can't seem to find everything for under 120€.

- 4 tubs with proper size cost around 20€
- a big tub for the SAB also 20€
- spore syringe 15€
- torch 15€
- coco coir 5€
- vermiculite 5€
- 4 1/2 pint wide mouth jars 22€
- scalpel 10€

And that's without adding the cheapest food dehydrator I could find (30€).

I've looked for second hand stuff, like the jars, but no one sells wide-mouth ones with lid+ring.

I find this quite expensive and am therefore reconsidering to try out this method of growing mushrooms.

I think I will stick with grow kits for now, since I can get similar yields as with shoeboxes, without all the problems to get all the supplies and for 40€.

It's frustrating, because I really wanted to learn it the right way, but it's just too expensive. Maybe after lockdown when I can avoid shipment fees I can afford it. 

If some of you are from Europe and know where I can get the stuff for a reasonable price, let me know :smile:

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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26626509 - 04/25/20 07:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The fact that you have Amazon in your country puts you in a better position than me. But looking through your list:


  • Scalpel you can find for less than that garanteed.

  • A SAB is a must if we dont have a FH, but you can actually be creative with plastic wra. For instance, I remove the clothes from a clothing shelf in our wardrobe and just clean it really well with soapy water and lysol, use plastic wrap and tape to make it into a "box" while leaving some room to put in my arms. Works super nice, and all my agar dishes since then have worked out ok. To be honest though, its because my gf dont want any more big plastic bins in our small apartment:


  • Torch 15€ Im sure is awesome to have, but I have survived well with a lighther, just takes longer. I have even used a candle when my lighter was about to run out.


  • Jars 22€... You know you can use any jars right? I use jars that used to contain food from the grocery shop. Things like pickle jars etc... Its good for the environment and its good for the hobby (at least for for grain teks)


I could go on and on and on. In this hobby there is plenty room for creativity. The only thing on your list that you really really really need and that you cannot be creative with is is the one thing you dont have: a PC!


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: redhandmat]
    #26626529 - 04/25/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, that drawer idea is genius lol I actually saw your thread about this. Unfortunately my wardrobes don't have those small shelves.

I can use a lighter you're right.

Jars, I was told they had to be wide-mouth to get the BRF cake out of them, but since I want to do shoeboxes I guess it doesn't matter if I don't get them out in one piece. Do all those grocery shop jars resist the steaming process?

I know a PC is the way to go but I've heard this tek can work without it so I'll try it before investing in one.

The cheapest scalpel with 20 replacements is 7€ which I think is a decent price, the problem with all this is the shipment fees.

But you motivated me again to just buy what's strictly necessary and maybe I can get everything for 60-70€ which I'm willing to spend :smile:


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    #26626534 - 04/25/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

dollar stores often carry shoebox size tubs


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    #26626579 - 04/25/20 08:35 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Wow, that drawer idea is genius lol I actually saw your thread about this. Unfortunately my wardrobes don't have those small shelves.

I can use a lighter you're right.

Jars, I was told they had to be wide-mouth to get the BRF cake out of them, but since I want to do shoeboxes I guess it doesn't matter if I don't get them out in one piece. Do all those grocery shop jars resist the steaming process?

I know a PC is the way to go but I've heard this tek can work without it so I'll try it before investing in one.

The cheapest scalpel with 20 replacements is 7€ which I think is a decent price, the problem with all this is the shipment fees.

But you motivated me again to just buy what's strictly necessary and maybe I can get everything for 60-70€ which I'm willing to spend :smile:




Cool to hear that you liked it! Well honestly, when I started out I was in the same situation as you, strict budget and even worse, newly moved to first apartment after being out of the country for 5 years. So I had basically nothing. But start with the absolute necessary, and don't be afraid to look up stuff on ebay or wte (for stuff like PC at least). For the rest be creative. Before I came up with the closet shelf idea I actually used the space created between the cabinets and counter (but you can do better :wink: ):


As for BRF jars (if you go that way) just use extra water cups if you have, they are ALL widemouth (for the cap use aluminum foil and tighten it with wte). IF you go agar to grain you can use any jars that contains food in the grocery shop. Thats the kind I use and I PC them for 2,5 hours with no issue, so they should handle regular low pressure steam just fine.

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Ikea has EXTREMELY cheap tubs, they are called SAMLA. One 5L tub with lid is only €1,50




Those are the exact shoeboxes I bought. I even bribed my gf with a couple of them for her hobbies :laugh: And for people that buy their stuff at IKEA, at least in my country (northern europe) they also have the cheapest coco coir I could find.


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    #26626610 - 04/25/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Ikea has EXTREMELY cheap tubs, they are called SAMLA. One 5L tub with lid is only €1,50




OMG I didn't consider taking those lol Actually they also have a 60L version which I think I'm going to take as a SAB, even if it's a bit small.

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dollar stores often carry shoebox size tubs




Yeah, the problem is everything is closed except grocery stores :S but the ones from IKEA are cheap too :smile:


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Cool to hear that you liked it! Well honestly, when I started out I was in the same situation as you, strict budget and even worse, newly moved to first apartment after being out of the country for 5 years. So I had basically nothing. But start with the absolute necessary, and don't be afraid to look up stuff on ebay or wte (for stuff like PC at least). For the rest be creative. Before I came up with the closet shelf idea I actually used the space created between the cabinets and counter (but you can do better :wink: ):


As for BRF jars (if you go that way) just use extra water cups if you have, they are ALL widemouth (for the cap use aluminum foil and tighten it with wte). IF you go agar to grain you can use any jars that contains food in the grocery shop. Thats the kind I use and I PC them for 2,5 hours with no issue, so they should handle regular low pressure steam just fine.






That's really creative, I think my girlfriend kills me if I do that in the bathroom. I'm gonna take the 60L IKEA tub or a bigger one, it seems easier and since you told me I can use any kind of jar, I'm already saving a lot of money.

My idea is to:
1) prepare BRF cakes following PF Tek (steaming the jars in a pot)
2) mix with coir and put into shoebox

I can easily get regular mouthed jars, so if those work that's going to save me a lot of money :smile:

As for the coir, the one on Amazon seems even chepaer 5€ for 3x650g which is supposed to yield 25L, whereas IKEA for the same price the yield is 15L so I guess it's a little less coir.


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    #26626636 - 04/25/20 09:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Lol my GF never saw that (except for in the picture). It takes 3 minutes to clean up.

For BRF/PF tek, use drinking cups. That way your cake will slide right out when its time. And since water cups don't have lids just use double folded aluminum foil over the top and keep it in place with tape.

I guess you have a spore syringe? I started out with PF tek too, but I had a spore print. Way too easy to contaminate for BRF cake, but on agar its awesome and I don't need to worry about contamination to the same extent.


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    #26626646 - 04/25/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You can really use anything doesn’t have to be a shoebox.

I had some sketchy spawn I didn’t want to tie up a shoebox for so I put a liner in a red bull box.



Then for pans I’ve been using a half gallon milk jug.



And I did a test grow in the bottom of a gallon of water 



As long as it’s deep enough to put a couple inches of coir in.


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    #26626661 - 04/25/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Lol my GF never saw that (except for in the picture). It takes 3 minutes to clean up.

For BRF/PF tek, use drinking cups. That way your cake will slide right out when its time. And since water cups don't have lids just use double folded aluminum foil over the top and keep it in place with tape.

I guess you have a spore syringe? I started out with PF tek too, but I had a spore print. Way too easy to contaminate for BRF cake, but on agar its awesome and I don't need to worry about contamination to the same extent.




Ah I see lol I don't have the spore syringe yet, but I will order one.

I don't have a lot of spare cups right now. But I found these jars. They are 540ml and are supposed to resist heat. Do you think these would work?



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You can really use anything doesn’t have to be a shoebox.

I had some sketchy spawn I didn’t want to tie up a shoebox for so I put a liner in a red bull box.



Then for pans I’ve been using a half gallon milk jug.



And I did a test grow in the bottom of a gallon of water 



As long as it’s deep enough to put a couple inches of coir in.




Wow, that's awesome. I guess I'll have to improvise too, since IKEA's shipment fee is 39€ lol


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    #26627489 - 04/25/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I use honey jars all the time, which are basically the same shit you have in picture. None of them have cracked yet.

I think what you have in picture would work nice for PF tek.


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