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Farnaby1984
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
#26626476 - 04/25/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hi everyone!
I've been looking for the supplies for hours and can't seem to find everything for under 120€.
- 4 tubs with proper size cost around 20€ - a big tub for the SAB also 20€ - spore syringe 15€ - torch 15€ - coco coir 5€ - vermiculite 5€ - 4 1/2 pint wide mouth jars 22€ - scalpel 10€
And that's without adding the cheapest food dehydrator I could find (30€).
I've looked for second hand stuff, like the jars, but no one sells wide-mouth ones with lid+ring.
I find this quite expensive and am therefore reconsidering to try out this method of growing mushrooms.
I think I will stick with grow kits for now, since I can get similar yields as with shoeboxes, without all the problems to get all the supplies and for 40€.
It's frustrating, because I really wanted to learn it the right way, but it's just too expensive. Maybe after lockdown when I can avoid shipment fees I can afford it.
If some of you are from Europe and know where I can get the stuff for a reasonable price, let me know
Thank you all for your help!
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
#26626509 - 04/25/20 07:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The fact that you have Amazon in your country puts you in a better position than me. But looking through your list:
- Scalpel you can find for less than that garanteed.
- A SAB is a must if we dont have a FH, but you can actually be creative with plastic wra. For instance, I remove the clothes from a clothing shelf in our wardrobe and just clean it really well with soapy water and lysol, use plastic wrap and tape to make it into a "box" while leaving some room to put in my arms. Works super nice, and all my agar dishes since then have worked out ok. To be honest though, its because my gf dont want any more big plastic bins in our small apartment:

- Torch 15€ Im sure is awesome to have, but I have survived well with a lighther, just takes longer. I have even used a candle when my lighter was about to run out.
- Jars 22€... You know you can use any jars right? I use jars that used to contain food from the grocery shop. Things like pickle jars etc... Its good for the environment and its good for the hobby (at least for for grain teks)
I could go on and on and on. In this hobby there is plenty room for creativity. The only thing on your list that you really really really need and that you cannot be creative with is is the one thing you dont have: a PC!
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: redhandmat]
#26626529 - 04/25/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow, that drawer idea is genius lol I actually saw your thread about this. Unfortunately my wardrobes don't have those small shelves.
I can use a lighter you're right.
Jars, I was told they had to be wide-mouth to get the BRF cake out of them, but since I want to do shoeboxes I guess it doesn't matter if I don't get them out in one piece. Do all those grocery shop jars resist the steaming process?
I know a PC is the way to go but I've heard this tek can work without it so I'll try it before investing in one.
The cheapest scalpel with 20 replacements is 7€ which I think is a decent price, the problem with all this is the shipment fees.
But you motivated me again to just buy what's strictly necessary and maybe I can get everything for 60-70€ which I'm willing to spend
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Mystic E]
#26626534 - 04/25/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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dollar stores often carry shoebox size tubs
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Mystic E]
#26626579 - 04/25/20 08:35 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Farnaby1984 said: Wow, that drawer idea is genius lol I actually saw your thread about this. Unfortunately my wardrobes don't have those small shelves.
I can use a lighter you're right.
Jars, I was told they had to be wide-mouth to get the BRF cake out of them, but since I want to do shoeboxes I guess it doesn't matter if I don't get them out in one piece. Do all those grocery shop jars resist the steaming process?
I know a PC is the way to go but I've heard this tek can work without it so I'll try it before investing in one.
The cheapest scalpel with 20 replacements is 7€ which I think is a decent price, the problem with all this is the shipment fees.
But you motivated me again to just buy what's strictly necessary and maybe I can get everything for 60-70€ which I'm willing to spend 
Cool to hear that you liked it! Well honestly, when I started out I was in the same situation as you, strict budget and even worse, newly moved to first apartment after being out of the country for 5 years. So I had basically nothing. But start with the absolute necessary, and don't be afraid to look up stuff on ebay or wte (for stuff like PC at least). For the rest be creative. Before I came up with the closet shelf idea I actually used the space created between the cabinets and counter (but you can do better ):

As for BRF jars (if you go that way) just use extra water cups if you have, they are ALL widemouth (for the cap use aluminum foil and tighten it with wte). IF you go agar to grain you can use any jars that contains food in the grocery shop. Thats the kind I use and I PC them for 2,5 hours with no issue, so they should handle regular low pressure steam just fine.
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Mystic E said: Ikea has EXTREMELY cheap tubs, they are called SAMLA. One 5L tub with lid is only €1,50
Those are the exact shoeboxes I bought. I even bribed my gf with a couple of them for her hobbies And for people that buy their stuff at IKEA, at least in my country (northern europe) they also have the cheapest coco coir I could find.
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: redhandmat]
#26626610 - 04/25/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mystic E said: Ikea has EXTREMELY cheap tubs, they are called SAMLA. One 5L tub with lid is only €1,50
OMG I didn't consider taking those lol Actually they also have a 60L version which I think I'm going to take as a SAB, even if it's a bit small.
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DeckardCain said: dollar stores often carry shoebox size tubs
Yeah, the problem is everything is closed except grocery stores :S but the ones from IKEA are cheap too 
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redhandmat said: Cool to hear that you liked it! Well honestly, when I started out I was in the same situation as you, strict budget and even worse, newly moved to first apartment after being out of the country for 5 years. So I had basically nothing. But start with the absolute necessary, and don't be afraid to look up stuff on ebay or wte (for stuff like PC at least). For the rest be creative. Before I came up with the closet shelf idea I actually used the space created between the cabinets and counter (but you can do better ):

As for BRF jars (if you go that way) just use extra water cups if you have, they are ALL widemouth (for the cap use aluminum foil and tighten it with wte). IF you go agar to grain you can use any jars that contains food in the grocery shop. Thats the kind I use and I PC them for 2,5 hours with no issue, so they should handle regular low pressure steam just fine.
That's really creative, I think my girlfriend kills me if I do that in the bathroom. I'm gonna take the 60L IKEA tub or a bigger one, it seems easier and since you told me I can use any kind of jar, I'm already saving a lot of money.
My idea is to: 1) prepare BRF cakes following PF Tek (steaming the jars in a pot) 2) mix with coir and put into shoebox
I can easily get regular mouthed jars, so if those work that's going to save me a lot of money 
As for the coir, the one on Amazon seems even chepaer 5€ for 3x650g which is supposed to yield 25L, whereas IKEA for the same price the yield is 15L so I guess it's a little less coir.
Edited by Farnaby1984 (04/25/20 09:00 AM)
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
#26626636 - 04/25/20 09:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lol my GF never saw that (except for in the picture). It takes 3 minutes to clean up.
For BRF/PF tek, use drinking cups. That way your cake will slide right out when its time. And since water cups don't have lids just use double folded aluminum foil over the top and keep it in place with tape.
I guess you have a spore syringe? I started out with PF tek too, but I had a spore print. Way too easy to contaminate for BRF cake, but on agar its awesome and I don't need to worry about contamination to the same extent.
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: redhandmat] 1
#26626646 - 04/25/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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You can really use anything doesn’t have to be a shoebox.
I had some sketchy spawn I didn’t want to tie up a shoebox for so I put a liner in a red bull box.

Then for pans I’ve been using a half gallon milk jug.

And I did a test grow in the bottom of a gallon of water

As long as it’s deep enough to put a couple inches of coir in.
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: A.k.a]
#26626661 - 04/25/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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redhandmat said: Lol my GF never saw that (except for in the picture). It takes 3 minutes to clean up.
For BRF/PF tek, use drinking cups. That way your cake will slide right out when its time. And since water cups don't have lids just use double folded aluminum foil over the top and keep it in place with tape.
I guess you have a spore syringe? I started out with PF tek too, but I had a spore print. Way too easy to contaminate for BRF cake, but on agar its awesome and I don't need to worry about contamination to the same extent.
Ah I see lol I don't have the spore syringe yet, but I will order one.
I don't have a lot of spare cups right now. But I found these jars. They are 540ml and are supposed to resist heat. Do you think these would work?

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A.k.a said: You can really use anything doesn’t have to be a shoebox.
I had some sketchy spawn I didn’t want to tie up a shoebox for so I put a liner in a red bull box.

Then for pans I’ve been using a half gallon milk jug.

And I did a test grow in the bottom of a gallon of water

As long as it’s deep enough to put a couple inches of coir in.
Wow, that's awesome. I guess I'll have to improvise too, since IKEA's shipment fee is 39€ lol
Edited by Farnaby1984 (04/25/20 09:28 AM)
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
#26627489 - 04/25/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I use honey jars all the time, which are basically the same shit you have in picture. None of them have cracked yet.
I think what you have in picture would work nice for PF tek.
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