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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
#26624137 - 04/24/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don’t the need hole punch, everything else sounds about right.
I think mp tape is in the sports medicine section usually.
The tubs are slightly smaller than shoeboxes but that doesn’t matter.
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: A.k.a]
#26624226 - 04/24/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Don’t the need hole punch, everything else sounds about right.
I think mp tape is in the sports medicine section usually.
The tubs are slightly smaller than shoeboxes but that doesn’t matter.
Great, thank you!
How would you do the holes in the lid instead of using a punch hole? Hammer and nail?
I think there were also 10l tubs if that's better. Do they have to be "deep"?
Can I use a big cooking pot to hydrate the coir and does it need to be done with boiling water?
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
#26624230 - 04/24/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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poisoned said: Yeah.
Well, the alternative to shoebox is a SGFC or a HC, which both require even bigger containers.
Oh ok I see. I thought you could friit them directly in the jars they colonized in but I guess the yield is reduced that way
IMO that is what you should do. By this method it is almost certain you will get some shrooms. Then you can make several spore prints. You can refill the syringe from spore prints.
If you break up the cakes and mix with coir, your yield will be higher if successful, but there is more of a chance of failure, and then you would have to buy more spores.
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
#26624281 - 04/24/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Farnaby1984 said: I found most of the supplies for a better price. Let me know what you think:
- A 60L plastic container to make the SAB - 4.7L plastic boxes as the shoebox (don't know how many I should get) - jars (don't know what size to choose and if wide-mouth is necessary) - A 15€ torch - 650g Coco Coir for 5€ - 7l Vermiculite for 5€ - 2€ micropore tape (does it have to be a special kind or supermarket ones work?) - 7€ hole punch to make the holes in the lid
Thanks for your help 
Dont know if you have an ikea near you, but here in northern Europe they have one of the cheapest coco coir around.
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: redhandmat]
#26624350 - 04/24/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Brian Jones said: IMO that is what you should do. By this method it is almost certain you will get some shrooms. Then you can make several spore prints. You can refill the syringe from spore prints.
If you break up the cakes and mix with coir, your yield will be higher if successful, but there is more of a chance of failure, and then you would have to buy more spores.
Hmm.. that actually makes a lot of sense.
However, many people told me fruiting brf cakes directly in the jar they were made in isn't a good way to do it and is disappointing compared to shoeboxes. I also have never done any spore prints. I just read Bod's guide and it seems a bit difficult for a noob like me lol.
Is the chance of failure with the other method really that big?
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Thank you! Just checked it out and the price is almost the same as if I buy it from Amazon, where I could order almost everything together. But thanks for the suggestion anyways
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
#26624368 - 04/24/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Are you talking about the lid of the jars or the shoebox?
Shoebox gets enough air just like they come.
Making prints is really easy just put a cap on some foil and put a cup over it.
Wait over night then take the cap off and let the print dry for like an hour then fold it up.
It might be a little dirty but that’s what agars for. I’ve never had a print that was unusable.
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: A.k.a]
#26624389 - 04/24/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Are you talking about the lid of the jars or the shoebox?
Shoebox gets enough air just like they come.
Making prints is really easy just put a cap on some foil and put a cup over it.
Wait over night then take the cap off and let the print dry for like an hour then fold it up.
It might be a little dirty but that’s what agars for. I’ve never had a print that was unusable.
The lid of the jars 
Ok, that seems easier than the tek I had read. Would you also suggest doing that instead of jumping straight into shoeboxes?
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
#26624423 - 04/24/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh ok lol. Idk If a hole punch would be strong enough, I just used a fat nail.
No I’d do a shoebox. They’re very easy and not likely to contaminate unless you’ve got horrible spawn.
Fruiting out of the jar is kinda like a tiny shoebox but you’ll usually only get a gram or two at a time unless you happen to get monster mushrooms.
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: A.k.a]
#26624438 - 04/24/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Oh ok lol. Idk If a hole punch would be strong enough, I just used a fat nail.
No I’d do a shoebox. They’re very easy and not likely to contaminate unless you’ve got horrible spawn.
Fruiting out of the jar is kinda like a tiny shoebox but you’ll usually only get a gram or two at a time unless you happen to get monster mushrooms.
Ok, thank you 
I'll start by following the PF Tek with 0.5l jars (unfortunately the wide-mouth ones with a ring are too expensive here) and if the spawn is clean try to do the shoebox.
Just a last question to be sure: since the PF tek doesn't require a PC and I'm going to mix the spawn with coco coir (which is pretty clean from what I've heard), I can do this all without necessarily using a PC, right?
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984] 1
#26624652 - 04/24/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah coir is hard to contaminate.
Just make sure to steam the brf jars real good, that’s what the whole grow revolves around.
Gotta have clean jars and spawn, after that they rest pretty much does itself.
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: A.k.a]
#26624671 - 04/24/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Yeah coir is hard to contaminate.
Just make sure to steam the brf jars real good, that’s what the whole grow revolves around.
Gotta have clean jars and spawn, after that they rest pretty much does itself.
I'm happy to hear that 
Would jars like this one work or do I need a wide-mouth? https://www.alcampo.es/media/hb6/hf3/8884786397214.jpg
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: poisoned]
#26624734 - 04/24/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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poisoned said: Reddit is not the best resource for mushroom growing. After you get some experience, you'll see that really bad advice gets upvoted on /r/shrooms almost every day. A lot of people seem to have success with the rice tek, but it's reddit, so people won't post failures. And if they do, they won't get nearly as much visibility as the successful grows. I'm not saying it won't work, but IMO, you're more likely to succeed with BRF cakes.
Man, I'll concede that luck probably had a lot to do with it, but I had decent results with the Broke Boi, whole brown rice, no PC tek from Reddit (to clarify, that's not the Uncle Ben Rice bag tek). After that grow I bought a PC, learned agar, switched to wheat.... And so far I've yet to meet the yields I did with Broke Boi. Your mileage may (will probably) vary.
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
#26624743 - 04/24/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Would jars like this one work or do I need a wide-mouth? https://www.alcampo.es/media/hb6/hf3/8884786397214.jpg
Thank you!
Those will be a bitch with BRF because they'll be hard to get out of the jar. But I've heard of people just digging the cake out with a spoon.
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I would try to get a bigger SAB if you can, as if you continue with the hobby you will eventually want to get a bigger one.
I would also recommend NOT going to shoeboxes. The benefit of the brf tek for new growers is that your eggs are not in one basket, if you have 12 jars and 2 of them contaminate, you still have 10 jars. If you go to shoeboxes you will be mixing all those jars together and risking the loss of your entire grow. I don't think the risk justifies the reward. From what I understand (although I've never done brf to bulk) yeilds don't increase that much.
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Farnaby1984 said: Would jars like this one work or do I need a wide-mouth? https://www.alcampo.es/media/hb6/hf3/8884786397214.jpg
Can't see the image, but if your jars aren't wide-mouth, they'll only work for shoeboxes.
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I actually haven't done a brf->shoebox tek before, but 12 jars to a shoebox sounds like way too much. Probably more like 3 per shoebox.
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: poisoned]
#26624840 - 04/24/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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poisoned said: Reddit is not the best resource for mushroom growing. After you get some experience, you'll see that really bad advice gets upvoted on /r/shrooms almost every day. A lot of people seem to have success with the rice tek, but it's reddit, so people won't post failures. And if they do, they won't get nearly as much visibility as the successful grows. I'm not saying it won't work, but IMO, you're more likely to succeed with BRF cakes.
Thank you for posting this comment. I just asked a question that I probably would not have, had I seen this comment first. I tried learning how to grow from Reddit before finding this place. When you're new it is really hard to understand how to separate good information from bad.
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: poisoned]
#26624985 - 04/24/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thank you all for your input!
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nevereataamanita said: Those will be a bitch with BRF because they'll be hard to get out of the jar. But I've heard of people just digging the cake out with a spoon.
Ok, I think I will buy the wide-mouth jars then, even if they're expensive, because I guess it makes things easier.
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Magic Mushpoon said: I would try to get a bigger SAB if you can, as if you continue with the hobby you will eventually want to get a bigger one.
I would also recommend NOT going to shoeboxes. The benefit of the brf tek for new growers is that your eggs are not in one basket, if you have 12 jars and 2 of them contaminate, you still have 10 jars. If you go to shoeboxes you will be mixing all those jars together and risking the loss of your entire grow. I don't think the risk justifies the reward. From what I understand (although I've never done brf to bulk) yeilds don't increase that much.
I'll look for a bigger one, thank you!
Seems like half of you are suggesting BRF tek > shoeboxes and half of you are suggesting the opposite lol
I like the idea of not having to make a SGFC or HC and the results I've seen from people who do shoeboxes, but I will research it a bit more to see if it's worth the risk.
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poisoned said: Can't see the image, but if your jars aren't wide-mouth, they'll only work for shoeboxes.
I actually haven't done a brf->shoebox tek before, but 12 jars to a shoebox sounds like way too much. Probably more like 3 per shoebox.
Yep, they're regular jars, I think I will spend a bit more on the wide-mouths.
I think he was refering to 12 jars of BRF being less risky than 1 shoebox in case something gets contaminated.
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
#26625011 - 04/24/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Brian Jones said: IMO that is what you should do. By this method it is almost certain you will get some shrooms. Then you can make several spore prints. You can refill the syringe from spore prints.
If you break up the cakes and mix with coir, your yield will be higher if successful, but there is more of a chance of failure, and then you would have to buy more spores.
Hmm.. that actually makes a lot of sense.
However, many people told me fruiting brf cakes directly in the jar they were made in isn't a good way to do it and is disappointing compared to shoeboxes. I also have never done any spore prints. I just read Bod's guide and it seems a bit difficult for a noob like me lol.
Is the chance of failure with the other method really that big?
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redhandmat said: Dont know if you have an ikea near you, but here in northern Europe they have one of the cheapest coco coir around.
Thank you! Just checked it out and the price is almost the same as if I buy it from Amazon, where I could order almost everything together. But thanks for the suggestion anyways 
It is incredibly easy to take spore prints, and just as easy to use them to refill your syringe. I only know that I had no success spawning crushed cakes to coir. Once you have a self sustaining supply of spores you can expand your methods. Down the road you will probably want to do it like almost everybody else with a PC, grains and agar.
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984] 1
#26625013 - 04/24/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I’ve spawned very contaminated jars no problem. As long as there’s no mold you’ll probably be ok. I’ve had jars with bacteria and yeast that took 3 months to colonize grow fine when I spawned them to see what happens.
The main point for me with starting out with shoeboxes isn’t yield. The yield is nice but it’s the fact that they’re much more forgiving when you’re learning how to keep surface conditions right.
Cakes will dry out to the point of shitty pinsets and lots of aborts very easily. Shoeboxes give a much wider margin for error which you need at first. Learning what conditions mushrooms like is pretty hard and can take a while.
You mix up a shoebox and put a little top layer of coir on at spawn to cover the grains, and you could make a mistake that would totally ruin a cake but barely affect the shoebox.
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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: A.k.a]
#26625077 - 04/24/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thank you both for sharing your experience, I guess both have their pros and cons and I'll probably need some luck for whichever tek I decide to follow.
@Brian Jones your method is probably the best to have an "infinite" supply. For now I'm not interested in agar or big bulk grows, just want to try this and see if it becomes a hobby, but I can't turn my house into something like a lab unfortunately.
@A.K.A I think I'll do a couple of shoeboxes or three so not everything depends on a single one.
Would regular mouth jars work for this? The thing is if I take the regular ones, I'll have some extra money to spend on a dehydrator. I could keep fan drying and using a desicant after, but I guess a dehydrator is better when the yields start to be a bit bigger.
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