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Supplies for shoebox grow
    #26618170 - 04/21/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hi everyone!

The grow kit I bought is currently on it's third flush and I'd like to give the shoebox tek a go.

First of all, I don't have a PC, but I've seen a tek that's supposed to work for bulk without it. I know there's a higher chance of contamination without a PC, but if it can work I'd like to try it before buying one.

Could someone help me make a list of supplies I need so I don't forget anything? It seems like some of the things that are needed for this hobby (like the mason jars with a lid and a ring and the insulated water cooler from Bod's bucket tek) are easier to find in the U.S.

Also, the quarantaine makes it harder to gather all the supplies.

As far as I understand it I'll need:
- something to make a SAB
- mason jars (what size and how many do I need?)
- coir
- vermiculite
- brown rice
- plastic storage box for the shoebox itself
- spore syringe
- aluminium foil
- alcohol? (ISO is way harder to find here than 96% ethilic alcohol)
- a flame to sterilize the syringe (would a lighter be enough or do I need a torch?)

Another question I have is if preparing the spawn and substrate gives off a lot of smell or if it's discreet.

Thank you for all the help I've already gotten here :smile:


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26621550 - 04/23/20 05:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I've been looking for the supplies and since almost everything has to be purchased online, it gets pretty expensive for the first grow (around 100€ without a PC).

The mason jars with lid+ring are not easy to find here and the cheapest I've found is 3€ per unit (so 36€ for a 12 pack).

The plastic box for the SAB is at least 20€ and so is the torch and the spore syringe.

This really makes me reconsider starting from scratch, especially without a pressure cooker and the risk for contam.

For that price I can get 2-3 grow kits. I'd really like to go the better route and not buy more grow kits, but it's proving to be really difficult to find the supplies for a decent price.

Do you guys know a cheaper way to make it work?

Thank you :smile:


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26621570 - 04/23/20 05:59 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Purchase used jars and PC from yard sales or second hand sites.Go with agar and grain, use quart jars for grain and glad ware for agar..suck it up and buy a tub for a SAB. you need it...fuck grow kits.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Sunny Skies]
    #26621585 - 04/23/20 06:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Purchase used jars and PC from yard sales or second hand sites.Go with agar and grain, use quart jars for grain and glad ware for agar..suck it up and buy a tub for a SAB. you need it...fuck grow kits.




Thanks for your reply.

I could find cheaper jars but without a ring. Don't know if that works.

The PC is something I don't want to invest in right now, at least until I know I really like this hobby.

I'll see if I can get everything for 60€ somehow, that would make it worth it for me, but if it's gonna be more than 100€ I'll have to take another approach.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26621649 - 04/23/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If you'll be doing PF cakes (which you should without a PC), you don't need any special jars. I've actually done PF cakes in drinking glasses with just tin foil as a lid.

The plastic box for a SAB shouldn't be that expensive. Go check some of those cheap stores that sell chinese trash. And yeah, lighter will be enough to flame that needle, it's just going to take a bit longer. Otherwise, Hofer has 10€ bunsen burners available from time to time.

Since you are planning to spawn cakes to shoeboxes, I suggest you to just take some smaller pickling jars, do the PF cakes in them. You should be able to find everything at home except for verm, brf and spores. IMO, even SAB is unnecessary if your top verm layer is done correctly.

Then you just need some coir, verm and a small plastic tote to spawn them to.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: poisoned]
    #26621768 - 04/23/20 08:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Pc is worth it especially if you can find a cheap one. Worst case you quit cult and make awesome food.

You’re liable to waste a stupid amount of time and money without one. Especially if you’re paying for grow kits.

I bet for the price of two kits you could get enough supplies to grow a kilo of shrooms.


How are you planning on doing it without a pc? The only way I’ve seen is steaming brf jars. Or maybe those rice bag reddit teks.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: A.k.a]
    #26621850 - 04/23/20 08:53 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

He's buying brf, so I'm assuming PF jars.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: poisoned]
    #26622106 - 04/23/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you for all your advice.

Actually, I was considering using broke boi's tek to grow bulk without a PC, which I found on reddit and it seems like many people are using it with success.

But if I can do something easier like brf cakes and then break them up and mix with substrate in a shoebox, I'm open to that as well 🙂


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26622114 - 04/23/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Reddit is not the best resource for mushroom growing. After you get some experience, you'll see that really bad advice gets upvoted on /r/shrooms almost every day. A lot of people seem to have success with the rice tek, but it's reddit, so people won't post failures. And if they do, they won't get nearly as much visibility as the successful grows. I'm not saying it won't work, but IMO, you're more likely to succeed with BRF cakes.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: poisoned]
    #26622190 - 04/23/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Reddit is not the best resource for mushroom growing. After you get some experience, you'll see that really bad advice gets upvoted on /r/shrooms almost every day. A lot of people seem to have success with the rice tek, but it's reddit, so people won't post failures. And if they do, they won't get nearly as much visibility as the successful grows. I'm not saying it won't work, but IMO, you're more likely to succeed with BRF cakes.




Ok, I trust you guys more since this is the most specialized forum 🙂

Can I do BRF cakes following the pf tek and later mix it with coco coir to put it in a shoebox and get a better yield?


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26622195 - 04/23/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, go to one of those shoebox threads and search for BRF or PF. While your yields won't be increased significantly, I think a shoebox is a way simpler fruiting method than HCs or especially SGFCs.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: poisoned]
    #26622211 - 04/23/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah, go to one of those shoebox threads and search for BRF or PF. While your yields won't be increased significantly, I think a shoebox is a way simpler fruiting method than HCs or especially SGFCs.




Ok thank you!

I thought shoeboxes gave better yields. If it's going to be almost the same yield than regular pf tek (like Bod's easy af tek) I may do that instead so I don't have to find a container to prepare the coir.

I was a bit disappointed with the 11g I got from 2 flushes from the kit. Currently waiting for the third flush, don't know if I will get something out of it lol.

How I understand your idea is:
1) prepare brf cakes following pf tek
2) once colonized breaking them and mixing with coir
3) put into shoebox to fruit

Is that right?


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26622328 - 04/23/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah.

Well, the alternative to shoebox is a SGFC or a HC, which both require even bigger containers.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: poisoned]
    #26622338 - 04/23/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah.

Well, the alternative to shoebox is a SGFC or a HC, which both require even bigger containers.




Oh ok I see. I thought you could friit them directly in the jars they colonized in but I guess the yield is reduced that way


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26622345 - 04/23/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, that's certainly not the best way to fruit them.

Shoebox is only 6l tub, so not very big. You should be able to get something suitable in a hardware store for <$5.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: poisoned]
    #26622353 - 04/23/20 01:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah, that's certainly not the best way to fruit them.

Shoebox is only 6l tub, so not very big. You should be able to get something suitable in a hardware store for <$5.




Yeah I don't think the tub will be too difficult to find.

But I'm having some trouble finding the container to prepare the coir. I looked for something like what is used for the bucket tek and can only find really expensive refrigerating containers. Maybe in the U.S it's easier. Since the lockdown, big supermarkets that have those kind of supplies have closen those sections so you cna't buy them.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984] * 1
    #26622392 - 04/23/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You can use anything for coir.

I use a 5 gallon bucket or an empty shoebox. And that’s just with boiling water. You could use cold water and the options would be endless.

The yield is based on the spawn. The more brf you use the more mushrooms you could theoretically get.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Mystic E]
    #26622562 - 04/23/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You can use anything for coir.

I use a 5 gallon bucket or an empty shoebox. And that’s just with boiling water. You could use cold water and the options would be endless.

The yield is based on the spawn. The more brf you use the more mushrooms you could theoretically get.




Oh I thought it had to be boiling water to reduce the risk of contamination. If cold water works I guess I can use any container :smile:

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I recently bought a 24L second hand cooler for only €5 so that shouldn't be too hard to find</font></font>




Thank you, I'll check out second hand websites. The ones I've found are 15-30€.


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Re: Supplies for shoebox grow [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26624116 - 04/24/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I found most of the supplies for a better price. Let me know what you think:

- A 60L plastic container to make the SAB
- 4.7L plastic boxes as the shoebox (don't know how many I should get)
- jars (don't know what size to choose and if wide-mouth is necessary)
- A 15€ torch
- 650g Coco Coir for 5€
- 7l Vermiculite for 5€
- 2€ micropore tape (does it have to be a special kind or supermarket ones work?)
- 7€ hole punch to make the holes in the lid

Thanks for your help :smile:


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