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Orange24
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Grow bags...I know
#26617394 - 04/21/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why do grow bags have so many issues when it comes to using them for bulk with a spire syringe? How do all you guys have so many successful bulk grows and what can I do to switch gears? Pf tek isn’t my thing. Done it a few times and for some reason they’ve never really given good results. They’ve never contaminated but won’t grow in my SGFC worth a damn despite perfect humidity and airflow.
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Re: Grow bags...I know [Re: Orange24]
#26617432 - 04/21/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Because syringes are dirty and grow bags are tricky to inoculate cleanly without a flowhood. And because they're way bigger, those contams have more time to make problems.
I'd highly recommend you to start out with agar and jars. Over time, you'll produce more than you would with bags, at least as long as you're not really good with all the techniques.
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Re: Grow bags...I know [Re: poisoned]
#26617448 - 04/21/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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poisoned said: Because syringes are dirty and grow bags are tricky to inoculate cleanly without a flowhood. And because they're way bigger, those contams have more time to make problems.
I'd highly recommend you to start out with agar and jars. Over time, you'll produce more than you would with bags, at least as long as you're not really good with all the techniques.
I gotta learn agar then. Been lazy on that front.
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Re: Grow bags...I know [Re: Orange24]
#26617489 - 04/21/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You see how easy and effective it is you will be kicking yourself for not starting it earlier
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Yeah, you definitely should. It's a lot of fun and it's not even hard.
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Re: Grow bags...I know [Re: poisoned]
#26617532 - 04/21/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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CocaineBuffet said: You see how easy and effective it is you will be kicking yourself for not starting it earlier
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poisoned said: Yeah, you definitely should. It's a lot of fun and it's not even hard.
Is there a agar tek you’d suggest for extreme newbs???
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Re: Grow bags...I know [Re: Orange24]
#26617540 - 04/21/20 11:35 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It really is the basis of mushroom cultivation. Every operation done without agar or some sort of agar substitute is a crapshoot. You’re waiting for spores to germinate in their final destination and hoping they show up clean. Instead of seeing what you have to work with before ever putting it to your grain, and often you’ll see some other stuff was in that print or syringe especially.
Check out This link orange. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18430998/fpart/1/vc/1
The same agar practices used by sages will work for new folks. I’ve never liked any of the No Pour teks but some may argue they’re more “newb friendly”. Pouring is fun and condensation isn’t as bad and I like regular petris.
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Re: Grow bags...I know [Re: Orange24]
#26617552 - 04/21/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Orange24 said:
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CocaineBuffet said: You see how easy and effective it is you will be kicking yourself for not starting it earlier
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poisoned said: Yeah, you definitely should. It's a lot of fun and it's not even hard.
Is there a agar tek you’d suggest for extreme newbs???
6g of Light Malt Extract 10g of powder agar 500ml of water
Add to media bottle and shake
Loosen the lid and put some foil over the it and PC for 20min at 15 PSI
When it cools to the touch but still liquid pour the plates. Or put it in the fridge to be poured in the future. Just microwave it to get it to be liquid again
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Depends on what you want to work with. Some people love pastywhyte's tek, others pour the plastic dishes. I don't like all that excessive plastic, so I do glass no-pour dishes. (no-pour means pouring them before they go into the PC).
The procedure is basically: mix agar. If doing glass on PWs, pour the dishes, put into PC and you're done. For plastic petris, you mix agar, sterilize and then pour dishes in a SAB. Plenty of recipies and procedures here
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Ahh! Doesn’t your agar get clumpy, cocaine? I always boil (not true boil) however much water I’m gonna use (a lil extra for the steam etc) then dissolve my malt extract in the water by itself, add food coloring if I’m gonna, then add agar in 2-3 different dumps, stirring and dissolving between.
It seems like if you just mixed all ingredients together in the bottle and shook that you’d have agar globs trapping possibly dry malt. Does it all just melt together evenly during the PC? I know it’s getting super hot in there but I like to see smoothness before going in
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Re: Grow bags...I know [Re: poisoned]
#26617572 - 04/21/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Tek in my signature is for no pours, it's simple, and easy. If you have any questions feel free to PM me.
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The Abhorrent Chef said:
The same agar practices used by sages will work for new folks. I’ve never liked any of the No Pour teks but some may argue they’re more “newb friendly”. Pouring is fun and condensation isn’t as bad and I like regular petris.
They're good in the beginning. The No-Pour teks helped me maintain sterile conditions while working on SAB procedure, but after a few runs and transfers, the amount of space they usually take is 2-3 times that of regular petris. And pouring is a bit more satisfying.
OP, it's a crapshoot to nocc up grains, but while you're checking your agar plates every day for growth, a couple well prepared grain jars just might take off and you could be growing before you make a transfer. I'd say try to learn both simultaneously, if possible
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Re: Grow bags...I know [Re: poisoned]
#26617668 - 04/21/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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poisoned said: I don't like all that excessive plastic, so I do glass no-pour dishes.
Glass petris are the shiz! No waste, never run out of plates, ultimate visibility, guaranteed sterility.
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I hate the cleanup tho. Especially if you let them really grow out so myc starts sticking to the glass. Or if there's some nasty mold inside.
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Re: Grow bags...I know [Re: poisoned]
#26617923 - 04/21/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm so used to the flow. If I have those old dry ones, I don't fight them, just let them soak a couple days, back to slush. But generally, I just wipe them out with a wet paper towel and re-pour. The PC takes care of the nasties.
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The Abhorrent Chef said: Ahh! Doesn’t your agar get clumpy, cocaine? I always boil (not true boil) however much water I’m gonna use (a lil extra for the steam etc) then dissolve my malt extract in the water by itself, add food coloring if I’m gonna, then add agar in 2-3 different dumps, stirring and dissolving between.
It seems like if you just mixed all ingredients together in the bottle and shook that you’d have agar globs trapping possibly dry malt. Does it all just melt together evenly during the PC? I know it’s getting super hot in there but I like to see smoothness before going in
As long as you get it hot enough to break up the clumps and don't let it harden I don't have much issue. When the temp drops it does solidify.
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