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OfflineOmmyto
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Lactarius indigo culture
    #26616976 - 04/21/20 07:21 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hi everyone!
How are you?
I came here in need of help and advice (might not be the correct forum category).
I'm currently looking for some cultivation information on the lactarius indigo.
My mom work with wool (from carding, spinning, weaving and dyeing) and I wanted to gift her with some home grown lactarius indigo for her to dye with.
But I face two major problems: I can't find any pertinent information on how to grow them (substrate, temperature, humidity...) and I struggle to find a worthy seller of spawn or spore...
Did any of you tried growing those?

Cordially,

Ommyto


(Ps: sorry if I made spelling error I'm French and English isn't my primer language ^^)


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Re: Lactarius indigo culture [Re: Ommyto]
    #26617091 - 04/21/20 08:36 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You can't find information because it is a symbiotic specie.
You can't cultivate it due to the need of trees unless you own a forest or a plot where you can plant some trees...


Edited by bogdancev (04/21/20 08:37 AM)


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Re: Lactarius indigo culture [Re: bogdancev]
    #26618139 - 04/21/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Correct me if I’m wrong, but besides being near impossible to “cultivate”, L. indigo also isn’t suitable as a dye. Doesn’t it turn brown when cooking?

Maybe buy some (they sell them in France, no?) & see if you can get the color to stick.


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Re: Lactarius indigo culture [Re: dizzy_simmons]
    #26618454 - 04/21/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Well actually we use it fresh as a dye by using a mordant (can't remember if she use an alkaline or an acid) to fix the color to the fabric which give a light to medium blue (based on concentration).

I can easily grow any type of tree, but I lack specific information on which species I should opt for and information on how to properly grow...


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Re: Lactarius indigo culture [Re: Ommyto]
    #26619057 - 04/22/20 12:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I can easily grow any type of tree



How can you easily grow a tree or trees? These are almost like live-time projects.

Wiki article gives this description:
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Under controlled laboratory conditions, L. indigo was shown to be able to form ectomycorrhizal associations with the neotropical pine species Mexican white pine, Hartweg's pine, Mexican yellow pine, smooth-bark Mexican pine,[31] and the Eurasian pines Aleppo pine, European black pine, maritime pine, and Scots pine.




And reference to "Diaz G, Flores R, Honrubia M (2007). "Lactarius indigo and L. deliciosus form mycorrhizae with Eurasian or Neotropical Pinus species". Sydowia. 59 (1): 32–45."

Read the whole article.


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Re: Lactarius indigo culture [Re: Ommyto]
    #26619834 - 04/22/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

WOW! You're right, Mycopigments are a thing. Very cool.

Do you forage them yourself? If you buy them, ask your vendor what kind of trees they find them on. Then if you can get some seedlings you can try inoculating them the Frank Herbert way by pouring spore slurry onto young tree roots.

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"Frank Herbert, the well-known author of the Dune books, told me his technique for using spores. When I met him in the early 1980s, Frank enjoyed collecting mushrooms on his property near Port Townsend, Washington. An avid mushroom collector, he felt that throwing his less-than-perfct wild chanterelles into the garbage or compost didn’t make sense. Instead, he would put a few weathered chanterelles in a 5-gallon bucket of water, add some salt, and then, after 1 or 2 clavs, pour this spore-mass slurry on the ground at the base of newly planted firs. When he told me chanterelles were glowing from trees not even 10 years old, I couldn’t believe it. No one had previously reported chanterelles arising near such young trees, nor had anyone reported them growing as a result of using this method.” Of course, it did work for Frank, who was simply following nature’s lead.

Frank’s discovery has now been confirmed in the mushroom industry. It is now known that it’s possible to grow many mushrooms using spore slurries from elder mushrooms. Many variables come into play, but in a sense this method is just a variation of what happens when it rains. Water dilutes spores from mushrooms and carries them to new environments. Our responsibility is to make that path easier. Such is the way of nature."

-Paul Stamets (Mycelium Running)




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