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OfflineDivided_Sky
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Are drugs really mind expanding, or just altering?
    #2661576 - 05/11/04 02:10 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

From my experiences with mescaline, and a low dose of mushrooms, I feel that these psychadelics only change one's consciousness and refocus it, but don't really expand it. In regards to weed, it is the one drug I have used that makes my consciousness feel more vivid and bigger, but it also makes my thoughts realy stupid.
I'm wondering if higher amounts of mushrooms, or LSD would create more of a 'mind expanding' effect. Perhaps it is just the mind that is using the drugs that decides this.


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Re: Are drugs really mind expanding, or just altering? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2661598 - 05/11/04 02:22 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I think ur looking at it all wrong when u describe what you think "mind expanding" really is.


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Re: Are drugs really mind expanding, or just altering? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2661648 - 05/11/04 02:52 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

the psychedelics will only take you as far as you let them... if you just take them and sit there staring at a wall expecting enlightenment youll be sadly mistaken .. psychedelics can be great mind expanding tools... but they're just that, a catalyst for mind expansion... YOU HAVE to take the initiative with them and feed your brain...... knowledge = mind expansion


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Re: Are drugs really mind expanding, or just altering? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2661709 - 05/11/04 03:22 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I can't answer that without being able to measure the mind.


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Re: Are drugs really mind expanding, or just altering? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2662727 - 05/11/04 12:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

One could say psychadelics are mind expanding in the sense that they cause one to perceive a less filtered reality.


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Re: Are drugs really mind expanding, or just altering? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2662911 - 05/11/04 01:38 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The best thing for "mind expanding" as you put it, is reading books and doing excercise, you cant use drugs to better yourself only enjoy yourself.


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Re: Are drugs really mind expanding, or just altering? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2662912 - 05/11/04 01:38 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Words will never do justice to the experience, so choosing between "altering" and "expanding" is almost a moot point...tripping does EVERYTHING to your brain, and how you change is up to what you take out of the experience entirely...in my opinion, at least.
A good friend of mine had his mind blown open on his one and only mushroom experience, and it didn't change him at all, it's just a crazy day he remembers having, and he was tripping his face off...so it really depends on the person...I dunno.


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Re: Are drugs really mind expanding, or just altering? [Re: Viveka]
    #2662933 - 05/11/04 01:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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EvilEye? said:
One could say psychadelics are mind expanding in the sense that they cause one to perceive a less filtered reality.




This would be among my main interpretations of the experience.  :thumbup: :thumbup:


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Re: Are drugs really mind expanding, or just altering? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2665189 - 05/11/04 10:01 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I've found my trips have me able to really detach from my ego and look at the world from a "zoomed out" more expanded view. Also, right when the peak hits, usually on target at 45 minutes after ingestion, I get a sensation that my brain is actually opening or widening. It's a feeling inside of my head and lasts throughout the trip, and I can tell when I'm really coming down when that feeling goes away.


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Re: Are drugs really mind expanding, or just altering? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2666246 - 05/12/04 01:44 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

to me, it seems as though psychedelics suppress the more conscious levels of thought, having you tap into the underworkings of your mind. At least as near as I can tell... if you consider that expansion, the experiencing of the deeper thoughts in your head, then yeah, just arguing semmantics really ....


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