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growing cubensis in Colombia with minimal supplies
#26615721 - 04/20/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hi, I'm living on a farm in southern Colombia and it's the season to forage wild cubes here π they're growing on cow patties in the fields. they're generally pretty small though and not that plentiful. I'd like to get some beds going near the house. I don't have access to many supplies or equipment. plenty of straw, myceliated pieces of cow manure. my plan is to cold water pasteurize some straw and do a small outdoor bed with layered pasteurized straw and fresh manure and crumbled myceliated manure, but I only have a little bit of mycelium to start with. will this work? advice or guidance please and thank you!
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Re: growing cubensis in Colombia with minimal supplies [Re: castanea]
#26615738 - 04/20/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Rad. I would start the bed very small and expand once you've established something. I imagine you can make use of those stem butts to expand a bit. I can't grow cubes outdoors in my climate, so I'm no expert. Love the idea though.
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Re: growing cubensis in Colombia with minimal supplies [Re: The Fresh Prints]
#26615747 - 04/20/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Save some fresh cultures. Then gather as much manure and lay it out on a tarp during a sunny day. You want to dry it out to break it up into a dusty mix. Then grow a small bed with you straw and dust. Plenty of water fresh dry straw or a tarp over the top for a couple of weeks and hope for the best,.
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Re: growing cubensis in Colombia with minimal supplies [Re: Sockadin]
#26615813 - 04/20/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you could just get your hands on some agar and a pressure cooker then you could make as many mushrooms as you ever wanted. I'm sure you could get a PC but can you get agar? It would probably be a little expensive but I'm sure you could find it online. You really don't need much. I'm assuming there are no Asian markets near you but they would sell it also.
If you get those two things, you can clone that mushroom you found onto the agar and use old glass jelly jars or something for your grains. Use pillow stuffing for a filter in your lids.
Technically you can even clone the mushroom directly onto grains without ever using agar, you just might lose a few more batches. Pressure cooker is key though
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Re: growing cubensis in Colombia with minimal supplies [Re: metaphoric]
#26615857 - 04/20/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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agar is impossible to get, at least right now in the current state of things... no mail order no Amazon out here (just the actual Amazon) π I do have a pressure cooker though. can't get rye or wheat berries. only white rice and popcorn at the moment. and Mason jars don't exist here... old instant coffee jars with plastic lids maybe? how would I attempt to directly inoculate grain with fresh mushroom spores?
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Re: growing cubensis in Colombia with minimal supplies [Re: Sockadin]
#26615864 - 04/20/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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a couple clarifications... are you saying to use as much manure as I have fresh culture? and you mean to dry the manure to dust, not the fresh culture, right?
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Re: growing cubensis in Colombia with minimal supplies [Re: castanea]
#26615914 - 04/20/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You can use any glass jar, doesn't need to be mason. Just drill a hole in the lid and stuff it with pillow stuffing. (Polyfil)
You can use any grain, birdseed might be easiest for you. You build a Still Air Box which can be as simple as a cardboard box with plastic wrap over the top so you can see in. Inside your SAB you tear open the stem of your mushroom and use a flame sterilized blade to remove a small piece of mushroom tissue and drop it into your sterilized grain jar. The most important thing is having your grain jar open in the SAB for just as little amount of time as possible, just a split second.
If you can get your hands on a needle (virtually all animal/farm supply store sells them, just try calling) you can try the poke biopsy method by Josex.
Once you've got grains inoculated you can just spawn them to outdoor grows with hay and manure. Plenty of teks on this site for how to do that.
Edit: after the clone fills the jar with myc, you g2g that jar into 10 more. Then use that for your outdoor grow
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Re: growing cubensis in Colombia with minimal supplies [Re: castanea]
#26616947 - 04/21/20 07:02 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah dry the manure to a dust. Then you can rig up a was to Pasteurize it with finely chopped hay.
Then make an outdoor bed. Add cultures from the field while they are fresh and hope for the best. Keep it covered and damp while the myclieum is colonizing your bed.
It can be done, but it will be way harder than it sounds like.
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Re: growing cubensis in Colombia with minimal supplies [Re: Sockadin]
#26616980 - 04/21/20 07:23 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You can also make some spore prints. You can make spore syringes with them than inoculate some popcorn jars. Move that spawn to a substrate of straw/manure mix and you have a complete grow cicle. Could also use the syringe to do a bottle tek. Wich is simple, low tek, and effective.
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Re: growing cubensis in Colombia with minimal supplies [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#26616986 - 04/21/20 07:25 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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i hope the cartel doesnt see this
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Re: growing cubensis in Colombia with minimal supplies [Re: PsilocyBen17] 1
#26617116 - 04/21/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I still say clone straight to grain, easiest and most effective method you're going to find in the situation you are in. An outdoor spore print is most likely not going to help you without agar to clean it up.
I've heard of people using gelatin instead of agar, you could try that. It's a little tougher because the myc eats into the gelatin instead of just sitting on top like with agar but as long as you're able to transfer a bit of clean growth away from any contams, it'll work.
Again though, just start by cloning to grain, then try all the other methods here, one of them will work. If you're determined enough you will grow mushrooms, you have everything you need
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Re: growing cubensis in Colombia with minimal supplies [Re: metaphoric]
#26617141 - 04/21/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wasn't talking about a print. I mean just dump the fresh mushrooms in the bed.
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Re: growing cubensis in Colombia with minimal supplies [Re: Sockadin]
#26617159 - 04/21/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thatβs awesome man. Idk anything about processing manure but once you get a big pile of good manure and straw it seems like breaking up one of those colonized cow pattyβs and spreading it around would work.
You can also grind rice into flour then add water and put a small layer of the paste in a jar and pc it. Works like agar.
You could also pc a jar of rice then get it colonized and spread that into your manure pile.
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Re: growing cubensis in Colombia with minimal supplies [Re: Sockadin]
#26617181 - 04/21/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: I wasn't talking about a print. I mean just dump the fresh mushrooms in the bed.
I was referring to Nos's post. I think your idea is the most viable if he wanted to keep the grow entirely outdoors.
Would blending mushrooms and using that to inoculate an outdoor patch work?
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Re: growing cubensis in Colombia with minimal supplies [Re: metaphoric]
#26617351 - 04/21/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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metaphoric said:
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Sockadin said: I wasn't talking about a print. I mean just dump the fresh mushrooms in the bed.
I was referring to Nos's post. I think your idea is the most viable if he wanted to keep the grow entirely outdoors.
Would blending mushrooms and using that to inoculate an outdoor patch work?
Yes there is a very old slurry Tek where you take a pf cake with fruits on it and blend the entire cake with fruit and pour that shit in a patch outside lmao.
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metaphoric said: I've heard of people using gelatin instead of agar, you could try that. It's a little tougher because the myc eats into the gelatin instead of just sitting on top like with agar but as long as you're able to transfer a bit of clean growth away from any contams, it'll work
I don't think gelatin will work.
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Re: growing cubensis in Colombia with minimal supplies [Re: gizmo1] 1
#26647408 - 05/04/20 03:38 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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What did you end up doing?
I was thinking maybe one of us could send you some agar in a regular envelope. You already have a pressure cooker, if you just had a tiny amount of agar, you could grow a truckload of mushrooms.
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