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What is more important to get a strong trip, genetics of shrooms or your body/mind?
#26611995 - 04/19/20 03:17 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey, does anyone else notice huge differences between MS potency of cubensis?
I keep different batches/flushes seperate dried and in jars and usually try 2g from each every week or couple weeks in between. Most of the time 2g is pretty good for some exloring/walking around in nature my vision, sound, touch, turn to high definition all senses are heightened and very acute... Everything becomes so interesting feel like I'm in a different world ready to be discovered for the first time.
Sometimes 2g is strong vision is fully distorted everything is moving and warping/shifting about, I can see the big tree trunks coming out of the ground but the branches/canopys are just a big moving mess of tree parts no longer able to see induvidual branches.. If I'm walking up a path and see other people they look like there shifting around on the path and sliding side to side and I worry how I'm going to get past them without bumping into them or falling over myself.. They Probally look at me staring at them sometimes they make noises Probally saying good day or something but it just sounds like a noise any other animal would make so I don't reply just try to brush past them fast.
Ive read the strongest recorded cubensis was 11x stronger than the weakest, what is more impactful to trip hard.. Genetically potent shrooms or your body/stomach/mind and setting on that specific day?
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Re: What is more important to get a strong trip, genetics of shrooms or your body/mind? [Re: Kmacmo]
#26612064 - 04/19/20 04:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kmacmo said: Hey, does anyone else notice huge differences between MS potency of cubensis?
Nope. No one has ever noticed potency differences from multispore grows before.
I think you might be on to something... 
but, you should still wait for a second opinion. And maybe, in the meantime, you could use the search engine and see if anyone else besides you has wondered these same things.
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Re: What is more important to get a strong trip, genetics of shrooms or your body/mind? [Re: Shr00mEater]
#26612088 - 04/19/20 05:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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To answer your question: no shrooms, no trip, so the mushrooms are the most important ingredient. If you take a good dose of potent mushrooms you will trip regardless of your set or biology.
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Re: What is more important to get a strong trip, genetics of shrooms or your body/mind? [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26612417 - 04/19/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the input, what you say makes sense
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Re: What is more important to get a strong trip, genetics of shrooms or your body/mind? [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26612458 - 04/19/20 08:59 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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InnerWisdom said: To answer your question: no shrooms, no trip, so the mushrooms are the most important ingredient. If you take a good dose of potent mushrooms you will trip regardless of your set or biology.
In a sense this.
To answer your question OP, both are important. A good set/setting can’t make a gram of weak mushrooms as “powerful” as 5g of strong mushrooms in a bad set/setting BUT a good set/setting can make it more meaningful. Tripping hard isn’t always a recipe for profound positive changes and there are many stories of horrid trips due to terrible set/setting.
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Re: What is more important to get a strong trip, genetics of shrooms or your body/mind? [Re: Socrateshroom]
#26612483 - 04/19/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Personally I have to disagree with "take them and you'll trip" out of my decent amount pf trips since last April I have noticed 100% my state of mind will have an effect over a trip. It was almost 4 months before I went to another place completely and that day was a day my mood and everything was through the roof. Imo the substance is gonna do what it does but how were vibrating or whatever you wanna call, maybe its serotonin levels at the time I'm not sure, but it will definitely have much determination on how it goes. Just my 2 cents.
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Re: What is more important to get a strong trip, genetics of shrooms or your body/mind? [Re: MellowPanda]
#26612664 - 04/19/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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MellowPanda said: Personally I have to disagree with "take them and you'll trip" out of my decent amount pf trips since last April I have noticed 100% my state of mind will have an effect over a trip. It was almost 4 months before I went to another place completely and that day was a day my mood and everything was through the roof. Imo the substance is gonna do what it does but how were vibrating or whatever you wanna call, maybe its serotonin levels at the time I'm not sure, but it will definitely have much determination on how it goes. Just my 2 cents.
There is still a chemical component to trips, even if set and setting carry great significance.
I doubt you can take 5g of, at minimum, average potency cubes, without having current tolerance, and not “trip” or, at least, feel something.
I agree on the importance of set and setting. I’ve had trips of 2g feel like nothing and 2g have significant effect. (This could be because they were MS and thus genetically variable in psychoactive compounds). However, I’ve never taken 3g or more and felt nothing. Sometimes it wasn’t pleasant or as intense as I’d expect, but I for sure felt the effects.
I don’t have scientific evidence of my claims, just anecdotal experience.
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Re: What is more important to get a strong trip, genetics of shrooms or your body/mind? [Re: Socrateshroom]
#26612686 - 04/19/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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MellowPanda said: Personally I have to disagree with "take them and you'll trip" out of my decent amount pf trips since last April I have noticed 100% my state of mind will have an effect over a trip. It was almost 4 months before I went to another place completely and that day was a day my mood and everything was through the roof. Imo the substance is gonna do what it does but how were vibrating or whatever you wanna call, maybe its serotonin levels at the time I'm not sure, but it will definitely have much determination on how it goes. Just my 2 cents.
There is still a chemical component to trips, even if set and setting carry great significance.
I doubt you can take 5g of, at minimum, average potency cubes, without having current tolerance, and not “trip” or, at least, feel something.
I agree on the importance of set and setting. I’ve had trips of 2g feel like nothing and 2g have significant effect. (This could be because they were MS and thus genetically variable in psychoactive compounds). However, I’ve never taken 3g or more and felt nothing. Sometimes it wasn’t pleasant or as intense as I’d expect, but I for sure felt the effects.
I don’t have scientific evidence of my claims, just anecdotal experience.
Oh For sure you'll still get physical effects from the substance no matter what. I guess how I'm defining a "trip" was a little different. I was referring more to the mental state/visuals aspect.
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Re: What is more important to get a strong trip, genetics of shrooms or your body/mind? [Re: MellowPanda]
#26612863 - 04/19/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Agreed.
There is a significant difference between identical doses of identical potency when taking into account different set/setting.
The variability seems diminished in the very high doses. I’ve read many reports of people taking 7+ grams in somewhat bad set/setting and still inducing a profound mystical experience (proving imo that dose does matter, at least in the higher ranges)
It seems to me from my own personal experience that between 0 and 4g, set and setting does, indeed, play the most crucial role. Although I have no experience beyond 4g, my research leads me to believe that above that dosage, dose becomes more significant than set/setting (not by much and set/setting still matters at any dosage).
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Re: What is more important to get a strong trip, genetics of shrooms or your body/mind? [Re: Socrateshroom]
#26612931 - 04/19/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Socrateshroom said: To answer your question OP, both are important. A good set/setting can’t make a gram of weak mushrooms as “powerful” as 5g of strong mushrooms in a bad set/setting BUT a good set/setting can make it more meaningful. Tripping hard isn’t always a recipe for profound positive changes and there are many stories of horrid trips due to terrible set/setting.
By set do you mean only having a empty stomach? Wouldnt your metabolism be a bigger factor than simply your mood or location? Trying to avoid taking too much in public its intense when it just keeps getting stronger and feel like I've taken 3 times as much as usual.
Get what you guys mean anything under 3g has a chance to do absolutely nothing had it happen multiple times.
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Re: What is more important to get a strong trip, genetics of shrooms or your body/mind? [Re: Kmacmo]
#26612941 - 04/19/20 12:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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When you go to work, are you ready, able..are you set?
If you plan to go climb Everest on December 10th, and it’s October 3rd, are you getting ready...are you set? Set to go for when the time comes, if it came early, say tmrw, would you be set? Prepared internally-mentally-psychologically-physically-etc for the known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns ?
Same thing as being “set” for ingesting psychedelics and being set for the experience.
Mmm
Edited by The Blind Ass (04/19/20 12:39 PM)
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Re: What is more important to get a strong trip, genetics of shrooms or your body/mind? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26615248 - 04/20/20 12:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think my set/setting is always good, only take shrooms when I feel ready and always a good naturally beautiful setting (sun, forests, beaches, lakes, hill walks) or at home.
Shouldn't it take affect even if your not prepared and ready though?
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Re: What is more important to get a strong trip, genetics of shrooms or your body/mind? [Re: Kmacmo]
#26615276 - 04/20/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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By that do you mean will the shrooms take effect regardless of ones set and setting?
If that, then yes. But to be ready, able, and all around prepared and primed is good practice in case you end up having to tough out a whole trip worth of difficult experience or even a bad trip.
Ex. Taking a large dose while on a commercial red eye flight across the world with no one on board that can speak your language and your tired from traveling etc would be a good example of a potential disaster for many reasons. So better to prepare or train or whatever you wanna call it and carefully select your setting and get your set and all it’s ducks in order, get right in your head and life As much as you can be. Sorta like making your peace before going off to war or something, knowing that you might never come back- or might come back not the same and who knows what you’ll see or do or feel or experience. So yeah.
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Re: What is more important to get a strong trip, genetics of shrooms or your body/mind? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26615404 - 04/20/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, that. Luckly I've only had 1 bad trip and it wasn't that bad just a deep feeling of worthlessness coupled with not being able to focus.
I see what you mean could be disaster, I like what you say going into battle where one may never return.. Going to try it should give me some drive and purpose. Purpose is good Its nice to be briefed on the mission plan.
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Re: What is more important to get a strong trip, genetics of shrooms or your body/mind? [Re: Kmacmo]
#26618808 - 04/21/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kmacmo said: I think my set/setting is always good, only take shrooms when I feel ready and always a good naturally beautiful setting (sun, forests, beaches, lakes, hill walks) or at home.
Shouldn't it take affect even if your not prepared and ready though?
Yeah sure they will take effect regardless of your preparation. At high doses set and setting generally go straight out the window as well, but it never hurts to try to prepare. 
Case in point I'm looking at a small dose of PE this evening sometime. I've established the baseline doses for what I've grown and got stored as tea (about a kg fresh weight in total). It still makes me nervous even though I've been down this road many times before. But at some point you just have to say "Fuck it, it's time and I'm going there."
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Re: What is more important to get a strong trip, genetics of shrooms or your body/mind? [Re: Kmacmo]
#26619008 - 04/21/20 11:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kmacmo said: Yes, that. Luckly I've only had 1 bad trip and it wasn't that bad just a deep feeling of worthlessness coupled with not being able to focus.
I see what you mean could be disaster, I like what you say going into battle where one may never return.. Going to try it should give me some drive and purpose. Purpose is good Its nice to be briefed on the mission plan.
Believe it or not, those are some of the most terrible trips they are at the time.. but BUILD SO MUCH CHARACTER after the trip has finished. I always think I'm going to be stuck thinking about myself negatively and the mushrooms make me feel like I'll never think the same about myself..
But when it's over, it's the complete opposite. Mushrooms are one hell of a ride.
PS: Potency is a real thing. I've had 2g blow my socks off and an 8th just tickle my chin. USUALLY, if everything is 'standard' potency - an 4/4.5g really is my ideal headspace.
Edited by Vibe_Enthusiast (04/21/20 11:40 PM)
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