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When do people become a 'liar'
    #26614808 - 04/20/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

So i've been thinking about the term liar after reviewing a conversation lately. It got me thinking, when does a person become a liar? How many lies does a person need to tell? What if it was a white lie such as Santa's going to bring children a shit load of toys on the 25th of December? Are there any black lies? #blackliesmatter. What about lies?

To me there seems like there's so many opportunities to lie under so many different circumstances. Under these circumstances you are someone that told a lie.

To be called a liar on the other hand is a whole different ballpark That's an abrasive allegation. Where is the tripping point? Lets face it, we all lie to some to some degree, so when does a person stop 'lying to some degree' and become a liar?


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: Magenta]
    #26614822 - 04/20/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Depends if it’s used as an adjective, verb, or even noun in some ways.  All people lie necessarily, but not all people are “boy who cried wolf” liars.

The liar lied about telling a lie while lying down.

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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26614834 - 04/20/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

What if someone cried wolf once in their entire life. Are they forever branded a liar?


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: Magenta]
    #26614835 - 04/20/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don’t think so.  For that event they were, but if that’s not their norm, or if they haven’t conditioned themselves to casually or mostly lie, then no.

If they have, then yes.  But it’s more nuanced than that you dig.

Parents lie to their children out of necessity for much of their development for their own good.  It’s a skillful means type of deal in that situation.

Some highschooler that the majority of what comes out of his or her mouth is a lie, can be a liar


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26614838 - 04/20/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Children start lying as early as 3-4 years old. We're all liars, it's just to what degree. 

To become an official "liar", one has to continuously get caught lying by many different people. In other words, they have to suck at lying.


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: qman]
    #26614858 - 04/20/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

So in other words, the definition of a liar is 'one that doesn't tell the truth'. but it should be changed to 'one that doesn't tell the truth in a believable fashion'. This brings up a whole different issue, what shout the "good liars" be called to differentate them from the prior 'liars'? Should we make a name for the benefit of the English language? Or should we exclude it so that the bad 'liars' remain easy to catch out so that we may continue to better society excluding them?


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: Magenta] * 1
    #26614870 - 04/20/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe one that deceives uneccesarily and often. But that doesn’t hold in all situations, neither do so many other claims about it.

I really don’t know, I have a sense of it though.  I would Apply the Socratic method to your query and see where it goes!

Distill the untruth out of it until your left with an elixir  of truth :bigyesnod:


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26614935 - 04/20/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Are you implying anal canal? I see lots of edited posts and can't help but to wonder..:awejeez:


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: Magenta]
    #26614947 - 04/20/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:waitwtf:  ?  Explain :rofl:


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26614956 - 04/20/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hmm, perhaps i'm jumping to conclusions again. Can you explain 'Socratic method' in more detail please. I don't have the luxury of being particularly well educated.


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: Magenta]
    #26614963 - 04/20/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The Socratic method (also known as method of Elenchus, elenctic method, or Socratic debate), is a form of cooperative argumentative dialogue between individuals, based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to draw out ideas and underlying presuppositions.

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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26614965 - 04/20/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It’s to live and to die for.


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26614983 - 04/20/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I couldn't have rephrased the anus of Trent any better. What's the problem here?


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: Magenta]
    #26614991 - 04/20/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I just googled it.

Now I see...

      :sonofawebitch:



... :rofl:


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26615008 - 04/20/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

A PSA by the Rollins Band:



The song might seem over the top unless you fell prey to the personality type.


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26615014 - 04/20/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You've made a mockery of my thread! Just once i'd like to participate in the Pub without some ass bringing up the past or some irrelevant event. This is why i almost never post here and when i do i'm perceived as a hostile persona. It's a bullshit to be blatant. I just wanna luv but the god damn mother fuckers won't let me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: Magenta]
    #26615026 - 04/20/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I simply can not lie.


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #26615027 - 04/20/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I simply can not lie.





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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: Amanita86]
    #26615036 - 04/20/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

So you know what a liar is?


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: Magenta]
    #26615038 - 04/20/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I know what I class as a liar.


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #26615059 - 04/20/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

A liar is someone who by reasonable measure is defined by their lying.

Its more like being a racist than like being a rapist.

With a racist there should be a pattern or a blatant act, while for a rapist just once will do.


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: Asante]
    #26615072 - 04/20/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, there’s a scale to it..


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: Magenta]
    #26615082 - 04/20/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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So i've been thinking about the term liar after reviewing a conversation lately. It got me thinking, when does a person become a liar? How many lies does a person need to tell? What if it was a white lie such as Santa's going to bring children a shit load of toys on the 25th of December? Are there any black lies? #blackliesmatter. What about lies?

To me there seems like there's so many opportunities to lie under so many different circumstances. Under these circumstances you are someone that told a lie.

To be called a liar on the other hand is a whole different ballpark That's an abrasive allegation. Where is the tripping point? Lets face it, we all lie to some to some degree, so when does a person stop 'lying to some degree' and become a liar?




Think the question is "when do I start losing trust in this person's word and how much lost trust do I associate with the word liar"?


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26615129 - 04/20/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:no:


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: Magenta]
    #26615595 - 04/20/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:okay:


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26615632 - 04/20/20 03:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Everyone's a liar always, ever since their first lie. That designation will stick with them forever. It's better to ask whether someone is trustworthy or not than if they are a liar.


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
    #26615637 - 04/20/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

So when you say you need to take a shower, but you really just want to rub one out...?

And so on and so forth.

Are you 100% honest with law enforcement?

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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: PatrickKn] * 2
    #26615639 - 04/20/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Liar :crankey:


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26615643 - 04/20/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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So when you say you need to take a shower, but you really just want to rub one out...?

And so on and so forth.

Are you 100% honest with law enforcement?

See see now.



A liar is not someone who lies all the time. They are someone who has lied.

Same with thieves, murderers and rapists. But unlike scoundrels, ruffians and delinquents who may change with time.


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26615749 - 04/20/20 04:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

The Blind Ass said:
So when you say you need to take a shower, but you really just want to rub one out...?

And so on and so forth.

Are you 100% honest with law enforcement?

See see now.



A liar is not someone who lies all the time. They are someone who has lied.

Same with thieves, murderers and rapists. But unlike scoundrels, ruffians and delinquents who may change with time.



What about hoodlums? :awehigh:


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26615780 - 04/20/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Once a hoodlum always a hoodlum.


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26615798 - 04/20/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That's right :salute:


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: Magenta] * 1
    #26615979 - 04/20/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I think calling someone a liar generally means they're lying right now about a specific thing. Like if someone says something and later you're like "that guy's a liar" you probably mean about that particular thing. Like if you say that you don't enjoy the anus of trent and someone replies with "that guy's a fucking liar" they're referring specifically to your enjoyment of trent anus.

But then again some people lie all the time about everything, and then you might call that person a liar and mean it more broadly. Like if you're constantly claiming that you hate trent anus but you regularly enjoy the anus of trent then trent calling you a liar might be accurate in a broader sense.


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #26616135 - 04/20/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Has there ever been a human being in history that had a full life and made it through the entire thing without telling a single lie? Even a white lie?


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #26616141 - 04/20/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Jesus did it.


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: Magenta] * 2
    #26616146 - 04/20/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I’d say a liar is someone engaging in constant verbal or text-based dishonesty.


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: Amanita86]
    #26616159 - 04/20/20 07:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Jesus did it.




So before Jesus and Mary Magdalene would go out on the town, and Mary would turn to Jesus and ask him before they left Jesus' condo, "do I look fat in this?", you don't think even Jesus would tell a little white lie if he had to?


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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #26616168 - 04/20/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

He knew how to tactfully compliment her thiccness..  Jesus had mad game yo.


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    #26616174 - 04/20/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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He knew how to tactfully compliment her thiccness..  Jesus had mad game yo.




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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: Niffla]
    #26616219 - 04/20/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Jesus told a bunch of his best buds that he wasn't going to a Jewish party, and then he snuck in when nobody was looking.

(John 7:8) -"Go up to the feast yourselves; I do not go up to this feast because My time has not yet fully come."
(John 7:10) - "But when His brothers had gone up to the feast, then He Himself also went up, not publicly, but as it were, in secret."


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    #26616241 - 04/20/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Jesus told a bunch of his best buds that he wasn't going to a Jewish party, and then he snuck in when nobody was looking.

(John 7:8) -"Go up to the feast yourselves; I do not go up to this feast because My time has not yet fully come."
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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #26616277 - 04/20/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

My man duckin’ them door fees..:baaaam:


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    #26616278 - 04/20/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: When do people become a 'liar' [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26616323 - 04/20/20 08:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Jesus told a bunch of his best buds that he wasn't going to a Jewish party, and then he snuck in when nobody was looking.

(John 7:8) -"Go up to the feast yourselves; I do not go up to this feast because My time has not yet fully come."
(John 7:10) - "But when His brothers had gone up to the feast, then He Himself also went up, not publicly, but as it were, in secret."



That's not lying. That is changing ones mind lol


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