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Returning Grower: Time for the real deal, agar time.
    #26609440 - 04/18/20 01:58 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hey Shroomery family, im back for cornona time. Gotta have something to do to keep me sane, soooo i ordered about $500 in equipment to start doing this shit for real.  Last time i grew i did what i heard refered to as “throw some shit in a garbage bin to a trich finish, anyone can do that.”  I’d quote if I remember who said it but I don’t. Anyway...

I just wanted to make a semi in depth post about what I’ve been gathering surfing forms (with the search post function omg its amazing) and grabbing equipment and see if the path im on is a righteous one. I’m not doing this wrong... again, and im not just some guy who wants drugs i find this quite enjoyable and really didnt even do many of my last go around, damn shame.

As i said last time i had a few tubs to trich finish and was told to learn agar, so i went on a deep dive turns out Agars pretty damn easy]

Some if the stuff i ordered:
-A real PC instead of the insta pot i stole from my mother (All American 915 Canner Pressure Cooker, 15.5 qt, Silver specifically does anyone know if i fucked up here? Its got the dial and looks pleasing, anythings better than the instapot 11.5 psi or some trash like that)
-Glad mini rounds for Pasty’s agar tek
-9 bricks coir, verm, and gypsum substitute plaster of paris i have lying around
-buncha ball jars and spores and rye berries (25lb) the obvious stuff totes etc.
And a ton of other little stuff from shroomsupply to do agar with like slants tubes, blades, (do i realllly need an inoculation loop?), tyvek sleeves, micropore tape, silicone for SHIP’s, agar obviously
-a 100W 6500k light since i didnt even bother doing real lighting last time and ive since learned can be a useful tool. Thanks bod i wont leave it to the sun and heat up my sub encouraging contams, jesus i didnt know what i was doing.
I already have a SAB my moms using for her chickens right now ill have to reclaim that and clean it.
The only thing i dont have is some damn potato flakes (from pastys tek) since the corona the stores are iffy, can anyone list some other replacements or i can just search something other than PDA

I can’t wait for all this to show up and i can get started! I went completely overkill and got 3 syringes ApeR (Albino Penis Envy Reverted, Red Boys, and Mazatapecs... i think). Should keep me entertained on agar for a whirl, and im sure gunna need more than 24 pasty glad plates.

I wanted to get this right now that ive been deep diving... agar is nuts, i can make ONE dish isolate that into 8 other dishes and so on then transfer onto grain. That’s awesome but then u can take the grain and g2g like 10 jars from one plate and so on like jesus. What am i going to do with myself?! Im so excited lol.

questions: 1.) Is that pressure cooker going to cut it?
2.) How crucial is it i spend the extra $10 for an inoculation loop.. fucking shipping i forgot it!)
3.) Am i going to need more than 1 bulb if im doing more than one 54q tub?
4.) Replacement for potato flakes for Potato Dextrose Agar PDA recipe (I can look that up)
5.) Anyone have experience growing any of the strains i picked? I'd like to chat.
6.) Tell me my why my little kid at heart is* going crazy about this agar efficiency and awesomeness? Should started with agar...

TLDR; i bought some shit, well a lot of shit. am i doing it right now?

Thanks for reading i hope everyones well in this time.  And anyone that takes the time to respond �� You’re all awesome on here, will write up again soon when i get going.
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I grabbed more stuff on amazon as well, jars pc etc


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Re: Returning Grower: Time for the real deal, agar time. [Re: Ababyphoenix]
    #26609486 - 04/18/20 02:52 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Ababyphoenix said:
questions: 1.) Is that pressure cooker going to cut it?
2.) How crucial is it i spend the extra $10 for an inoculation loop.. fucking shipping i forgot it!)
3.) Am i going to need more than 1 bulb if im doing more than one 54q tub?
4.) Replacement for potato flakes for Potato Dextrose Agar PDA recipe (I can look that up)
5.) Anyone have experience growing any of the strains i picked? I'd like to chat.
6.) Tell me my why my little kid at heart isnt going crazy about this agar efficiency and awesomeness?





1: don't know that one, but what I can say is that I have a different pc than what most people on here have, presto etc are not available where I am. It works! I don't have a pressure meter on mine so don't know the exact psi, so I just pc stuff for a bit longer than recommended, works for me.
2: haven't tried either myself yet, but I've been told you can pc q tips and then use that to streak the plates or swab spores to your plates.
3: dunno, haven't upped my lights yet, I just go with indirect daylight from a window.
4: loads of different nuts can be used. LME, honey etc. I use the water I boil my grains in diluted 50:50 w tap water.
5: don't know any of those strains, sorry!
6: huh?


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Re: Returning Grower: Time for the real deal, agar time. [Re: PMBastian]
    #26609493 - 04/18/20 03:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Good pointer on the swabs! Ill have to try that once i get prints going again. I'm guessing my PC will be more than fine i really hope
I went with ID sunlight for my first times around just wanted a little extra touch this time.

Nuts in place of the potato flakes huh? I guess i could just grind them up, you just need them for starch wit hte Karo/Honey im guesssing .


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Re: Returning Grower: Time for the real deal, agar time. [Re: PMBastian] * 1
    #26609494 - 04/18/20 03:02 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Any PC should be fine

You dont need a loop, scalpel and blades for agar though

One light should be pretty good for a decent size area. It goes a long way

Be fun working with some different strains

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Re: Returning Grower: Time for the real deal, agar time. [Re: Enkidu]
    #26609510 - 04/18/20 03:17 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the tek, is the stuff i got agar mixed with malt extract? wtf

It's funny you're responding here i copy and pasted your signature "Within You , Without You" and your picture of hyperspace and sent it in discord. <3


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Re: Returning Grower: Time for the real deal, agar time. [Re: Enkidu] * 1
    #26609512 - 04/18/20 03:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hey man, fellow Shroomerite who also got back into the hobby because of coronamania.

Answering your questions best I can:

1. As long as it can get up to 15psi it should work. Only real drawback is it won't hold as many jars as the 23qt Presto you see mentioned often here.
2. The loop is recommended, but strictly speaking, not mandatory for the time being. You can go without by just putting a drop of spore solution on each plate and rolling it around. Alternatively, make your own loop using wire for vapes (or even a small paper clip) and attaching it to a handle.
3. Admittedly I'm not too sure since I don't know your grow area and haven't experimented a lot with it myself. Probably best off following the others' advice on that.
4. Looking at the picture you posted, you picked up Malt Extract Agar (MEA). It already contains nutrients, therefore PDA is not needed unless you want to experiment with different types of agar.
5. Any "strain" (actually variant) of cubensis will have as much variety as another when growing from multispore, to the point where overall differences are minimal. Exception to this would be Penis Envy variants, which spur from a mutation and may grow a bit differently.
6. Who knows? Maybe you have to get started. My first real rush while starting to grow happened around the time I inoculated. It was all down up from there :deathrush:

I wish you good luck and fun times with the fungi!


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Re: Returning Grower: Time for the real deal, agar time. [Re: MethodicalMystical]
    #26609522 - 04/18/20 03:27 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Oh cool MEA so i can just mix with water and some food coloring and run off with that then huh? Sweet. Thanks for the tips, I'll just pc more than other without the 23q presto.
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Re: Returning Grower: Time for the real deal, agar time. [Re: Ababyphoenix]
    #26609659 - 04/18/20 06:02 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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It's funny you're responding here i copy and pasted your signature "Within You , Without You" and your picture of hyperspace and sent it in discord. <3




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Re: Returning Grower: Time for the real deal, agar time. [Re: Ababyphoenix] * 1
    #26613014 - 04/19/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Nuts in place of the potato flakes huh? I guess i could just grind them up, you just need them for starch wit hte Karo/Honey im guesssing .




LOL, autocorrect, meant nutes (as in nutrients)!


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Re: Returning Grower: Time for the real deal, agar time. [Re: PMBastian]
    #26613061 - 04/19/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You can do 7 qrt jars in an AA915.
LME agar is way better in my opinion than PDA. You can even use dogfood agar.

You don't need as any items as most Tek lead you to believe.

What grains are you using?
What do you lids look like? I use 1/4 inch hole with Micropore tape.
A clean SAB with soap goes along way.
I know pasty plates are cool, but a media bottle and 100 plastic petri will work good too.


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Re: Returning Grower: Time for the real deal, agar time. [Re: Sockadin]
    #26613093 - 04/19/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Haven’t got a lid tek yet, when i went the first time just used a nail and micropore tape for my jars. Was thinking of doing SHIP’s this time when im not doing agar wedge tramsfers and g2g. Not fimiliar with silicone ports so im not sure exactly how they work out, but i got the silicone. Just curious if it heals itself there’s no gas exchange? I guess you’d need a micropore tape as well

Im going to be using Rye Berries, i got the 25lb bag there on the list. 7q jars at a time doesnt sound bad, 1 monotubs worth of jars at a time.

Also I considered petri dishes as well, i might adventure into pour plates instead of no pour as i hear its so fucking easy middle school shit, but for now the no pour pasty plates seem acceptable to start agar on. I might upgrade to petris but i was made aware thqt u have to wrap petris and shit and i already bought so many things, not having to buy parafilm petris and a flask to pc my agar solution in was the move, thanks pasty. Hopefully the glad minis will serve me well for the time being.

Quick, stupid, pretty godamn nooby question. Do u measure ratio of spawn to sub by wet or dry sub weight? Or is it fucking volume jesus. Im getting mixed signals from the search! 😂


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Re: Returning Grower: Time for the real deal, agar time. [Re: Ababyphoenix] * 1
    #26613234 - 04/19/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You can use syran wrap or cling wrap and skip the para.

Also pasty plates are nice for tiger drops but hard to see through.

I have moved to shoeboxes be ause you can run a lot more cultures in different stages and 1 box is more than enough shrooms when your pulling 250-350 wet grams.


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Re: Returning Grower: Time for the real deal, agar time. [Re: Sockadin]
    #26613413 - 04/19/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You using coir?

I use 1 brick to 7 or 8 qt jars of grain


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Re: Returning Grower: Time for the real deal, agar time. [Re: Enkidu]
    #26613548 - 04/19/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yep coir verm gyp. MY bricks are only 500g though so reduce that to like 5-6 q?


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    #26613602 - 04/19/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I've been using 4-5 quarts spawn for a 650g brick + verm


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Re: Returning Grower: Time for the real deal, agar time. [Re: Enkidu]
    #26613624 - 04/19/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Any PC should be fine

You dont need a loop, scalpel and blades for agar though

One light should be pretty good for a decent size area. It goes a long way

Be fun working with some different strains

Agar i use this tek https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23890579




Yes you need a loop, scalpel, and blades to work with agar. Without those tools I had difficulty slicing out cuts for transfers, dropped cuts, and without the loop I wasn't able to place spore in the proper fashion which lead to contamination and wasted effort. Proper equipment is a must.

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Re: Returning Grower: Time for the real deal, agar time. [Re: mushhead]
    #26613647 - 04/19/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I've never used a loop. Only sterile swabs, they work just fine


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Re: Returning Grower: Time for the real deal, agar time. [Re: mushhead]
    #26613836 - 04/19/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

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Any PC should be fine

You dont need a loop, scalpel and blades for agar though

One light should be pretty good for a decent size area. It goes a long way

Be fun working with some different strains

Agar i use this tek https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23890579




Yes you need a loop, scalpel, and blades to work with agar. Without those tools I had difficulty slicing out cuts for transfers, dropped cuts, and without the loop I wasn't able to place spore in the proper fashion which lead to contamination and wasted effort. Proper equipment is a must.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26279439
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26604440




They wrote that weird. I think what they meant was No you dont need a loop but you do need scalpel and glades for agar. If not that's what i got.

Either buying pre sterile swabs or making a bunch in the bc is probaby what ill do. Or just make my own innoc loop and get somewhat craft? Why not!


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Re: Returning Grower: Time for the real deal, agar time. [Re: Ababyphoenix] * 1
    #26614631 - 04/20/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah i never use a loop but i do use a scalpel and blades. I did write that shitty.

Yeah, maybe use more than a brick for all the jars if its 500. I think the ones i get are 650g


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Re: Returning Grower: Time for the real deal, agar time. [Re: Enkidu]
    #26614758 - 04/20/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I made my own loop, twisted vape coil wire around a thin drill bit then secure it inside an Xacto knife handle. Works great. But you can also just use your scalpel blade. Sterilize it, let it cool a bit in SAB, rub it on a little area of spore print then slice into the middle of your plate. There will be enough spores there.


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